FOI2022 02118 FOI2022 02117 Document 1 Issued 2022 03 10.pdf

“For the meeting held on 15/03/2021 between Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP and Google UK,
with purpose To discuss digital skills:”


Briefing for meeting with Google on 15th March 2021
Attendees:  Ruth  Porat  (CFO,  Alphabet),  Katie  O’Donovan  (Director,  Government
Affairs and Public Policy, Google UK)
Treasury  Attendees:  Chancellor  of  the  Exchequer,  Assistant  Private  Secretary  to
Chancellor and Michael Webb
Summary
Google reached out to request a meeting between yourself and Ruth Porat in February.
They  would  like  to  discuss  their  support  for  SMEs,  their  recent  Economic  Impact
Report, taxation and regulation.

Speaking Points

SME digital adoption
•
At Budget, I announced Help to Grow to help UK small businesses boost their
productivity as they recover from the pandemic. This has two parts:
o
world-class management training for 30,000 small businesses; and
o
support for 100,000 small businesses to adopt new technologies
through expert online advice and a 50% software discount.
•
What lessons can we take from your Digital Garage as we implement Help to
Grow?
•
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Investment in the UK tech sector
•
The government is committed to building on our already world leading tech
sector which will play a vital role in the UK’s post-Covid growth. At Budget, we
announced further measures to support UK tech and the wider digital economy,
including:
1.  Changes to UK migration rules to ensure we attract the best and brightest to
work in UK tech, including changes to high-skilled visas and the global talent
route.
2.  Committing £375m for Future Fund: Breakthrough to provide co-investment
alongside the private sector into R&D intensive firms, that are looking raise at
least £20m.
3.  We have launched a review to ensure that the R&D tax reliefs remain fit-for-
purpose in and continue to support our world class innovation ecosystem.
•
What plans does Alphabet have for investing further in the UK?
Tax
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Digital Services Tax:
o  The  UK’s  Digital  Services  Tax  (DST)  is  a  proportionate  interim  solution  to
widely held concerns with international corporate tax. As you know are aware, the
DST will be removed once an appropriate global solution is in place, which is one
of the UK’s priorities for its G7 presidency.
o  The Government recognised concerns about UK proposals for a DST, which is
why we consulted businesses extensively and designed the DST in a proportionate
way.

•
If raised - Online Sales Tax:
o  We will consider the case for introducing  an Online Sales Tax  as part of  the
review  of  business  rates.  The  precise  scope  and  potential  impact  of  such  a  tax

would  require  careful  consideration.  The  Government  will  consider  responses  to
the Business Rates Review in due course.
Competition
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Encouraging dynamic and competitive digital markets is a priority for this the
Government, which is why we recently announced funding for a new Digital Markets
Unit (DMU) within the Competition and Markets Authority.
•
We will legislate to put the DMU on a statutory footing as soon as
parliamentary time allows, following consultation in the first half of 2021.
If raised: Online Harms
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As  set  out  in  our  recent  White  Paper  response,  our  new  online  harms
legislation  will  be  proportionate,  and  risk  based.  The  Bill  will  be  brought  forward
later this year.
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[if  raised] on  search  engines:  While  search  engines  do  not  directly  host  user
generated  content  or  facilitate  online  interaction,  they  play  a  significant  role  in
enabling  individuals  to  access  harmful  content  online  which  is  why  they  will  be  in
scope of the legislation.

Factual Background
DST
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The DST will only apply to businesses with annual in-scope revenues of over
£500mn globally and over £25mn in the UK. There is also a mechanism for reducing
the  tax’s  impact  on  businesses  with  low  profit  margins,  or  losses,  on  their  in-scope
activity.
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Liability  will accrue from  1 April 2020, but is  not  payable until  nine months
after the end of groups’ accounting periods and the first payments were due in 2021.
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In  October  the  OECD  published  blueprints  of  their  proposed  digital  tax
solution.  Agreement  had  been  scheduled  for  late-2020  but  is  now  expected  for  mid-
2021.

Online Sales Tax
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The  Government  published  a  Call  for  Evidence  on  21st  July,  as  part  of  its
Fundamental  Review  of  Business  Rates,  to  gather  views  from  stakeholders  on  all
elements  of  the  Business  Rates  system  and  a  number  of  alternative  taxes.  This
includes questions on the scope and potential impacts of an Online Sales Tax.
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The  response  to  the  call  for  evidence  planned  for  23  March  will  include  a
response to evidence provided on the OST, but will not set out next steps.

Competition
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Spending Review 2020 included additional funding to establish a dedicated
Digital Markets Unit within the CMA in 2021-22. This will build on the work of the
2019 Furman Review, whose six strategic recommendations you accepted at Budget
2020, and the December 2020 CMA-based Digital Markets Taskforce Advice to
Government, which looked at how to operationalise the key elements of the Furman
Review.
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We will now consider the Taskforce's advice on the design of pro-competition
measures carefully and will respond in due course. We will consult on proposals for
the new regime in the first half of 2021 and legislate to put it on a statutory footing
when parliamentary time allows.
•
Government will establish the a non-statutory DMU within the CMA next
year, to begin to operationalise the key elements of the regime.
•
We are considering what arrangements should be in place to enable close
cooperation between regulators and will work closely on this with the Digital
Regulation Cooperation Forum (a group with membership of CMA, Ofcom, ICO).

Regulation: Online Harms
Following  publication  of  the  full  government  response,  DCMS  and  the  Home  Office  have
engaged  with  Google  to  discuss  the  proposals.  Google  are  broadly  supportive  of  the
proposals,  including  the  systems  and  processes-based  approach  and  the  duty  of  care
model. Search engines are in scope of the legislation because there is clear action that search
engines can take to mitigate the risk of harm to individuals.

Google Economic Impact Report 2020
•
Google published  an Economic  Impact Report  for 2020  which highlights the
contribution  Google’s  service  shave  made  to  the  economy  in  2020.  Key  points
include:
o
Google’s  core  search  and  advertising  tools  helped  support  £55  billion  in
economic activity for over 700,000 businesses in the UK
o
Over  500,000  businesses  said  that  Google  Workspace  had  been  essential  to
their ability to keep operating during Covid-19.
o
The  Android  App  Economy  generates  £2.8  billion  in  revenue  for  UK
developers,  supporting  240,000  jobs  across  the  UK.  At  the  same  time,  YouTube
creates  an  estimated  £1.4  billion  for  the  UK  economy,  and  supports  over  30,000
jobs

Google Digital Garage - an online tool that contains 26 modules that teach learners over the
course  of  40  hours with  a  test  at  the  end  for  certification. The  course  is  completely  free  for
businesses to do and allows individuals to improve their use of Googles tools.

SME Support during Covid
o
$20  million  in  ad  grants  to  community  financial  institutions  and  NGOs
specifically  to  run  public  service  announcements  on  relief  funds  and  other
resources for SMEs.
o
A  $200  million  investment  fund  that  will  support  NGOs  and  financial
institutions  around  the  world  to  help  provide  small  businesses  with  access  to
capital. This is in addition to the $15 million in cash grants Google.org is already
providing to non-profits to help bridge these gaps for SMEs.
o
$340 million in Google Ads credits available to all SMEs with active accounts
over the past year. 

Alphabet/ Google
•
Google is the world’s 4th largest company and made $183 billion in revenue
worldwide  in  2020  (a  13%  increase  year-on-year).  Google  search  engine  has  86%
global market share, and 93% in the UK.
•
Google  opened  its  first  UK  office  in  2003.  Since  then,  it  has  continued  to
invest in its UK presence and has almost doubled its UK headcount (to 4,439) in the
last 5 years. This number could reach 11,439 once Google completes the expansion of
its offices in King’s Cross, including 5,000 engineers.
•
The CMA Market Study in 2019 concluded that Google has more than a 90%
share of the £7.3 billion search advertising market in the UK and a clear incumbency
advantage.

Ruth Porat (Alphabet, CFO)
Porat joined as CFO of Google and Alphabet (Google’s parent company) in
May 2015. Prior to this she was CFO of Morgan Stanley, and before this held roles in
investment banking, financial institutions, and technology investment banking. Porat advised

the US Treasury during the 2008 financial crisis and was reportedly considered for US
Treasury Deputy Secretary in 2013, but withdrew. Porat was born in Sale, Cheshire, moving
to the US at a young age, and has worked in London while at Morgan Stanley
Katie O’ Donovan (Google, Director of Government affairs and Public Policy)
O’Donovan  became  Director  of  Government  affairs  and  Public  policy  in
October  2020.  She  joined  Google  in  2014  and  was  previously  a  Special  Advisor  to  Tony
Blair and David Miliband.


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Subject: Fwd: [ACTION] [C4] UK SME's From: Katie O'Donovan To: Rishi Sunak 28/01/21
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Subject: [ACTION] [C4] UK SME's From: Katie O'Donovan To: Rishi Sunak 28/01/21
Please find attached correspondence received by the Chancellor's office.
Action: Please send a paragraph of advice, or longer advice if required, on this correspondence to
the Chancellor and a draft response if required, within 5 working days, or at least 2 working days
before any deadline.
• If a similar letter has been sent to a JM, as part of your advice, please flag and advise which PO
should lead on the response.
• If no response is necessary please advise a nil response as part of your advice and set out
reasons as appropriate. Please advise whether the CX should see this for info.
• If the letter includes a request for a meeting please also provide advice on this:

• If the recommendation is to accept, send up a paragraph and not a draft response. Please
also flag if you think a formal response is required if CX agrees to take the meeting.
Consider whether a JM could take this as part of the advice.
• If the recommendation is to decline, send up a paragraph and a draft response if needed.
Please flag in the para if you do not think this is needed.
Please attach the original correspondence when you send the advice and draft letter. Please use
templates on Redbox to format draft letters and advice. For issues which require longer time to deal
with, please explain and suggest an alternative deadline to CX Action, cc the relevant PS.
Where to send: All responses should be sent to CX action and copied to the relevant PS and SpAd
and other teams as needed. If another official is better placed to handle this correspondence then
please reply as soon as possible so it can be redirected, and copy in the relevant officials if possible.
Format: Please use plain English and short, simple sentences - avoiding jargon, acronyms,
abbreviations and technical terms.
It would be helpful if teams could make us aware of staffing changes so mailing lists can be kept up to date
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Subject: RE: [ACTION] [C4] UK SME's From: Katie O'Donovan To: Rishi Sunak 28/01/21

Hi all,

Here’s a follow-up from Google after yesterday’s discussion.

Kind regards,
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Dear Chancellor

Thank you so much for taking the time to meet yesterday. I appreciated the
opportunity to discuss our economic impact in the UK, the potential of COP26,
and some of our UK policy considerations.

The economic growth we enable for small businesses, families and the wider
economy is a top priority for us. Our recent report demonstrated that Google
supported £55 billion in economic activity for over 700,000 businesses in the UK.
Knowing that digital skills are key to helping businesses do more, our Grow with
Google programme will help one million UK businesses by the end of the year
through business support, mentoring and training, ensuring the economic impact
we enable continues to grow and support the UK recovery.

As I mentioned we are close to confirming the launch of a new programme, Google
Career Certificates, which enable job seekers to gain in-demand digital skills in
areas including IT support, project management, UX design and data analytics. As
our plans with Government are finalised, we are keen to follow up with your office
to explore a potential partnership at launch. Thank you for your comment that you
could be interested in joining us for such an event.

It was also good to discuss sustainability and COP26. As I hope I conveyed, we are
passionate about climate change, believe we are a differentiated leader with all the
actions we have taken and want to do everything we can to help make COP26 a
success. [Redacted Section 43(2)]

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It’s fantastic to see the UK forging such a positive approach to tech enabled
growth and we look forward to continuing working closely with you to help the UK
realise this potential.

Best wishes
Ruth


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Subject: RE: [ACTION] [C4] UK SME's From: Katie O'Donovan To: Rishi Sunak 28/01/21

Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)] all,

Thank you very much for this briefing. With thanks to, here’s a short summary of the CX’s call
yesterday with Ruth Porat.

Could you please pass on the details of the DST discussion onto the right people?

•  RP explained how Google Search had supported £55bn of economic activity in 2020, helping
>700k UK businesses. And as Google moved forward they were keen to lean into the digital
skills agenda: they were impressed by the CX’s Budget announcement, and themselves had
just announced a new digital learning scheme which included certification. [Redacted
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•  On COP, RP set out that Google was making strides in being carbon neutral, and was very
keen to be the tech partner for COP 26. CX noted and that we would pass Google’s
eagerness onto the COP unit.

Kind regards,
[Redacted Section 40(2)]

[Redacted Section 40(2)] | Assistant Private Secretary to the Chancellor | [Redacted Section 40(2)]


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Subject: RE: [ACTION] [C4] UK SME's From: Katie O'Donovan To: Rishi Sunak 28/01/21

Hi All,

Please find attached the final version of the document as discussed, for the Chancellor to read if the
previous submission hasn’t yet been seen. Apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.

Kind regards,
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Subject: RE: [ACTION] [C4] UK SME's From: Katie O'Donovan To: Rishi Sunak 28/01/21

It’s in for 15th March – next Monday.

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Subject: RE: [ACTION] [C4] UK SME's From: Katie O'Donovan To: Rishi Sunak 28/01/21

Hi all,

CX is happy to meet with Ruth after Budget. I’ll confirm once in the diary.

Thanks,

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[Redacted  Section  40(2)]  Diary  Manager  to  the  Chancellor  of  the  Exchequer | Rt
Hon Rishi Sunak MP
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Subject: RE: [ACTION] [C4] UK SME's From: Katie O'Donovan To: Rishi Sunak 28/01/21

Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)]

Please find attached the original letter from Google and our advice below.

Could you please let us know when a meeting goes in the diary.

Kind regards,
[Redacted Section 40(2)]

MEETING REQUEST: RUTH PORAT, CFO, Alphabet Inc & GOOGLE
•  Katie O’Donovan, the Director of Government affairs and Public Policy at Google, has written
to you to request a meeting between yourself and Ruth Porat, global CFO, in February.
•  Ruth would like to discuss how Google can help SMEs recover post-Covid, Google’s Economic
Impact Report (that covers Google’s contribution to the UK economy), US-UK tech policy
collaboration and regulation and upcoming competition reform.
•  This would be a good opportunity to discuss the above issues and signal the importance of
the UK tech sector to the post-Covidv recovery. However, we recommend you meet Ruth
after Budget so you can discuss the SME tech adoption/management initiatives announced
at Budget. Do you agree?


[Redacted Section 40(2)] | Policy Officer | Digital Economy
HM Treasury | Infrastructure, Digital & Culture Team | Enterprise and Growth Unit
1 Horse Guards Road, London, SW1A 2HQ | [Redacted Section 40(2)]

www.gov.uk/hm-treasury  | Twitter: @hmtreasury







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Subject: Re: Google UK: Launch of the Economic Impact Report

Hi all

Sorry for the delay. A meeting to discuss would be great if possible - is there any
chance you could this afternoon or tomorrow before 16:00? I'm talking to Ruth
tomorrow evening so would be great to give her your steers then. [Redacted
Section 41(1)]
[Redacted Section 40(2)] - on attendance it will be just Ruth and Kaite O'Donovan from
our side, I'm not attending.

Thanks all,

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:29 AM [Redacted Section 40(2)] - HMT <[Redacted Section
40(2)] @hmtreasury.gov.uk> wrote:
Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)]

As well as any topics you’d like to cover, could you also confirm if anyone will be
accompanying Ruth. Assume it’s just yourself?

Best,
[Redacted Section 40(2)]

[Redacted Section 40(2)] Policy Adviser | Digital Economy
HM Treasury | Infrastructure, Digital & Culture Team | Enterprise and Growth Unit

1 Horse Guards Road, London, SW1A 2HQ | [Redacted Section 40(2)]
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Subject: RE: Google UK: Launch of the Economic Impact Report

Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)]

I hope you’re well.

[Redacted Section 40(2)] in my team will be briefing the Chancellor for the meeting with Ruth Porat
next week. Could you let us know what you’d like to focus on for this? [Redacted Section 41(1)]
Anything else?

Thanks,

[Redacted Section 40(2)]
From: [Redacted Section 40(2)] [[Redacted Section 40(2)] @google.com]
Sent: 25 February 2021 11:14
To: [Redacted Section 40(2)] - HMT <[Redacted Section 40(2)] @hmtreasury.gov.uk>
Subject: Fwd: Google UK: Launch of the Economic Impact Report

Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)]

Thanks for helping us get the Porat meeting with the Chx - much appreciated.

I just wanted to flag up our new report that we've released this morning outlining
Google's economic impact in the UK. I think it tells quite an interesting story.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Best,

[Redacted Section 40(2)]

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From: Ronan Harris <xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx>
Date: Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:35 AM
Subject: Google UK: Launch of the Economic Impact Report
To: <xxxxxxxxx@xxxxxx.xxx>

Good morning,
I’m delighted to be able to share with you our report on Google’s impact in the UK
during 2020. You can also see an op-ed I’ve written for today’s CityAM by clicking here.
View the launch video for our report.

Last year was like no other in living memory. The pandemic has changed the way that
all of us live, work and connect with family and friends. One of the crucial changes has
been how much we have harnessed on technology to help us do these.
We’re proud that Google services have played a significant part in this and during
2020 we have:

Helped to support and boost
British businesses.
Google tools helped support an
estimated £55 billion in economic
activity for over 700,000
businesses in the UK. We also helped
thousands of businesses sell online
for the first time - supporting £17

billion in economic activity.
Helped small business connect
with customers.
The median business in 2020
estimated that around 20% of their
revenue is a result of online search
results and search advertising.

Helped families in everyday life.
Over half of Britons have used Google
Search to keep up to date with the
latest Government advice on Covid-
19, 15 million Brits have used Google
Maps to find out if local shops or
businesses are open, and 10 million
Brits have used YouTube to watch

fitness videos.
Helped workers do their jobs.
Over 500,000 businesses said that
Google Workplace was essential to
their ability to keep operating during
Covid-19. Google Search and Google
Workplace are saving British
workers over six hundred million
hours a year.

As we look to the future, we want to do more to help the UK prosper and build back
better from Covid-19.
So our report lays out a plan for a digitally-led recovery, and shows how the UK can
be a world-leader in tech, creating more jobs, creating more innovative companies and
creating even better products. These plans centre around three key aspects:
•  Increasing UK competitiveness: becoming the best place to start and grow a
digital business
•  Becoming a digital global leader by unlocking the power of data
•  Levelling up the nation’s digital skills
Just as Google was proud to play its part in helping people live and work in the ‘new
normal’, we know that our services will continue to help businesses, workers and
families thrive as the economy reopens. That’s why our teams are constantly working
to provide more innovative and more helpful services all year round.
We look forward to working with you to achieve the UK’s ambition to be a world-leader
in tech. If you’d like to discuss the details of this report in any more detail then please
do let me know.
Yours sincerely,

Ronan Harris
Managing Director, UK and Ireland, Google EMEA
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Google UK
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27 January 2021
Dear Chancellor
Following our productive meeting last year, I’m writing to request a meeting with Ruth Porat in
February. In particular, she is keen to discuss how Google can further help UK SMEs recover
from the pandemic, share data from our forthcoming report on Google’s economic impact in
the UK and explore the potential opportunities arising from the new Biden Administration.
Our UK MD Ronan Harris is delighted to be part of the new Build Back Better Business Council
and we are keen to build on our support for small businesses during the pandemic. We have
committed to direct support, training and mentoring to one million small businesses in the UK
by the end of 2021, including helping them do more online, ensuring they’re able to trade and
engage with customers, even during periods of lockdown.
Next month, we will also be launching our latest Economic Impact Report, which looks at the
value we contribute to and enable in the UK economy. You may remember that you launched
our previous iteration of this report in October 2018. We would appreciate the opportunity to
brief you on the new report’s findings, as well as discuss areas where we might be able to
collaborate to secure the UK’s economic recovery and maintain the UK’s position as a global
tech leader.
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As the economy begins to recover from the pandemic, it is crucial that the UK maintains a regulatory
regime that encourages innovation and has a strategic and long-term approach to digital policy. The
Budget will be an important staging post for these efforts, along with the upcoming competition
reform and the other fiscal measures. We would very much appreciate any opportunity for Ruth to
meet with you and discuss these issues, alongside our work in the UK and the role we can play in the
economic recovery.

Yours sincerely
Kaite O’Donovan
Director of Government Affairs and Public Policy

“For the meeting held on 27/02/2020 between Rt Hon Steve Barclay MP and Google UK,
with purpose Meeting to discuss technology policy”:

Briefing for meeting with Google, 27th February 2020
Summary Attendees: Google: Ronan Harris (Managing Director, UK), Hal Varian (Chief
Economist, Global), [Redacted Section 40(2)]

HMT:  Steve  Barclay  (Chief  Secretary),  John  Staples  (Deputy  Director,  Infrastructure,
Digital and Culture) & [Redacted Section 40(2)]

Google  have  requested  a  meeting  to  discuss  UK  inward  investment  and
competitiveness, digital skil s, competition and the Digital Services Tax. This is a good
opportunity  for  you  to  hear  their  views  on  UK  competitiveness  and  to  encourage
support for our objectives on level ing up, R&D and skil s.
Speaking Points
Investment and UK competitiveness
•  We  want  the  UK  to  be  the  best  place  to  start  and  grow  a  digital  business.  To
support  this,  we  have  committed  £7bn  to  R&D  since  2016,  including  major
investments  in  AI.  The  manifesto  also  commits  to  reform  R&D  tax  credits  to
incentivise investment in cloud computing and data.
•  I understand you’re growing your UK operations and expanding your UK headcount
from  4,000  to  7,000.  What  could  the  government  do  to  support  you  to  invest
further in the UK?
•  It is great to hear about Google’s Digital Garage programme and the support you
are giving regional SMEs. What lessons have you learnt from this project and how
can government best support these businesses across the UK?
•  Our competitiveness depends on our ability to upskil  our workforce.  What are the
skil s needs of your workforce? What would you want out of a new National Skil s
Fund?

Potential points raised by Google – discuss only if raised
Digital Services Tax (DST)
•  The DST is a proportionate interim solution to the challenges digitalisation poses for
the corporate tax system, pending a global solution. The government recognises that
businesses have concerns about the DST, which is why it is only coming into force
following extensive consultation.
•  The UK DST is designed in a proportionate way. It is based on the location of users,
not the location of businesses.
•  The  government  has  been  clear  that  our  strong  preference  is  for  a  global/OECD
solution,  and  the  UK  is  working  actively  with  other  countries  to  achieve  that
goal. Once an appropriate global solution is in place, the UK wil  no longer need our
DST.

Other talking points
•  Government response to the Furman Review: The Government is considering how to
take  forward  proposed  reforms  to  the  competition  landscape  and  wil   respond  in
due course. This demonstrates the UK leading the way in responding to new global
competition challenges.
•  Challenges  of  regulation  to  innovation:  It’s  important  we  ensure  that  rules  and
regulations  keep  pace  with  technological  advances.  Making  sure  the  regulatory
landscape  remains  favourable  to  innovation  wil   ensure  the  UK  is  one  of  the  best
places to start and grow a digital business.

•  The CMA’s ongoing digital advertising market study: The CMA are an independent
organisation. Treasury officials would be happy to discuss this further on conclusion
of this investigation.
•  Online Harms: We would be interested in your views on the interim response to the
Online Harms White Paper and whether this addressed your previous concerns with
the proposals.
•  Data and trade: The UK is a global leader in strong data protection standards, and
data protection wil  continue to be a priority after EU exit. The UK and EU agree that
the continued free flow of personal data is important for the future economic and
security relationship.

Factual Background
Digital Services Tax (DST)
•  DST is a temporary response to concerns with the taxation of digital businesses and
wil  be disapplied once an appropriate global solution is in place.
•  UK and US businesses, and the US administration, have been strong opponents. US
concerns include that the DST discriminates by focusing on the large US firms that
dominate the sector.
Furman Review
•
An  independent,  Treasury-led  review  on  competition  in  the  digital  economy,
commissioned  for  from  Professor  Jason  Furman,  was  published  at  Spring
Statement in March 2019.
•
The Furman Review proposed a new ‘Digital Markets Unit’ that would promote
competition in digital markets, for example by setting new rules governing digital
platforms.
•
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CMA Online platforms and digital advertising market study
•  In  July  2019,  the  CMA  announced  a  market  study  into  online  platforms  and  the
digital  advertising  market  in  the  UK.  They  are  due  to  release  their  full  study  and
recommendations by July 2020.
•  In December, the CMA released an interim report criticising Google and Facebook as
their ‘profitability goes beyond a reasonable sum for a competitive marketplace’.
•  The final report wil  be published in July 2020.
Online Harms White Paper
•  Google  has  generally  supported  the  government’s  approach  to  Online  Harms  but
have two concerns: (i) that a framework developed for social media platforms would
be  uniformly  applied  to  other  digital  platforms  (e.g.  search);  (ii)  that  the  original
scope included cloud services.
•  Policy development on the framework is ongoing; HMT will review the business case
in Spring.

National Skil s Fund
•  We’re  in  the  early  stages  of  designing  the  National  Skil s  Fund  to  offer  technical
provision to adults. The objective set out in the manifesto was to transform the lives

of people who have not go onto the work ladder and lack qualifications, as wel  as
people who are keen to return to work or switch from one career to another.
•  The manifesto committed to a consultation, which we will launch in the Spring.
Tech Competitiveness Study (TCS)
The government has asked a panel of industry experts, including Microsoft’s Cindy Rose,
to  make  recommendations  on  how  to  strengthen  the  UK  tech  sector.  Their  report  is
expected in Spring.
Further Background
•  Google is an American multinational technology company and the largest subsidiary
of Alphabet Inc. Google’s services are split into three categories: web-based services,
software and hardware.
•  Google has three London offices and 4,000 UK employees and are currently building
a new King’s Cross UK headquarters which wil  house 7,000 employees.
•  Google  has  amassed  €8.2bn  in  fines  from  the  EU  in  the  last  3  years  –  fines  have
focused on Google’s unfair promotion of their own services and for blocking adverts
from rival search engines.
•  Google  has  its  own  UK  digital  skil s  initiative  called  Digital  Garage  which  has
upskil ed 500,000 individuals. The Garage consists of a series of online modules and
free events across the UK to upskil  business owners and local people.
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Ronan Harris (Managing Director)
Ronan  Harris  was  appointed  Google’s  UK  &  Ireland  Managing  Director  in
November 2016 following 11 years at the company. His career began at the
Mitsubishi  Chemical  Corporation  before  moving  to  Google  as  an  engineer.
Most recently, he was Head of Operations for Google Ireland.
Hal Varian (Chief Economist)
Hal Varian joined Google in 2002 as a consultant on econometrics, corporate
strategy  and  public  policy  before  eventually  becoming  the  company’s  Chief
Economist.  He  previous  taught  microeconomic  at  MIT,  Standard  and  the
University of Oxford.
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Subject: RE: Meeting with The Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP, the Chief Secretary to the
Urgent:  High



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Dear [Redacted Section 40(2)]

My apologies with the delay in replying, however, as you can imagine we have all
been rather busy with the new incumbent Ministers.

I am afraid that The Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP, the Chancellor of the Exchequer will
now be unable to meet with Mr Harris & Mr Varian, however, The Rt Hon Stephen
Barcaly MP, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury will be able to still meet them on
Thursday 27 February 2020, however, now at the earlier time of 10.45.

Please do let me know if this still works for both of them.

Most grateful.

[Redacted Section 40(2)]

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Subject: Re: Meeting with The Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP, the Chief Secretary to the

Dear [Redacted Section 40(2)]

Thank you so much for confirming this meeting. Given the reshuffle yesterday, we would love to
confirm this with the new Chancellor. Hal Varian, our Chief Economist is in the UK that week, so it
would be fantastic if we can continue with this opportunity.

Best wishes

[Redacted Section 40(2)]

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Dear [Redacted Section 40(2)] & [Redacted Section 40(2)]

Thank you for both your messages, meeting with Mr Harris & Mr Varian now
confirmed in the Minister’s diary for Thursday 27 February 2020, 12.00, here at HM
Treasury, address as per below.

Most grateful.

[Redacted Section 40(2)]
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Subject: Re: Meeting with The Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP, the Chief Secretary to the

Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)] Could we go ahead and confirm the 12:00 time for the 27th Feb with
the Minister (Iassume at HM Treasury)?

Kind regards,

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Dear [Redacted Section 40(2)]

Thank you for message, I wondered if you are now in a position to confirm that Mr
Harris is also available for the meeting with the Minister still on Thursday 27
February 2020, new later time of 12.00 and still here at HM Treasury, address as per
below.

Most grateful.

[Redacted Section 40(2)]

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Subject: Re: Meeting with The Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP, the Chief Secretary to the

Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)] That works well for Hal. I need to confirm with Ronan's PA who is not
in the office until Monday, but please do take this as provisional acceptance.

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Dear [Redacted Section 40(2)]

Thank you for message below, I have had to make a few changes to the Minister’s
diary for Thursday 27 February 2020 and I wondered if Mr Harris and Mr Varian,
could do the slightly later time of 12.00, instead of 10.45, as per below.

Please do let me know, if this later time is suitable, so I can confirm the meeting in
the Minister’s diary

Most grateful.

[Redacted Section 40(2)]

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Subject: Re: Meeting with The Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP, the Chief Secretary to the
Dear [Redacted Section 40(2)]

Many thanks for the email and offer to meet with Ronan Harris. We would be delighted to accept
27th Feb. Hal Varian, our Chief Economist will also be in the UK on that date and I would like to
suggest he joins too, as can talk more broadly about creating and sustaining growth in the digital and
wider economy.

Do let me know if that works.

Best

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Many thanks for this. I'm copying [Redacted Section 40(2)] from UK Policy who will take this
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Thanks!
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Dear [Redacted Section 40(2)]

My name is [Redacted Section 40(2)] and I am Diary Manager to The Rt Hon Rishi
Sunak MP, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury and as you can see by attached
letter Mr Harris wrote to the Minister to congratulate him on his re – appointment and
also re questing a meeting with the Minister.

The Chief Secretary would like to meet with Mr Harris and we have the following
dates:

Wednesday 12 February 2020. 9.30

Or

Thursday 27 February 2020, 10.45.

The Minister’s meetings tend to last 30/45 minutes and are generally held here at
HM Treasury, address as per below.

Please do let me know, if one of the above is suitable.

Most grateful.

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From: [Redacted Section 40(2)] - HMT <[Redacted Section 40(2)] @hmtreasury.gov.uk>
Sent: 27 February 2020 19:38

To: [Redacted Section 40(2)] - HMT <[Redacted Section 40(2)] @hmtreasury.gov.uk>
Subject: CST tech people note
Hi,
One of the CST’s thoughts after the Google meeting was that he often meets firms who come to him,
but would like to engage more strategically with people that genuinely understand issues on the
ground.
He asked if we could give some thought to people he could meet on our agenda to help shape our
thinking. It’s a timely ask, as he’s covering the digital portfolio for XST until mid-April.
Given [Redacted Section 40(2)] has some capacity, could you ask her to draw up a long-list of 10
techy people who would give CST some interesting food for thought on our priorities going into CSR?
Good to focus on non-usual suspects (could be CTOs rather than just CEOs, reps from stand-out
start-ups/medium sized companies rather than big tech, or academics doing relevant work). We could
then whittle down to 5-6 to include in a note to him next week. He asked that this include [Redacted
Section 40(2)]. In the note we could also offer to set up a roundtable as a way of speaking to a few
people at once.
This isn’t especial y time sensitive so can slip to late next week or the fol owing if needed given
Budget pressures.
Thanks,
[Redacted Section 40(2)]

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Section 40(2)] @hmtreasury.gov.uk>; Power, Timothy - HMT
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Subject: RE: CST/Google meeting 27th January
[DCMS]
[Redacted Section 40(2)], thanks for the briefing for the meeting. Please see R/O and actions
below:
Attendees: Ronan Harris (Google); Hal Varian (Google); [Redacted Section 40(2)] (Google); John
Staples; [Redacted Section 40(2)]
Main points:
•  ·Rona Harris started by welcoming the government’s shift toward por-tech messaging and
spoke about Google’s commitment to investment in the UK
•  ·CST spoke about the Government’s pro migration and trade message and the opportunities
for using tech to drive improvements in the NHS
•  ·Harris and CST both agreed on the importance of skills and the CST welcomed goggle’s
initiative in this areas (such as digital garage). CST asked to see the evaluation of this work.
CST referenced the manifesto to underscore the government’s commitment to innovation
and R&D.
•  ·Hal Varian spoke about some of the economics of innovation:
o  ·Government intervention often creates spill overs that lead to successes such as
google.
o  ·Competitions (such as Kaggle) help promote innovation. Google promised to send
over data on this.
•  ·Both google and the CST agreed that there was a possibility for the UK to position itself as a
third way between the EU and the US re online regulation.

•  ·CST was interested to hear Google’s views on what the government should prioritise so that
it can drive improvements in the delivery of public services and deliver
efficiencies. [Redacted Section 35(1)(a)]
•  ·On maximising the potential of VC: Varian pointed out that you need to work with silicon
Valley to maximise potential, rather than trying to create your own version of US companies
(as is happening in Europe).
Actions for Thursday 5th
•  [Redacted Section 40(2)] – do you mind chasing Google for those things they promised in
the meeting for the CST. Very happy for you to look through a provide a cover note if you
think helpful?
•  [Section 35(1)(a)]
•  ·Wanted a list of people in tech who he should proactively meet – [Redacted Section
40(2)] can you provide?
There were some actions for the health team – I’ve passed on to[Redacted Section 40(2)] deal with
separately.
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SECTION 40(2)] - HMT <[REDACTED SECTION 40(2)] HYPERLINK "MAILTO: [REDACTED SECTION 40(2)]
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Subject: RE: CST/Google meeting 27TH JANUARY

Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)]Sending over the brief ahead of 3pm deadline.
It would be great if [Redacted Section 40(2)] Head of Digital Economy, could join the meeting
alongside John. Do let me know if possible.
If you have any questions on the brief, please let me know.
Thanks

[Redacted Section 40(2)]

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Subject: RE: CST/Google meeting 27th January
Hi all,
This is now confirmed – so please send up a briefing for 3pm tomorrow.
The new CST has said that he has preference for short, concise briefings that get straight to the point
and avoid padding. He also wants to know – what are the points that he can raise that will have the
most impact? What are the helpful issues to bring up and what is the Treasury view on these points?
I’ll also chase Google on the things they will want to raise in the meeting
Thanks
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Secretary to the Treasury | HM Treasury, 1 Horse Guards Road, London, SW1A 2HQ [Redacted
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Section 40(2)] -HMT <[Redacted Section 40(2)] @hmtreasury.gov.uk>; [Redacted Section 40(2)] -
HMT <[Redacted Section 40(2)] @hmtreasury.gov.uk>; [Redacted Section 40(2)] - HMT <[Redacted
Section 40(2)] @hmtreasury.gov.uk>; [Redacted Section 40(2)] - HMT <[Redacted Section 40(2)]
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Subject: CST/Google meeting 27th January
Hi all,
We are awaiting confirmation from Google however there is a hold for a meeting with their MD and
chief economist and the CST on Thursday morning. We have no agenda for the meeting (and like I
say, its still to be confirmed) but could we please start to pull together briefing for this meeting
by Wednesday 3pm please? Apologies for the late notice; was hoping to avoid nugatory work on
this and like I say, may still be cancelled.
Could someone here hold the pen and forward this message to the relevant teams (I’m sure I have
missed people out).
Let me know if you’ve any questions
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Subject: CST/Google actions



[Redacted Section 40(2)] These are the main asks I took away from the meeting with CST just
now.
Are there any I’ve missed and are you happy with the next steps?
•  [Redacted Section 35(1)(a)] - Suggest you pick up with [Redacted Section 40(2)] and team
who’ve been doing some thinking here.
•  ·A note on how we can use competitions linked to major public challenges to drive innovation.
He asked “what are HMT’s five competitions for 20/21?” - We’l  pick up with Science &
Innovation branch.
•  ·Suggestions for people to proactively meet on the digital/innovation agenda, starting with
[Redacted Section 40(2)] – We can provide this next week.
•  ·Google’s help on how their data can inform our prioritisation at CSR - I’ll follow up with
[Redacted Section 40(2)] on this later. Not exactly sure what they’ll be able to share here…
Thanks,
[Redacted Section 40(2)] [Redacted Section 40(2)] | Head of Digital Economy | Infrastructure,
Digital & Culture | HM Treasury | [Redacted Section 40(2)]

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Subject: RE: Meeting with The Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP, the Chief Secretary to the



Hi, sorry, only seeing this now. Probably easiest to speak directly with [Redacted Section 40(2)] but
would be great if you could do that in the next hour or so as we have a 3pm deadline for briefing the
minister today!
Thanks
[Redacted Section 40(2)]
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Sent: 25 February 2020 17:50
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Cc: [Redacted Section 40(2)] - HMT <[Redacted Section 40(2)] @hmtreasury.gov.uk>;
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Subject: Re: Meeting with The Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP, the Chief Secretary to the
Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)]
Happy to chat tomorrow morning if that's helpful?
[Redacted Section 40(2)] has also been in touch on similar lines if it's helpful for us to talk
together?
Thanks
[Redacted Section 40(2)]

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020, 11:12 [Redacted Section 40(2)] - HMT, <HYPERLINK "mailto:[Redacted Section
40(2)] @hmtreasury.gov.uk" [Redacted Section 40(2)] @hmtreasury.gov.uk> wrote:
Thanks for confirming [Redacted Section 40(2)], looking forward to meeting you all on Thursday. Can
I ask if there are any particular issues that you will want to raise during the meeting?
Thanks
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Subject: Re: Meeting with The Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP, the Chief Secretary to the
[Redacted Section 40(2)] Many thanks for your email. I can confirm that time works well for us.
[Redacted Section 40(2)]
Thanks so much for rearranging during such a busy period.
Best
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Subject:
RE: Data capture and analytics
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Google provided the attached on how cloud and data analytics can improve public sector outcomes.
Not quite what CST asked for but understandably they’re reluctant to hand over their data.
Apologies for not sending on sooner, it came in as the covid response was escalating.
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Subject: RE: Data capture and analytics
Tremendous – thanks, [Redacted Section 40(2)]
Would you also happen to have the ‘thoughts and data’ mentioned in the point below? It seems to
be pertinent to his ask of us.
•  ·“CST was interested to hear Google’s views on what the government should prioritise so
that it can drive improvements in the delivery of public services and deliver
efficiencies. Google to send over their thoughts and data.”
Best,
[Redacted Section 40(2)]

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Subject: RE: Data capture and analytics
Hi all,
Read out attached
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Subject: Re: Data capture and analytics
Adding [Redacted Section 40(2)] who sat in on that meeting.
We should have the contact as well.
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Subject: RE: Data capture and analytics

One thing he reiterated after the call was using external and new sources of data e.g. google. So worth
making sure that’s factored in.
I’ll include in my write up.
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Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)]

Apologies for the delay - the same team have been working on COVID 19
discussions. This is really just a bit of our background info. so do let us know if
there's any area we could talk through more.

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Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)],
Good to speak yesterday. You mentioned you’d try to get us across some thoughts for the Chief
Secretary this morning. Is there any chance we could have this in the next couple of hours so we can
get to him before he heads back up to his constituency?
Thanks,
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Subject: RE: follow-up on today
Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)],
Good to speak last week.
Thanks again for offering to send some thoughts on how cloud/data analytics could help government
improve performance. Would it be possible to have this by close on Wednesday? We’d like to give to
the Chief Secretary for his weekend box.

Thanks,
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Subject: Re: follow-up on todayHi [Redacted Section 40(2)]
How are you? Good to see you earlier. I thought it was a really interesting meeting
with lots of potential avenues to discuss. Here's the Demos HYPERLINK
"https://demos.co.uk/project/the-learning-curve/" report, but I can send through a
bit more info. too over the next few days.
Shall we have a quick call tomorrow to talk a bit more about what would be
particularly useful?
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Hi [Redacted Section 40(2)],
Thanks for coming in today. I think the Chief Secretary found it a really useful session, and it was
great for us to meet Ronan and Hal.
Ronan mentioned a report you’ve recently completed with Demos on e-learning. Please could you
send this through? We’d also be interested in any other work you’ve done on skills and/or regional
growth, as we consider our strategy on levelling-up.
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Subject: RE: CST/Google meeting 27th January



Thanks for copying [Redacted Section 40(2)] –
[Redacted Section 40(2)] – on GovTech we could simply say:
In 2018 and 2019, the £20m GovTech fund launched 15 competitions for private sector tech
solutions to a variety of public sector challenges (e.g. tracking firefighters in a burning building,
detecting illicit goods at the border). Development of solutions to these challenges continues, with
the first full solutions expected this year. Cabinet Office Ministers have expressed interest in
expanding the fund, which you could consider at SR.
Thanks
[Redacted Section 40(2)] [Redacted Section 40(2)] | Head of Public Sector Productivity
HM Treasury | Public Spending Group
2 Red, 1 Horse Guards Road, London, SW1A 2HQ | [Redacted Section 40(2)]
www.hm-treasury.gov.uk
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Subject: FW: CST/Google meeting 27th January
Hi all,
Are you happy to lead on the innovation competitions para for CST?
We can throw in some ideas if helpful but I think framing in context of wider approach to R&D makes
most sense.
Also copying [Redacted Section 40(2)] in case there are any links to that could be drawn to
GovTech’s future.
Thanks,
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Subject: RE: CST/Google meeting 27th January
[DCMS]
[Redacted Section 40(2)] thanks for the briefing for the meeting. Please see R/O and actions below:
Attendees: Ronan Harris (Google); Hal Varian (Google); [Redacted Section 40(2)] (Google); John
Staples; [Redacted Section 40(2)]
Main points:
•  ·Rona Harris started by welcoming the government’s shift toward por-tech messaging and
spoke about Google’s commitment to investment in the UK
•  ·CST spoke about the Government’s pro migration and trade message and the opportunities
for using tech to drive improvements in the NHS
•  ·Harris and CST both agreed on the importance of skills and the CST welcomed goggle’s
initiative in this areas (such as digital garage). CST asked to see the evaluation of this work.
CST referenced the manifesto to underscore the government’s commitment to innovation
and R&D.
•  ·Hal Varian spoke about some of the economics of innovation:
o  ·Government intervention often creates spill overs that lead to successes such as
google.
o  ·Competitions (such as Kaggle) help promote innovation. Google promised to send
over data on this.
•  ·Both google and the CST agreed that there was a possibility for the UK to position itself as a
third way between the EU and the US re online regulation.
•  ·CST was interested to hear Google’s views on what the government should prioritise so that
it can drive improvements in the delivery of public services and deliver efficiencies. Google
to send over their thoughts and data.
•  ·On maximising the potential of VC: Varian pointed out that you need to work with silicon
Valley to maximise potential, rather than trying to create your own version of US companies
(as is happening in Europe).
Actions for Thursday 5th
•  [Redacted Section 40(2)] – do you mind chasing Google for those things they promised in
the meeting for the CST. Very happy for you to look through a provide a cover note if you
think helpful?
•  [Redacted Section 35(1)(a)]
•  ·Wanted a list of people in tech who he should proactively meet – [Redacted Section
40(2)] can you provide?
There were some actions for the health team – I’ve passed on to [Redacted Section 40(2)] to deal
with separately.
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Treasury, 1 Horse Guards Road, London, SW1A 2HQ | [Redacted Section 40(2)] | www.gov.uk/hm-
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