Ex police investigators at IPCC

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Dear Independent Police Complaints Commission,

On the 6th of September 2011, IPCC Chair Len Jackson informed the Home Affairs select committee that 25% of IPCC investigators are ex police.

Can you please provide the figures in relation to this statement and the breakdown of each level for the role of investigator at IPCC.

Yours faithfully,

James Dunn

Phil Johnston, Independent Police Complaints Commission

Dear Mr Dunn,
This information is published in the IPCC annual report (available at http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/en/Pages/corp_rep... ) and is therefore reasonably accessible to you without recourse to section 1 of the FOIA. If you have any problems please let me know.

Philip Johnston
Directorate of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH
W: 020 7166 3000
F: 020 7166 3163

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Dear Phil Johnston,

Thankyou for your response, Ihave looked at document and cannot locate the information.

Can you please identify the information including breakdown by staff grade.

Yours sincerely,

James Dunn

Dear Phil Johnston,

It's ok Phil, I found the information;

Total Senior Investigator = 9 (88% ex police)
Total deputy senior inves = 27 (51% ex police)
Total Investigators = 85 (23% ex police)

When this is calculated it shows that 42% of IPCC staff investigators are ex police officer/civilian

Len Jackson the head of the IPCC stated to the Parliament Select Committee that this figure was 25%. As my original FOI request asked, can I have the figures to support this claim by the chair of the IPCC?

Yours sincerely,

James Dunn

Phil Johnston, Independent Police Complaints Commission

Dear Mr Dunn,

The information from the 2011/12 annual report (page 131) is as follows:

Employment history of investigators (all grades) 2010/11:

121 investigators (this includes investigators, deputy senior investigators and also senior investigators), of which 36 are former police officers & 14 are former members of police staff.

425 employees, of which 46 are former police officers & 45 are former members of police staff. As you will know from the annual report, these include members of the ICC Casework Directorate. Therefore:

Approximately 10% of our overall workforce and 30% of our investigators are ex-police officers.

At his evidence session in front of the Home Affairs Select Committee, Acting IPCC Chair Len Jackson said that just over a quarter of IPCC investigators are ex police officers. This is supported by the statistics above. Should you wish to read the transcript of this evidence session, we suggest you check the Parliamentary website.

I hope this is helpful.

Philip Johnston
Directorate of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH
W: 020 7166 3000
F: 020 7166 3163

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Dear Phil Johnston,

As you can see I have accessed the information in your annual report and made calculations as to the percentage of (ex) police officer/civilian.

These calculations, using your own figures gives a number of 42% of investigatory staff are ex police.

You have stated this is 'approximately' 30%. I am unsure of the margin of approximation that you are using, therefore would you be kind enough to confirm, supported by actual figures, the real percentage of ex police staff that are currently Investigators at the IPCC.

Yours sincerely,

James Dunn

Duncan Sharp left an annotation ()

James, I'm not sure your maths is right.
88% of 9 = 8
51% of 27 = 14
23% of 85 = 20

The IPCC has given figures of 40 police staff, whilst yours add up to 42. Even if we assume you're right, there are 121 IPCC investigators; 42 is 34.7% of 121.
If the IPCC are correct, the figure is 33%.

Duncan Sharp left an annotation ()

Pretty embarrassing, the easiest part of my maths was wrong. I'm pretty sure you're figures show the IPCC to have only 34% ex-police investigators, but the IPCC themselves have said that there are 50 - not 40 - ex-police, which as you said, gives a figure of 42%. My bad.

Mark Ritchie left an annotation ()

How on earth can it be right that such a number of police can get involved at the IPCC?? It is meant to be independent yet all I see is that the IPCC is just another off shoot of the police whereby they can then continue to cover up police wrongdoing and blatant criminal offences.

They should hang their heads in shame.

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