Failure to respond to Parliament Petition after ir reached 10,000 signatures

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Dear House of Commons,on the website "Government petitions and Parliament" I t explains that the government responds when the petition reaches 10,000,

UK Government and Parliament
Closed petition
we require parliament to debate Lord Kilmuir's letter to Edward Heath

In this time of the future referendum the public knowledge of the letter should be discussed because although the evidence of the letter exists the content has never been debated in parliament.

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This petition is closed
All petitions run for 6 months
10,396 signatures
Government will respond
Government responds to all petitions that get more than 10,000 signatures

Waiting for 70 days for a government response

Date closed
3 September 2016
The response from the petitions committee received after about 20 days was that parliament has yet to respond. As you can see 70 days have now passed. I suspect that the letter sent from the petitions committee to parliament will either have a reason documented and attached to the letter or something handwritten on the letter giving instruction to anyone whose duty it is to respond. This matter is of great public interest because to date not one MP will discuss the content of the Kilmuir letter with their constituents. Please send me a copy of anything written.

Yours faithfully, John Timbrell.

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Dear Mr Timbrell,



Freedom of Information Request F16-449


Thank you for your request for information as copied below. In relation to
your petition entitled “We require Parliament to debate Lord Kilmuir's
letter to Edward Heath”, you indicated that you were still awaiting the
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john Timbrell left an annotation ()

For info. see notice that I sent to speaker of the house of commons.19/10/16

Dear Mr, Speaker/Mr. Bercow,
There is serious organised misconduct being conducted under your nose in the houses of parliament which affects the conduct of debates to the effect that it misleads the British people.

My petition on the parliament petitions site, "We require Lord Kilmuir's letter to Edward Heath to be debated in Parliament", reached the 10,000 figure when the government are supposed to comment on it 79 days ago.
A letter to the government from the parliament petitions committee asking why, remains unanswered, although I know it has been seen because there is some handwriting attached to the letter as my FOI to parliament shows.

There were 6 petitions regarding Brexit debated on Monday 17th September 2016 in Westminster Hall.
I tried to serve a notice on the Deputy speaker. wishing him to mention at the start of the debate, the existence and content of the Kilmuir letter. I believe the notice was illegally withheld because instead of the usual prompt answer from your central office my notice was given a ref. no.581283. The effect of the omission to introduce the content of the Kilmuir letter was to reduce the whole debate to a farce and act to deceive the British public.

Yesterday, 18th October 2016, a petition existed on the parliament petitions site viz. "Amend the Treason Felony Act to make supporting membership of the EU a Crime"
I make no comment on the wording or lawfulness of the petition because I know and understand the content of the Kilmuir letter. What I do wish to draw to your notice is that the petition quickly achieved 3,000 signatures.
Now if a member of the public wishes to sign it they find error messages stating that the petition does not exist.

Most, if not all, MPs know of the existence and content of the Kilmuir letter. Many, including myself, have wished their MPs to raise a point of order from the floor of the House with yourself asking you to rule how the content of the Kilmuir letter would affect our remaining a member of the EU.
I'm not a lawyer myself, but know as a common man that if an act of parliament or treaty if achieved by withholding facts that would affect the act or treaty, the act or treaty itself becomes null and void.Edward Heath admitted to the house and in his memoirs that he misled the house regarding loss of sovereignty.
Again as a common man I know that if one is exposed as doing something that is causing harm to another one has to stop doing that activity.

Again as a common man, I see the solution to follow the British vote to leave the EU as very simple.
All the statutes that gave away our sovereignty to another state should be declared by you in the house to be null and void. The laws affected would revert back to the previous laws as they were in 1972. This would no doubt cause much reaction in the stock market and money markets but with the certainty of where Britain's future lay, the return to normal would quickly follow whereas the probable three years of uncertainty would cause more long term damage .

I believe you as a man wished to remain in the EU. However you as Mr. Speaker have duties that require you to make sure the house follows the rule of law. I mean no offence serving this notice on you. You of course will know that if a man knows of the circumstances of treason he has to do all in his power to report it otherwis he commits the offence of misprison of treason.. You as Mr. Speaker have more duties. I urge you to follow the rule of law and your duties as Mr. Speaker. With all due respect JohnTimbrell
Cider Mill Cottage, Prossers wood. Drybrook. GL17 9EY

TO Mr. Speaker United Kingdom House of Commons.

i john of the family timbrell a living man born in England wish, require and order you Mr. Speaker to return my property. My property is your duty to expose the treason that the house of commons has been complicit in by giving away my sovereignty to a foreign power which is causing myself and other living men and women of the United Kingdom harm and alarm
signed electronically as allowed for under the civil procedure rules.
john of the family timbrell.

Circulated widely for my own protection.