Enforcement of Emergency Protection Orders in association with Social Services

Mr Sam Hallimond made this Freedom of Information request to Suffolk Police Authority

This request has been closed to new correspondence from the public body. Contact us if you think it ought be re-opened.

The request was refused by Suffolk Police Authority.

Mr Sam Hallimond

Dear Suffolk Police Authority,

I am requesting a full disclosure in respect of the question's listed below;

1. On how many occasions have the police force be requested to attend with members of Social Services to enforce Emergency Protection Orders?

2. On how many case's of this type of intervention, were copies of these orders signed for by parents, in receipt of the child being removed?

3. On how many occasions have these orders been executed over the last 5 years?

4. In regards to these orders;
a) How many different social workers have been involved
with the extraction of children?
b) How many times have the same social workers names
recurred in association with extraction of children
and what were the names of these Public Service
agents?
c) How many different Judges have been involved in the
granting of these orders?
d) How many times have the same Judges names recurred
in association with extraction of children and what
were the names of these Judges.

5. On how many occasions have children been removed under direction of Social Services, and what were the reasons?

6. How many times have the police been able to give evidence to assist the parents, i.e by directly challenging a social worker?

7. Why are Suffolk Police either unable or unwilling, to investigate a member of Social Services?

8. How many times have police investigations against a Social Workers been denied?

9. In child care matters are people still policed by consent?

10. Is there a special agreement between police and social workers, granting the social workers immunity from prosecution or investigation?

11. Is the Justice Ruling now standard practise in the refusal of investigation, regarding Social Workers?

12. Are any members of Suffolk police force involved in Child Protection, members of Common Purpose? If so how many?

Yours faithfully,

Mr Sam Hallimond

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Sam,

Please note that your request has been forwarded to the Constabulary for a response. The Police Authority does not hold this information.

Ian Rands
Suffolk Police Authority

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Mr Sam Hallimond

Dear SPA SPA,

Can you please clarify what information you don't hold!Surely if there is police action, the police should have a record of it! If an Emergency Protection Order is issued through the Court, it is executed by police assisting Social Services!
Can you please explain, just at what point should that not be available as a police record? After all if the police are involved, will they not be called to give evidence?

I suggest a look deeper into files marked "Top Secret, Social Work File" would maybe show some light on the subject, alternatively please direct these questions to the public services that does know what its doing!

Yours sincerely,

Mr Sam Hallimond

INFORMATION,

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22 April 2010

Dear Sam Hallimond,

FREEDOM of INFORMATION ACT 2000

Thank you for your request for Information, received at this office on 21
April 2010, in which you requested details of the following:
Emergency Protection Orders

Your request will now be considered and you will receive a response within
the statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act, subject
to the information not being exempt or containing a reference to a third
party. In some circumstances Suffolk Constabulary may be unable to achieve
this deadline. If this is likely you will be informed and given a revised
time-scale at the earliest opportunity.

There may be a fee payable for the retrieval, collation and provision of
the information you request. If this is the case you will be informed and
the 20 working day timescale will be suspended until we receive payment
from you. If you chose not to make a payment then your request will remain
unanswered.

Some requests may also require either full or partial transference to
another public authority in order to answer your query in the fullest
possible way. Again, you will be informed if this is the case.

We anticipate being able to provide you with information that you have
requested by 20 May 2010.

Should you need to discuss this further please contact Samantha
Hutchinson, on 01473 782051.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your interest in
Suffolk Constabulary.

Yours sincerely,

Samantha Hutchinson
Senior FOI Assistant

Elaine Fisk
FOI Assistant

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Sam - I was trying to explain that your request has come to the Police Authority and not Suffolk Police (who do hold such information). You will be hearing from them.

If you are interested in the role of the Police Authority, please visit our website -

www.suffolkpoliceauthority.org.uk

Ian Rands
Suffolk Police Authority

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INFORMATION,

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Dear Mr Hallimond,

I refer to your recent Freedom of Information request, details below:

1. On how many occasions have the police force be requested to
attend with members of Social Services to enforce Emergency
Protection Orders?

2. On how many case's of this type of intervention, were copies of
these orders signed for by parents, in receipt of the child being
removed?

3. On how many occasions have these orders been executed over the
last 5 years?

4. In regards to these orders;
a) How many different social workers have been involved
with the extraction of children?
b) How many times have the same social workers names
recurred in association with extraction of children
and what were the names of these Public Service
agents?
c) How many different Judges have been involved in the
granting of these orders?
d) How many times have the same Judges names recurred
in association with extraction of children and what
were the names of these Judges.

5. On how many occasions have children been removed under direction
of Social Services, and what were the reasons?

6. How many times have the police been able to give evidence to
assist the parents, i.e by directly challenging a social worker?

7. Why are Suffolk Police either unable or unwilling, to
investigate a member of Social Services?

8. How many times have police investigations against a Social
Workers been denied?

9. In child care matters are people still policed by consent?

10. Is there a special agreement between police and social workers,
granting the social workers immunity from prosecution or
investigation?

11. Is the Justice Ruling now standard practise in the refusal of
investigation, regarding Social Workers?

12. Are any members of Suffolk police force involved in Child
Protection, members of Common Purpose? If so how many

In order for us to continue with your request, would you kindly offer some clarification on the following questions:

Q8 - Do you mean, that it is the Social Workers who have denied the investigation from taking place?

Q9 - If you can just clarify your question further, so we can establish exactly what you require?

Q11 - Please clarify what "justice ruling" you are referring to.

We have placed your request on hold for 60 working days, pending your clarification. If we have not heard from you by 22 July 2010, unfortunately your request will be closed and no further communication will be sent.

We look forward to hearing from you, and should you have any other queries please contact us.

Regards

Sam

Samantha Hutchinson
Senior FOI Assistant

Elaine Fisk
FOI Assistant

Suffolk Constabulary PHQ
01473 782051
[email address]

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Mr Sam Hallimond

Dear INFORMATION,

With regards to the questions you queried;

Q8. Yes, I do mean where social workers have added pressure, prevented investigation etc.

Q9. I am right in saying that the public is policed by consent? If so, is policing still under consent when involved in Child matters with Social services spurious allegations?

Q10. I thought you could help me with the "Justice Ruling", as this was mentioned in an email from Suffolk Police regarding the polices denial to investigate a social worker for Perjury! Is this a special agreement, maybe through "Common Purpose"?

Yours sincerely,

Mr Sam Hallimond

INFORMATION,

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Dear Mr Hallimond,

Many thanks for you clarification, could I just confirm with you that you are not requesting an internal review at this stage, as stated in your reply, rather you have provided further clarification for us to continue to process your initial request?

Many thanks in advance,

Regards

Sam

Samantha Hutchinson
Senior FOI Assistant

Elaine Fisk
FOI Assistant

Suffolk Constabulary PHQ
01473 782051
[email address]

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Mr Sam Hallimond

Dear INFORMATION,

I will be happy to not have an internal review at this time!

Yours sincerely,

Mr Sam Hallimond

INFORMATION, Suffolk Police Authority

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11 June 2010

Dear Mr. Hallimond,

Thank you for your request for information dated 21 April 2010 concerning
Emergency Protection Orders.

This is to inform you that all information relating to your request has
been collated my response is attached. This request is now complete and
shall be closed immediately.

Should any further information be requested regarding this topic, a
separate request will need to be submitted.

Should you need to discuss this further please contact Clair Pack, on
01473 613919.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your interest in
Suffolk Constabulary.

Yours sincerely,

Clair Louise Pack
Freedom of Information Coordinator

Suffolk Constabulary PHQ
01473 613919
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public to provide the best possible service and make Suffolk a safer place
to live. It has 10 key themes and sets out the standards of service
Suffolk Constabulary aspires to deliver. See our Policing Pledge in full
by clicking on
[2]http://www.suffolk.police.uk/NR/rdonlyre...
To find out further information relating to your local Safer Neighbourhood
Team click on:
[3]http://www.safersuffolk.org.uk

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Mr Sam Hallimond

Dear INFORMATION,

I have never waited so long for such a worthless pile of crap! It seems to me that Suffolk County Council blame you, and the police in turn blame the county council!

I guess this was just what I was expecting from a service, complicit in illegal child removal...

Yours sincerely,

Mr Sam Hallimond

James Moore left an annotation ()

Section 44-46 CA1989 (c. 41) puts the responsibility of emergency child protection squarely on the shoulders of the POLICE AUTHORITY. Therefore the POLICE AUTHORITY should have copies on record of EMERGENCY PROTECTION ORDERS with the mark and/or signature of the Judge or Recorder responsible for making the Order. Since this is recorded information and concerns matters of wide public interest, it should be made available via FOI.

Or do we have to go out of Jurisdiction and file a subpoena?

INFORMATION,

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Good Morning Mr Hallimond

I am sorry that you are not satisfied with the response that Suffolk Constabulary have provided. Prior to the instigation of an internal review, we endeavour to try and resolve any issues initially directly with the applicant.

I appreciate that the answers we have provided do not answer your enquiry sufficiently, I will make some enquiries and provide a more comprehensive reason as to why this information is simply not held by the Constabulary.

I hope this explanation will be sufficient but if not of course we will continue with the internal review.

I will hope to respond by the end of today.

Many thanks for your continued interest in Suffolk Constabulary

Clair Louise Pack
Freedom of Information Coordinator

Suffolk Constabulary PHQ
01473 613919
[email address]

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14 June 2010

Dear Mr. Hallimond,

I refer to your request for information dated 21 April 2010 concerning
Emergency Protection Orders.

I note your request for an internal review however, Suffolk Constabulary
aim to provide further advice and guidance where possible prior to the
instigation of a review. I attach a revised response, which I hope
explains in much more detail why this information is not held by the
Constabulary, rather held by the County Council.

I trust that this response is now sufficient however, please do let me
know if you still require the Constabulary to commence an internal review,
and this will be arranged accordingly.
Should you need to discuss this further please contact Clair Pack, on
01473 613919.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your interest in
Suffolk Constabulary.

Yours sincerely,

Clair Louise Pack
Freedom of Information Coordinator

Suffolk Constabulary PHQ
01473 613919
[1][email address]
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public to provide the best possible service and make Suffolk a safer place
to live. It has 10 key themes and sets out the standards of service
Suffolk Constabulary aspires to deliver. See our Policing Pledge in full
by clicking on
[2]http://www.suffolk.police.uk/NR/rdonlyre...
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James Moore left an annotation ()

Are we being told, contrary to the relevant section in CA1989 (c. 41), that a Local Authority has the sole responsibility and authority to apply for and act upon, Emergency Protection Orders? Might I suggest a reread of the relevant section and of Case Law, and realise that Suffolk Police Authority have just been caught in a bare-faced lie?

Here it is again: Section 46 CA1989 (c. 41) seats the responsibility of service of EPOs and removal of minors into emergency protection entirely and solely in the purview and oversight of the POLICE AUTHORITY within whose jurisdiction the case falls.

INFORMATION,

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17 June 2010

Good Afternoon Mr. Hallimond,

I refer to your request for information dated 21 April 2010 concerning
Emergency Protection Orders.

Please could you confirm whether or not you wish the Constabulary to
commence an internal review of our response, or whether the additional
information I have provided is sufficient.

If I do not receive any further correspondence I will assume the
information is sufficient and will close your request accordingly.
Should you need to discuss this further please contact Clair Pack, on
01473 613919.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your interest in
Suffolk Constabulary.

Yours sincerely,

Clair Louise Pack
Freedom of Information Coordinator

Suffolk Constabulary PHQ
01473 613919
[1][email address]
Our Policing Pledge is a commitment from Suffolk Constabulary to the
public to provide the best possible service and make Suffolk a safer place
to live. It has 10 key themes and sets out the standards of service
Suffolk Constabulary aspires to deliver. See our Policing Pledge in full
by clicking on
[2]http://www.suffolk.police.uk/NR/rdonlyre...
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Team click on:
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Mr Sam Hallimond

Dear INFORMATION,

YES! I am formally requesting an internal review.

Yours sincerely,

Mr Sam Hallimond

INFORMATION,

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17 June 2010

Dear Mr Hallimond,

I refer to your request for an internal review of your Freedom of
Information Act request number F-2010-01945
Please find attached a letter officially acknowledging your request for
review.

Should you need to discuss this further please contact Hayley Youngs, on
01473 613632.

Yours sincerely,

Clair Louise Pack
Freedom of Information Coordinator

Suffolk Constabulary PHQ
01473 613919
[1][email address]
Our Policing Pledge is a commitment from Suffolk Constabulary to the
public to provide the best possible service and make Suffolk a safer place
to live. It has 10 key themes and sets out the standards of service
Suffolk Constabulary aspires to deliver. See our Policing Pledge in full
by clicking on
[2]http://www.suffolk.police.uk/NR/rdonlyre...
To find out further information relating to your local Safer Neighbourhood
Team click on:
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Mr Sam Hallimond

Dear INFORMATION,

I look forward to the internal review!

Yours sincerely,

Mr Sam Hallimond

INFORMATION,

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19 August 2010

Dear Mr. Hallimond,

Thank you for your request for an internal review of FOI response
F-2010-01945 concerning Emergency Protection Orders, dated June 14.

This is to inform you that a decision has been made and a response is
attached.
Should you need to discuss this further please contact Hayley Youngs, on
01473 613632.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your interest in
Suffolk Constabulary.

Yours sincerely,

Clair Louise Pack
Freedom of Information Coordinator

Suffolk Constabulary PHQ
01473 613919
[1][email address]

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