Frideswide Square Roundabouts - lack of road markings and signage

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Dear Oxfordshire County Council,

I am writing to you following the recent completion of work at Frideswide Square.

I am concerned at the lack of any road markings for the three "roundabouts" - this does not seem to meet the prescribed requirements as shown in the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 5 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy... section 8.

A recent picture from the Oxford Mail illustrates the problems http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/resources/im...

The flush central disc seems to imply these are thought of as "mini roundabouts" however the road markings and traffic signs do not meet the requirements listed in sections 8.10 to 8.17 and figures 8-2 and 8-3

8.11 There are no traffic signs on the approaches

8.12 There are no road markings conforming to figure 8-2

8.13 The roundabouts have "annular rings"

8.15 No "Give Way" markings

Please can you send me all records of the decision making process and legal opinions as to the marking (or lack of) schemes used on the roundabouts at Frideswide Square.

Yours faithfully,

Steve Roe

FOI - E&E, Oxfordshire County Council

Our reference:    9532 FOI

 

 

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Dear Mr Roe,

 

Please find attached our response to your Freedom of Information Request.

 

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Steve Roe left an annotation ()

I am not a lawyer, but my understanding based on their reply and the documents referred to is:

"Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy...

4.21 The sign to diagram 611.1 should be placed on each approach to a mini-roundabout junction, in the correct orientation as shown in the diagram, at a distance of approximately 1.5 m before the transverse line. This might have to be increased if the sign would not otherwise be clearly visible, but to no more than 12 m. The sign may be duplicated on a traffic island in the middle of the road. To avoid misleading drivers, care should be taken when siting signs at a double mini-roundabout to ensure that the signs for each roundabout are not too close to each other. Advance warning of the roundabout may be given by the sign to diagram 510 (see para 2.16 in Chapter 4) or by an advance direction sign to diagram 2024, 2119 or 2120
Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 5 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy...
8.2 At all roundabouts (except those controlled by traffic signals for 24 hours per day, see paras 8.20 and 8.21) the appropriate prescribed Give Way line should be laid at each entry and should connect the central warning line, deflection island or central reservation to the near side kerb approximately following the line of the inscribed circle. This allows vehicles in the near side lane to be positioned further into the roundabout than those in the off side lane, improving visibility to the right."

These are "should" and not "must" so are optional.

"13/03/2012 CABINET – 13 MARCH 2012 FRIDESWIDE SQUARE, OXFORD – TRANSPORT AND PUBLIC REALM IMPROVEMENTS http://mycouncil.oxfordshire.gov.uk/docu...
Page 5: Legal implications
22. The proposals require a number of Traffic Regulation Orders, such as amendments to parking and loading restrictions. These will be progressed as part of the detailed design process and reported to the Cabinet Member for Transport if there are any unresolved objections.
23. The proposals for Frideswide Square are broadly consistent with recently published Department for Transport guidance on shared space (Local Transport Note 1/11, October 2011). There may nevertheless be some aspects of the final design that depart from other national guidance or standards where this is deemed appropriate and necessary to deliver the scheme’s objectives. Any such departures will be discussed with the Cabinet Member for Transport and legal advice sought where necessary."

"01/10/2011 Local Transport Note 1/11 Shared Space https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy...
1.12 Sharing is defined thus: Sharing: The ability and willingness of pedestrians, facilitated by the sympathetic behaviour of motorists and others, to move freely around the street and use parts of it that, in a more conventional layout, would be considered largely dedicated to vehicular use.
1.13 In general, sharing between vehicle users and pedestrians should take place in the street’s carriageway area, not the sides of the street which should mainly be the preserve of pedestrians.
Page 50: Traffic signs and road markings
6.74 The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD) 2002, as amended, detail all the prescribed traffic signs applicable in the UK (including road markings, which are technically traffic signs).
6.75 However, there is no underlying need to provide traffic signs. They are required to inform or warn road users and give effect to traffic regulation orders, and, while it may be easier to default to typical signing layouts, it is often possible to follow a more sensitive approach. Reducing the use of signing reflects general good practice, but it is particularly appropriate in shared space – indeed, it might be a fundamental part of the design.
6.76 The Manual for Streets (DfT, 2007) and LTN 1/08 Traffic Management and Streetscape (DfT, 2008a) provide further advice on reducing the use of signing. General advice on the application of prescribed signs is given in the Traffic Signs Manual (DfT, 1982–2009). Where non-prescribed signs are considered necessary, they need to be authorised."

So essentially in a "shared space" (debatable whether Frideswide meets this...) it is required to only use prescribed road marking and signs and roundabout signs aren't prescribed.

Happy to be proved wrong!

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