Freedom Of Information Request – Whether All Active and Dormant Private Limited Companies are Declarable Pecuniary Interests

The request was refused by Hertfordshire Police and Crime Commissioner.

Date: 13 Sept 2018

Subject: Freedom Of Information Request – Whether All Active and Dormant Private Limited Companies are Declarable Pecuniary Interests

Dear Hertfordshire Police and Crime Commissioner,

Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, I request the following information be provided to me within 20 working days (Thursday 11 October 2018).

Should you require any further information to answer this original request, please ask for it early enough to ensure that it does not delay the resolution of this original request, which is very urgent.

No further extension can be granted due to urgency.

The request is as follows:

Section 30 of the Localism Act 2011 provides that a member or co-opted members of a relevant authority (as defined in section 27(6) of the Localism Act 2011), on taking office and the circumstances set out in section 31, must notify the authority’s monitoring officer of any disclosable pecuniary interest which that person has at the time of notification.

The Relevant Authorities (Disclosable Pecuniary Interests) Regulations specify what a pecuniary interest is. Section 30 (3) of the Act sets out the circumstances in which such an interest is a disclosable interest.

The first of these to have relevance to this matter is “Any employment, office, trade, profession or vocation carried on for profit or gain.”

Question: In which of the following cases, would a member be legally required to declare their interest, and in which case would they not be legally required to declare an interest?

CASE ONE:
The member has a private limited company with a UK registration number.
The private limited company’s registration address is the same as the member’s private home address.
The private limited company has its registered office address as the member’s private home address plus the company’s registration address.
Both company registration address and office address are in the district where the member holds office.
The member is 100 per cent shareholder.
The member is sole director and owns all company shareholding.
The company was registered after the Localism Act 2011 had been brought into Law.
The directorship is active.
The company registration is active.
The company has made its annual tax filings.
The filed tax documents indicate no trading has occurred, at the time of the last annual tax return filing.

Is such a company’s “dormant status” factor enough, to allow for full dispensation or exemption from legally needing to declare such a company as a “disclosable pecuniary interest”?

CASE TWO:

The member has a private limited company with a UK registration number.
The private limited company’s registration address is the same as the member’s private home address.
The private limited company has its registered office address as the member’s private home address plus the company’s registration address.
Both company registration address and office address are in the district where the member holds office.
The member is 100 per cent shareholder.
The member is sole director and owns all company shareholding.
The company was registered after the Localism Act 2011 had been brought into Law.
The directorship is active.
The company registration is active.
The company has made its annual tax filings.
The filed tax documents indicate some trading has occurred, at the time of the last annual tax return filing.

Is such a company’s “active status” factor enough, to disallow for full dispensation or exemption from legally needing to declare such a company as a “disclosable pecuniary interest”?

Question’s Conclusion:

Are such private limited companies owned by members, outside of the Act’s definition of declarable pecuniary interest if dormant at the time of their registration up until the Company’s last tax filling?

Or, are such private limited companies owned by members, inside of the Act’s definition of declarable pecuniary interest even if dormant at the time of their registration up until the Company’s last tax filling?

Yours faithfully,

Mark Dimmock

Transparency & Executive Support Team,

Dear Mr Dimmock,

I write further to your email below dated 13th September 2018.

Please be advised that your request is not considered to be a valid request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 as it is a request for legal advice and opinion on the interpretation of a piece of legislation and not a request for recorded information. It is therefore being considered as an enquiry outside of the Freedom of Information Act.

Considering the questions you raise outside of the Freedom of Information Act I regret that the office of the Police and Crime Commissioner is unable to provide legal advice and is unable to provide any comment or opinion on the interpretation of any piece of legislation. The office holds no information in regard to how the piece of legislation detailed in your enquiry is to be interpreted and you are advised to seek your own specialist legal advice on this topic.

Kind Regards

Howard Crowe |Transparency and Executive Support Administrator |Police and Crime Commissioner for Hertfordshire|Harpenden Police Station|15 Vaughan Road|Harpenden|AL5 4GZ|Tel: 01707 806148 | Email: [email address] |Please visit our website at: www.hertscommissioner.org |Follow us on Twitter at: www.twitter.com/HertsPCC

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Dear Transparency & Executive Support Team,

This is incorrect, not seeking a legal opinion or advice on how specific legislation is interpreted in various scenarios but I am requesting recorded information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

This legislation is already stated by the Localism Act 2011 and its associated Regulations.

I have requested all of YOUR recorded information that supports statutory duty exists to declare any interest as a declarable pecuniary interest in the case where there is a private limited company, of which 100 per cent of the shareholding is the councillor's, and the office is in the district that the member is councillor. And that this applies, even if the company's trading has been dormant, because the company's private limited registration exists as active, has an office and has shares of which one hundred per cent of this shareholding is owned by the member/ councillor.

I request all recorded information which supports this fact be issued by 11 Oct 2018, under the Freedome of Information Act 2000.

Yours sincerely,

Mark Dimmock

Transparency & Executive Support Team,

Dear Mr Dimmock,

The Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner for Hertfordshire has no councillors employed by or working for the office and therefore no information is held regarding your specific request which relates to councillors.

Kind Regards

Howard Crowe |Transparency and Executive Support Administrator |Police and Crime Commissioner for Hertfordshire|Harpenden Police Station|15 Vaughan Road|Harpenden|AL5 4GZ|Tel: 01707 806148 | Email: [email address] |Please visit our website at: www.hertscommissioner.org |Follow us on Twitter at: www.twitter.com/HertsPCC

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Dear Transparency & Executive Support Team,

This is incorrect, again, as I am requesting recorded information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, as to how your Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner for Hertfordshire advises constabularies to handle councillors who break the Law (who indeed may not be employed by or working for PCC office itself) but who are reported of committing potential crimes to those constabularies your Commission oversees, for breaking the Laws surrounding the declaration of declarable pecuniary interests.

Therefore information IS held regarding my specific request, since there are Laws governing which are enforced by you and the constabularies you are expected to assist and oversee. Your commission is expected to oversee the Local Authority in enforcing the Localism Act 2011 and its associated Regulations. Therefore you DO have guidelines of some type, in written form existent because your staff would not just make it up themslves as they went along would they?

I have requested all of YOUR recorded information that supports that you must enforce statutory duty for Councillors (not employed by you) to declare any interest as a declarable pecuniary interest in the case where there is a private limited company, of which 100 per cent of the shareholding is the councillor's, and the office is in the district that the member is councillor. And that this duty of enforcement applies, even if the company's trading has been dormant, because the company's private limited registration exists as active, has an office and has shares of which one hundred per cent of this shareholding is owned by the member/ councillor.

I request all recorded information which supports this fact be issued by my original date of 11 Oct 2018, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Yours sincerely,

Mark Dimmock

MILES, Gavin 7955,

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Dear Mr Dimmock,

 

Your e mail below has been referred to me for review as you dispute the
original reply. I can confirm that no information is held.

 

This office does not advise constabularies on the topic you have asked
about. It is not the role of the PCC to advise constabularies. The PCC has
not advised Hertfordshire Constabulary (or any other) on this topic. You
are wrong when you say that “there are laws governing which are enforced
by you and constabularies” (sic) The PCC does not enforce any laws, nor
assist or oversee enforcement. That is not the role of the PCC. The staff
here have no role in investigation of such complaints, hence they have no
need to make it up as they go along as you suggest. Any complaints of
offences would be made to the constabulary, who do have the role of law
enforcement, and any investigation would be undertaken by the police
without reference to this office. You are also wrong when you say “your
commission (sic) is expected to oversee the Local Authority in enforcing 
the Localism Act 2011 and its associated Regulations”. The PCC has no such
role at all. It is for local authorities monitoring officers to handle
their code of conduct issues and the police to handle allegations of
offences against the Act.

 

You may appeal against this decision to the Information Commissioner:

 

[1]https://ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/offi...

 

Yours sincerely

 

Gavin Miles|Deputy Chief Executive Governance|Police and Crime
Commissioner for Hertfordshire|Harpenden Police Station|15 Vaughan
Road|Harpenden|AL5 4GZ|Tel: 01707 806162 | Email:
[2][email address] |Please visit our website at:
[3]www.hertscommissioner.org |Follow us on Twitter at:
[4]www.twitter.com/HertsPCC

 

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From: Mark Dimmock [[6]mailto:[FOI #519673 email]]

Sent: 03 October 2018 13:42

To: Transparency & Executive Support Team

Subject: RE: Freedom of Information request - Freedom Of Information
Request – Whether All Active and Dormant Private Limited Companies are
Declarable Pecuniary Interests

 

Dear Transparency & Executive Support Team,

 

This is incorrect, again, as I am requesting recorded information under
the Freedom of Information Act 2000, as to how your  Office of the Police
and Crime Commissioner for Hertfordshire advises constabularies to handle
councillors who break the Law (who indeed may not be employed by or
working for PCC office itself) but who are reported of committing
potential crimes to those constabularies your Commission oversees, for
breaking the Laws surrounding the declaration of declarable pecuniary
interests.

 

Therefore information IS held regarding my specific request, since there
are Laws governing which are enforced by you and the constabularies you
are expected to assist and oversee. Your commission is expected to oversee
the Local Authority in enforcing  the Localism Act 2011 and its associated
Regulations. Therefore you DO have guidelines of some type, in written
form existent because your staff would not just   make it up themslves as
they went along would they?

 

I have requested all of YOUR recorded information that supports that you
must enforce statutory duty for Councillors (not employed by you) to
declare any interest as a declarable pecuniary interest in the case where
there is a private limited company, of which 100 per cent of the
shareholding is the councillor's, and the office is in the district that
the member is councillor. And that this duty of enforcement applies, even
if the company's trading has been dormant, because the company's private
limited registration exists as active, has an office and has shares of
which one hundred per cent of this shareholding is owned by the member/
councillor.

 

I request all recorded information which supports this fact be issued by
my original date of 11 Oct 2018, under the Freedom of Information Act
2000.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Mark Dimmock

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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