Fire Appliance availability

Response to this request is long overdue. By law, under all circumstances, North Wales Fire and Rescue Service should have responded by now (details). You can complain by requesting an internal review.

Dear North Wales Fire and Rescue Service,

Could you please confirm the minimum number of fire appliances that were available at any one time across North Wales on a daily basis over the last 3 month period?

Yours faithfully,

Mr S James

FoI, North Wales Fire and Rescue Service

Dear Sir,

 

North Wales Fire and Rescue Service (NWFRS) hereby acknowledges receipt of
your request for information as detailed below, which is being actioned
under the terms of the Freedom of Information Act 2000. This is now
receiving the Service’s attention and a response will be provided within
20 working days. To confirm, your request was received on 26th July 2019
and you have supplied an email address for response.

Yours faithfully,

Swyddog Rhyddid Gwybodaeth/Freedom of Information Officer
Gwasanaeth Tân ac Achub Gogledd Cymru/North Wales Fire and Rescue Service
Ffôn / Telephone: 01745 535290
Ffôn Symudol / Mobile Phone: 07787 578350
Ffacs / Fax: 01745 535296

Rydym yn croesawu gohebiaeth a galwadau yn y Gymraeg a’r Saesneg - byddwn
yn ymateb yn gyfartal i’r ddwy ac yn ateb yn eich dewis iaith heb oedi.

We welcome correspondence and calls in Welsh and English - we will respond
equally to both and will reply in your language of choice without delay.

Gwnewch yn siŵr eich bod yn profi’ch larwm mwg yn rheolaidd. Os nad oes
gennych larwm, neu os ydy’ch larwm wedi torri, ffoniwch 0800 169 1234,
anfonwch e-bost i [1][email address]  neu ewch i 
[2]www.gwastan-gogcymru.org.uk am gyngor  ynglŷn â beth i’w wneud nesaf.

Please make sure that you regularly check your smoke alarm.  If you do not
have one, or find that the one that you do have is not working, call 0800
169 1234, e-mail [3][email address] or visit
[4]www.nwales-fireservice.org.uk for advice on what to do next.

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FoI, North Wales Fire and Rescue Service

Dear Sir,

 

Further to your recent Freedom of Information Act request detailed below,
it is clear that North Wales Fire and Rescue Service (NWFRS) will not be
able to provide a response without clarification of the information
required.

 

If you require the figure for available appliances to include those
attending incidents then, from our preliminary assessment, it is estimated
that it will cost more than the ‘appropriate limit’ to consider your
request. Section 12 of the Freedom of Information Act makes provision for
public authorities to refuse requests for information where the cost of
dealing with them would exceed the appropriate limit, which for local
government is set at £450. This represents the estimated cost of one
person spending 2.5 working days in determining whether the department
holds the information, locating, retrieving and extracting the
information. If you require the least number of appliances on the run,
excluding incidents, then that is much easier to answer. Also, please
confirm that you require the lowest number of appliances available at any
one time across North Wales on a daily basis, which implies that you want
90 plus answers, i.e. one for each day of the 3 months.

 

Once you have clarified your request NWFRS will be able to prepare a
response.  If clarification is not received within three months your
request will be considered to have lapsed (under section 1(3) of the
Freedom of Information Act, a public authority need not comply with a
request unless any further information reasonably required to locate the
information is supplied).

Yours faithfully,

Swyddog Rhyddid Gwybodaeth/Freedom of Information Officer
Gwasanaeth Tân ac Achub Gogledd Cymru/North Wales Fire and Rescue Service

Rydym yn croesawu gohebiaeth a galwadau yn y Gymraeg a’r Saesneg - byddwn
yn ymateb yn gyfartal i’r ddwy ac yn ateb yn eich dewis iaith heb oedi.

We welcome correspondence and calls in Welsh and English - we will respond
equally to both and will reply in your language of choice without delay.

Gwnewch yn siŵr eich bod yn profi’ch larwm mwg yn rheolaidd. Os nad oes
gennych larwm, neu os ydy’ch larwm wedi torri, ffoniwch 0800 169 1234,
anfonwch e-bost i [1][email address]  neu ewch i 
[2]www.gwastan-gogcymru.org.uk am gyngor  ynglŷn â beth i’w wneud nesaf.

Please make sure that you regularly check your smoke alarm.  If you do not
have one, or find that the one that you do have is not working, call 0800
169 1234, e-mail [3][email address] or visit
[4]www.nwales-fireservice.org.uk for advice on what to do next.

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Dear FoI,

I appreciate that my original request may not be achievable and may exceed the financial limit.

Therefore, to simplify the request.
Could you please confirm the minimum / lowest number of rescue appliances (Not specialist) available at any one time (excluding those on incidents) across North Wales over the past 30 days?

Yours sincerely,

Mr S James

FoI, North Wales Fire and Rescue Service

Dear Sir,

 

Further to your FoI request below and clarification, please be advised
that, even with the request refined as detailed in your email of 20^th
August, it will still not be possible to provide the requested information
within the ‘appropriate limit’, for the following reasons:

 

1.       The information on our Command and Control system regarding
appliance availability changes every few minutes as crews book on an off
with work, training, leave etc. Consequently, we would need to cross check
every station at, lets say 15 minute intervals, then remove those on
incidents and do this manually for 30 days.  Each 15 minute query takes
around 5 minutes to compare 44 stations and then just over 2 minutes to
check what incidents were happening at the time and remove those
appliances. This process would need to be repeated 96 times for each day
(4 checks per hour x 24 hours), which equates to 672 minutes. Repeating
that process for each of the 30 days equates to a total of 20,160 minutes,
compared to the ‘appropriate limit’ of 18 hours work (1080 minutes).

2.       Our appliances are deploying to incidents regularly as well as
bringing in standbys for retained crews which would also need to be
removed from the total.

 

Therefore, I must advise you that, unless you can further refine your
request, NWFRS would have to refuse it under Section 12 of the Freedom of
Information Act. What I am able to tell you is that NWFRS has an agreed
policy whereby it tries to ensure that there are always 20 appliances
available across key areas during the day and the Service rarely fails to
achieve this.

 

Please advise how you wish to proceed.

Yours faithfully,

Swyddog Rhyddid Gwybodaeth/Freedom of Information Officer
Gwasanaeth Tân ac Achub Gogledd Cymru/North Wales Fire and Rescue Service

Rydym yn croesawu gohebiaeth a galwadau yn y Gymraeg a’r Saesneg - byddwn
yn ymateb yn gyfartal i’r ddwy ac yn ateb yn eich dewis iaith heb oedi.

We welcome correspondence and calls in Welsh and English - we will respond
equally to both and will reply in your language of choice without delay.

Gwnewch yn siŵr eich bod yn profi’ch larwm mwg yn rheolaidd. Os nad oes
gennych larwm, neu os ydy’ch larwm wedi torri, ffoniwch 0800 169 1234,
anfonwch e-bost i [1][email address]  neu ewch i 
[2]www.gwastan-gogcymru.org.uk am gyngor  ynglŷn â beth i’w wneud nesaf.

 

Please make sure that you regularly check your smoke alarm.  If you do not
have one, or find that the one that you do have is not working, call 0800
169 1234, e-mail [3][email address] or visit
[4]www.nwales-fireservice.org.uk for advice on what to do next.

 

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