Dear Land Registry,
AS the owner of a FREEHOLD Property in the United Kingdom am I also
the Land Patent owner as well (if I own/hold the FREEHOLD TITLE do
I also Own/Hold the LAND PATENT TITLE) or are they one and the
Dear J Garratt
Thank you for your email enquiry.
As you are already aware Land Registry maintains a register of land ownership in England & Wales.
Land Patents is an alternative method of proving ownership but one which does not operate within England & Wales. The system is however used in a number of other countries, most notably the USA.
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Dear Hookway, Adam,
Many thanks for your quick reply,thanks for clearing up the information with regards to whether Freehold and Land Patent were one and the same etc.
What I am trying to determine is does being the FREEHOLD holder/owner give absolute land rights ownership (ie Alodia Title, from which i understand to mean as stated above - absolute and sole ownership of the land in question).
Sorry if i am not very clear as to what i mean , but i am not entirely sure as to the correct term to use.
Once again many thanks for your continued help.
Dear J Garratt
Thank you for your further email.
The terminology you are using, namely allodial title and land patent are not terms used in land law in England & Wales.
In our view Freehold title is defined as one of the two ways of owning land at law (technically called “an estate in fee simple absolute in possession”). The other is for a fixed term of years (commonly called “a lease” or “leasehold” . Freehold continues for an indefinite period without any payment in the nature of rent. A freehold title is the nearest approach to absolute ownership of land in England & Wales – the Queen being the only person to own land absolutely.
I am afraid that I am not able to advise further as your questions relate to land law rather than legislation specific to land registration. If you are still unsure then you may wish to consider seeking legal advice or undertaking additional research online which at a glance does appear to contain some interesting material on this subject.
Dear Adam Hookway,
Once again many thanks for your quick reply, two points i would like to make/clear up as it were with your reply ,
Firstly - all people born and living in the British Isles have Sovereignty by right of birth and it is that sovereignty which is invested in the Monarch to Act on our behalf and in our interests and defend the realm ....therefore all Crown Estates must actually belong to the people and this must include Absolute land ownership aswell does it not.
Secondly - as in your reply "a FREEHOLD title is the nearest approach to absolute ownership of land in England and Wales".....if this is true then how can the Council Tax be a LAWFULL charge to any FREEHOLD owners/holders ,as Land owned/held by FREEHOLD are LAWFULLY Free and excempt from any Fines ,taxes, liens or any charges or constraints which may be placed upon them.....
.....unless the Government or Country Council or Local Council actually own the FREEHOLD to the Land then they cannot LAWFULLY impose a charge upon it......if they do not hold/own the FREEHOLD ,then the Council Tax IS UNLAWFULL.
Once again many thanks for your swift replies and i look forward to hearing from you.
Dear J Garratt
Thank you for your email but I am afraid questions of sovereignty and legality are not ones upon which I can advise. Such matters should be raised with a legal adviser and not with Land Registry.
Please read our Advisory Policy with regards what we can and cannot give advice upon
http://www1.landregistry.gov.uk/assets/l... and in particular the section that refers to "We provide advice only about real cases, not about theoretical circumstances. We will not express a view on questions where the law is complex or unclear except where the question arises on a live registration application."
The questions and issues you have now raised are not within our remit and I am afraid that there is nothing more that I can add.
Dear Hookway, Adam,
Once again many thanks for your reply and i will look into this further as you state you are not prepared/cannot go any further with this due to entering legal grounds.....but would be prepared if it were a live request.
It has been a long held thought that the Council Tax is actually an unlawfull charge upon property and land , and coerciively enforced by threats of force (actually unlawfull & illegal under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights....Tyranny and Bondage, including Debt Bondage are both unlawfull and illegal) by a fraudulent Parliament and it's members.
Once again many thanks for your help and replies.
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