Dear Strathclyde Safety Camera Partnership,
I would like to request a FOI disclosure which is basically to understand the annual money payments to Serco and Gatso for the calibration and maintenance of cameras, staff training, and how the speed is calculated as part of the secondary check.
Q1. How many fixed post Gatso (FPG) and Gatso Red Light(GRL) cameras were in use, on an annual basis, by your partnership in the past three financial years?
Q2.For these cameras, for the past three financial years, what were the total cost amounts paid(TCAP) for the annual calibration of these cameras, identifying the TCAP to intermediate agents such as Serco and the company Gatsometer B.V, and the additional amounts of V.A.T added ?
Q3.Please confirm if the partnership have ownership of these cameras, paid in full, or any other arrangement.
Q4.Please confirm if the calibration contracts (CC) have been agreed for a fixed term with break penalty clauses or negotiated annually, if the CC are inclusive of a greater contract regarding maintenance, and who signed the contracts on behalf of the partnership.
Q5.After the cameras have been returned following calibration please confirm if, apart from the calibration certificate, Gatsometer B.V provide a report on any faults detected and items replaced and, if so, please identify the items, including batteries, that have required replacement.
Q6 After calibration, please confirm if the cameras are returned with a shutter speed of two photographs at intervals of 0.5 seconds, and if your Camera Enforcement Officers make any adjustments to the shutter speed or flash setting prior to reinstallation and, if so, what are the setting adjustments?.
Q7.Regarding the secondary check viewing, please advise how the viewing staff are trained for their task, who does the training, are certificates of completion provided, and are the staff given post training assessments or hard copy reference documentation. Is the work of the viewing staff audited or reviewed at intervals?
Q8.For FPG please confirm the distance between the calibration lines on the road which are part of the secondary check, so that one can calculate the speed if five lines are passed.

Yours faithfully,

dennis fallon

Nicola Blackwood,

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Dear Nicola Blackwood,

The purpose behind Q2 of my recent FOI is to calculate the unit cost of calibrating one Gatso Speed and one Gatso Red light camera.
If it is troublesome for you to add up the individual payments to Serco for calibration it will be acceptable to simply know the agreed calibration payment for each camera type over the three year period to assess the trend.

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

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Mr Fallon

Please find attached a Strathclyde Police response in respect of your
recent FOI request.

Kind Regards

Andrew McCulloch
Freedom of Information Officer
Strathclyde Police
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

0141 435 1217
(704)1217

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Dear Mr McCulloch,

Thank you for your helpful answer.
Regarding Q1 and Q2 I was hoping to calculate the calibration costs for each type of camera but, unfortunately,I now see that there are many variable factors which I had not considered.
I am sorry to bother you for further clarification and you may, if you wish,treat it as a new request.

CLARIFICATION POINT ONE.
Please confirm the cost of single calibration of one Gatso Speed Camera for each of the past three years, with the same data for one Gatso Red Light Camera, so that comparisons and trends may be appreciated.

Thanking you in anticipation.

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

Dear Mr McCulloch,

Thank you for your helpful reply.
Regarding Q1 and Q2 I was hoping to calculate the annual calibration costs for the cameras but I now see that the data is pooled and quite complex.
I am sorry to bother you further but it is best to ask for clarification in a direct way and, if appropriate, you may treat it as clarification or as a new request.

CLARIFICATION POINT ONE.
Please confirm the cost of single calibration of one Gatso Speed
Camera for each of the past three years, with the same data for one
Gatso Red Light Camera, so that comparisons and trends may be
appreciated.

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

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Mr Fallon

I will endeavour to respond to you as quickly as I can regarding your
point:

CLARIFICATION POINT ONE.
Please confirm the cost of single calibration of one Gatso Speed Camera
for each of the past three years, with the same data for one Gatso Red
Light Camera, so that comparisons and trends may be appreciated.

I will treat this as a clarification rather than a new enquiry.

Kind Regards

Andrew McCulloch
Freedom of Information Officer
Strathclyde Police
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

0141 435 1217
(704)1217

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Dear Mr Fallon

Please find a Strathclyde Police response in respect of your recent
clarification email.

Kind Regards

Andrew McCulloch
Freedom of Information Officer
Strathclyde Police
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

0141 435 1217
(704)1217
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Dear Andrew McCulloch,

Thank you for your prompt and helpful reply.

The excellent quality of service is a credit to yourself and Strathclyde police.

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

Dear Mr McCulloch,

Sorry to bother you with a late request for further clarification but I have been told by a police force in England that the police are exempt from VAT costs.

Just reference one Gatso Speed Camera charge,2010-2011: Speed £658 + Courier, please confirm if the £658 is inclusive of VAT AT 20% which is reclaimed, or exclusive, and please confirm if the Courier cost is from Strathclyde police to Serco,who then forward the cameraas to Gatso B.V.

These small details are important in the overall financial picture.

Yours faithfully,

dennis fallon

Andrew McCulloch,

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Mr Fallon

I will endeavour to have a response to you as quickly as I can.

Kind Regards

Andrew McCulloch
Freedom of Information Officer
Strathclyde Police
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

0141 435 1217
(704)1217

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Mr Fallon

Please find attached a Strathclyde Police response in respect of your
recent FOI clarification (dated 29 September 2011).

Kind Regards

Andrew McCulloch
Freedom of Information Officer
Strathclyde Police
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

0141 435 1217
(704)1217

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Dear Mr McCulloch,

I now consider this FOI to be completed as you, and your colleagues, have been very helpful and efficient.

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

Dear Mr McCulloch,

Sorry to bother you after I thought the FOI was complete, but after reviewing your helpful information there is some confusion regarding answer to Q2, the annual amounts paid to Serco for calibration.

Considering just the FPG costs alone at approximately 67 calibrations per year,costing approximately £600 each, the total would be about £40,000 minimum, but your answer to Q2 gives figures well short of £20,000.

Please excuse my ignorance but I would appreciate knowing why the answers to Q2 seems to be greatly understated,and are not in the region of £50,000.

I do not want anyone to waste time recalculating all the costs, because you have been very helpful and it was the unit cost and price trend that were most important.

Yours faithfully,

dennis fallon

Dear INFO,

I would appreciate an acknowledgement or response ETA regarding my clarification request.

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

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Mr Fallon,

The attached further clarification appears to have been sent by my
colleague (who is on leave at present) on 4 October, however, I see it
does not feature on the WDTK website, I'm not sure why. Apologies for
it not getting there but I trust it clarifies matters?

Kind Regards

Inspector Graeme Cuthbertson
Force Disclosure Unit

Force Headquarters
Int 704 1205
Ext 0141 435 1205

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Dear Inspector Cuthbertson,

Thank you for confirming that the figure of 67 refers to sites rather than cameras.
To complete this enquiry,as originally requested, I would just appreciate knowing the actual number of Gatso Speed Cameras which currently have valid calibration.

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

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Dear Mr Fallon

Please find a Strathclyde Police response to the clarification email
received on 22 October 2011.

Kind Regards

Andrew McCulloch
Freedom of Information Officer
Strathclyde Police
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

0141 435 1217
(704)1217

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Dear Strathclyde Safety Camera Partnership,

Please pass this on to Mrs Sheena Brennan who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Strathclyde Safety Camera Partnership's handling of my FOI request 'Gatso Calibration and Training'.

I requested information,in good faith,to understand the costings and systems related to Gatso cameras, and based on the ensuing replies requested further clarifications.

I have issued expressions of thanks on 28th September and 18th October but after further consideration the answers have not all been reliable, and I now request an appeal review plus explanation of the disclosure about the use of dummy radar and flash units.

APPEAL POINT ONE.
My initial request dated 25th August explained "
I would like to request a FOI disclosure which is basically to understand the annual money payments to Serco and Gatso for the calibration and maintenance of cameras, staff training, and how the
speed is calculated as part of the secondary check.
Q1. How many fixed post Gatso (FPG) and Gatso Red Light(GRL) cameras were in use, on an annual basis, by your partnership in the past three financial years?"

The response, dated 20th September,advised that disclosure would be granted in full, and on the resulting chart advised that the total of Gatsos varied between 78 and 93.

I wish to appeal that this reply was misleading in that the preamble to the chart mentioned the word sites when the question clearly required cameras.It would accordingly be natural to presume that sites and cameras would be identical, and only after further probing was the truth partially revealed(namely 16 of the speed variety camera existed).
It is not acceptable to spin a response when the request was quite clear and the police said they were disclosing in full.

APPEAL POINT TWO.
It is not good that the second disclosure is incorrectly dated 20th September,as it makes reference to later emails dated 23rd September,and quotes Gatso Speed Calibration annual figures of £609 for 2009/10 and £658 for 2010/11, Gatso Red Light corresponding figures of £452 and £527, and no clear data for 2008/2009.
I am making a comparative survey and have been advised that Gatso may have implemented some mid-year price increases which do not show in these figures.
I would appreciate confirmation that these figures apply from April of the year in question and no mid-year increases were implemented.

APPEAL POINT THREE.
Reference the reply dated 30th September it confirms that VAT is reclaimed in full, but I wish to appeal that it was not originally voluntarilary disclosed that VAT is not realistically part of the cost as it is reclaimed.

APPEAL POINT FOUR.
Reference reply dated 18th October, quote " All sites have continuously working radar and will flash whether or not a ‘camera’ is loaded",

and reply dated 27th October, quote "For your information, the parts that require calibration for Home Office type approved are the camera itself plus associated radar unit. This is the equipment which is circulated around the camera housings. When there is no live unit installed in a housing the camera technicians fit a 'dummy' flash unit which has a radar detector but does not need calibration as it doesn't lead to prosecution but does give the appearance of being operational.
To clarify, Strathclyde Safety Camera Partnership currently operates 16 Gatso speed cameras which are calibrated and circulated around all the Gatso speed housings".

I wish to appeal the validity of these answers and require confirmation of the actual situations.

If the 67 sites all have continuously working radar and will flash whether or not a ‘camera’ is loaded"(by the use of active dummy units),and there are actually only 16 Gatso speed cameras in use,that implies there must be at least 51 `dummy units`available for installation,plus cover during calibration.

When the cameras are switched around that means the Type Approved radar unit is also removed and replaced by the `dummy`radar unit.

Please advise if this scenario is correct,please confirm how many `dummy`units Strathclyde actually hold,if they are the same model and specification as the calibrated radar unit, and the purchase cost of each `dummy`unit.

As a matter of interest I am not subject to any current speeding offence but simply researching the truth behind how the systems operate.

I am sorry to bother you with this appeal request but the information released so far appears to show elements causing confusion.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ga...

Yours faithfully,

dennis fallon

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Dear Mr Fallon

Please find a response in reference to your recent email dated 1 November 2011.

Kind Regards

Andrew McCulloch
Freedom of Information Officer
Strathclyde Police
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

0141 435 1217
(704)1217

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Mr Fallon

Further to my last email dated 8 November 2011, could you please advise if I can close this enquiry or if there are matters which you require clarified.

I note that on 'What Do they Know?' website it is still marked as awaiting response.

At your earliest convenience could you please advise.

Regards

Andrew McCulloch
Freedom of Information Officer
Strathclyde Police
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

0141 435 1217
(704)1217

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Dear Mr McCulloch,
Thank you for your replies.

I am of the opinion that Gatso cameras are becoming obsolete technology so I was trying to ascertain the current financial trends regarding Strathclyde police.

It is unfortunate that there has been confusion regarding site and camera numbers and I have been surprised that Strathclyde have probably spent over £250,000 on `dummy`cameras when the majority of partnerships have deemed them unnecessary(44 dummy speed cameras at £4,800 and 14 dummy red light cameras at unknown cost).

There is still an element of clarification required regarding the red light sites / cameras.

In 2008/2009 there were 24 Gatso redlight cameras(GRL)sites but in 2010/2011 there were only 7 GRL sites(covered by 4 GRL cameras)and 14 dummy red light units, and also an unknown number of digital replacements.

Obviously there has been significant reduction in the use of GRL cameras and these are very expensive kit at about £20,000 each.

Please confirm the number of GRL cameras held in 2008/2009,which I would presume to be 10, and as only 4 are currently in use,please confirm what has happened to the surplus units,including the surplus dummy units,since they have been removed from use and if there are any plans for selling them off.

Please confirm that as 13 GRL `sites`were replaced by digital `sites`in 2009/2010, and 4 GRL `sites`replaced in 2010/2011, how many digital redlight cameras have actually been purchased,what is the type of digital camera,and how many dummy digital cameras have also been purchased.

Sorry to bother you with these two confirmations but it will help sort out the confusion regarding cameras and sites data and I can then consider the enquiry completed.

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

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Dear Mr Fallon

Please find attached a Strathclyde Police response in respect of your email (dated 22 November 2011) requesting clarification.

Kind Regards

Andrew McCulloch
Freedom of Information Officer
Strathclyde Police
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

0141 435 1217
(704)1217

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Dear Mr McCulloch,

Thank you for your response dated 29th November.

Sorry about the inconvenience of the repeated queries due to elements of confusion but the releases have been very helpful and I consider this FOI completed.

The final response is repeated below,just for the convenience of not having to open the attachment.

Please confirm the number of GRL cameras held in 2008/2009,which I would presume to
be 10, and as only 4 are currently in use ,please confirm what has happened to the surplus
units, including the surplus dummy units ,since they have been removed from use and if
there are any plans for selling them off.

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There were 5 Gatso red light (GRL) cameras held in 2008/09, the Strathclyde Safety Camera
Partnership has never had more than this number. Further, this figure reduced to 4 in 2009/10
when one camera required a repair which was not financially viable.

The redundant dummy units are currently in storage. There are no plans for selling them off
as there is no known second-hand market for this type of equipment. The move to digital
technology is, as you say, because ‘wet film’ equipment is becoming obsolete.

Further, as almost all of these items were purchased not by the force but by Local Authorities
before the Strathclyde Safety Camera Partnership came into being (some as far back as 1993),
they have all been well used for many years for their intended purpose.

Please confirm that as 13 GRL `sites` were replaced by digital `sites` in 2009/2010, and 4
GRL `sites` replaced in 2010/2011, how many digital redlight cameras have actually been
purchased, what is the type of digital camera, and how many dummy digital cameras have
also been purchased.

13 digital red light camera replacements were purchased in 2009/10 and 4 in 2010/11. All are
Red Speed International cameras. These cameras are fixed within their housings and cannot
be rotated around locations; therefore, there are 17 actual cameras and no dummy units.

Yours sincerely,

dennis fallon

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