Dear Transport for London,

In 2001 car tax rules were changed for road vehicles to be based on the amount of CO2 given out. The press is constantly barraged with requests like 'leave your car at home, take the bus' and roads are cluttered with half empty buses filling the air with a thick black fog every time they pull away from a set of traffic lights.

I appreciate that a request for the emissions of London buses would be far too wide and become exempt on rules for time taken to analyse the information so I shall make my request as specific as possible.

Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, I would like to know;
1. How much emissions in grammes of CO2 per km are given out from a standard double decker bus. For example the Arriva bus registration LJ03 MTU? I am assuming this bus is still in service. If this is not the case please use as an example the double decker bus model in most common use in London

2. How this compares to the new Volvo hybrid buses recently introduced onto London streets, with an equivalant CO2 figure? Example bus registration SN08 AAO

3. How much Road Tax is paid for each of these two buses to be on Public Roads?

I thank you in advance for your response and look forward to my response no later than the 13th January 2010, which is 20 working days from the date of this mail.

Yours faithfully,

Daniel Patrick

Transport for London

Our Ref : 1005506595

Date : 15.12.2009

Mr D Patrick

[FOI #24557 email]

Dear Mr Patrick

Thank you for your request for information dated 11/12/2009 which was
received by Transport for London on 14/12/2009. This request will be
dealt with under the terms of the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

We will aim to deal with your request promptly and provide you with a
response by 11/01/2009.

If you are unhappy with the response you receive, you may wish to use our
complaints procedure by writing to Beverley Hall, Head of Customer
Services & Consultation, at the address above, stating your concerns.

In the meantime, if you have any queries or would like to discuss your
request, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact us.

Yours sincerely

Hayley James

Correspondence Support Manager (Policy)

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Transport for London

Our Ref: 1005506595/kg

Date: 7th of January 2010

Dear Mr Patrick

Re: Emissions of London Buses

Thank you for your email received by Transport for London (TfL). You have
asked for information regarding the above subject. Your request is being
considered under the Freedon of Information Act. At present I am still
investigating the concerns you have raised.

I hope to be able to give you a full response within 15 working days.
Please accept my apologies for this delay and any inconvenience it may
cause you. In the meantime, if you have any queries relating to your
request, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Thank you for your patience in this matter.

Yours sincerely

Katherine Gotman

Customer Services

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Dear Transport for London,

Thank you for your message dated the 7th of January. Today is the 20th working day since my request. I appreciate that you have requested more time.
If it should be the case that any part of the request is made exempt, as it will be 30 working days from the original request, this will be noted in a request for an internal review and any future dealings in regards to this with the ICO.
In my experience extensions of time are only requested when the public authority cannot find reasons to withhold the information and they need more time to verify any exemptions.

I look forward to your response on or before the 3rd of February 2010.

Yours faithfully,

Daniel Patrick

Transport for London

 

Thank you for your email.  We can now confirm that this has been
received. 

 

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Feedback Policy including timescales, please see
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Patricia Mitchell, Transport for London

Please see response below, originally sent on 18.01.10

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Subject: London Buses Customer Services

Our ref: 1005506595/kg

Date: 18th of January 2010

Dear Mr Patrick

Thank you for your email received by Transport for London (TfL)
requesting information relating to the emissions of London buses.

Your request has been considered under the requirements of the
Freedom of Information Act and I can confirm that TfL does hold the
information you require. For ease of reference I have responded to
your query in the order your questions were asked.

London already has one of the cleanest, greenest bus fleets in the
country and we are committed to making London a greener place to
live and work. We began taking steps to reduce emissions from our
8000-strong bus fleet in 1998. By the end of 2005, two key targets
had been achieved:

o all buses had achieved a minimum of Euro II emission standards,
60% have now achieved Euro III standards and 14.1% are Euro IV or
better.

o all buses were fitted with a diesel particulate filter

Fitting a particulate filter has reduced emissions of some of the
most harmful air pollutants emitted by buses – fine particles,
carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons – by over 90%, contributing to a
substantial reduction in fleet emissions.

Since the filter programme was first started in 1999, this has
prevented 375 tonnes of soot particles – a principal cause of
respiratory disease – from polluting the atmosphere.

Additionally, we are in the process of trialling cleaner fuels and
technologies. There are currently 56 hybrid buses operating in
London’s bus fleet and we are due to have five hydrogen buses
entering the bus fleet later this year.

1. How much emissions in grammes of CO2 per km are given out from a
standard double decker bus. For example the Arriva bus registration
LJ03 MTU? I am assuming this bus is still in service. If this is
not the case please use as an example the double decker bus model
in most common use in London

We can’t comment on a specific bus on a route but our test data
indicates that a fairly typical Euro III double deck with a diesel
particulate filter produces 1384.3 grams per kilometre.

2. How this compares to the new Volvo hybrid buses recently
introduced to London streets, with an equivalant CO2 figure?
Example bus registration SN08 AAO

A new Volvo hybrid double deck bus emits 951.6g per kilometre.

3. How much Road Tax is paid for each of these two buses to be on
Public Roads?

Road tax is not set by TfL but by central government. The
information you request should be available on the Department for
Transport site or a section sealing with the DVLA. It is not a
subject we can comment on.

If this is not the information you are looking for, please do not
hesitate to contact me.

Please see below for details of your right to appeal as well as
information on copyright and what to do if you would like to re-use
any of the information we have disclosed.

Yours sincerely

Patricia Mitchell

Head of Customer Services

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of our decision. The internal review will be conducted by someone
who was not involved in the processing of your original request, in
accordance with the complaints procedure published on our website
at www.tfl.gov.uk/foi

Requests for internal review should be addressed to:

Head of Information Access and Compliance

Floor 5, Windsor House

42-50 Victoria Street

London

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Dear Transport for London,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Transport for London's handling of my FOI request 'Emissions of London Buses'.

I thank you providing the figures to part of my request. I would have thought however that TFL should pay for the road tax for their buses to be on London streets. By this I mean there should be a record of how much tax each bus commands because, as you have stated, there is a range in the emissions of London Buses. Please provide the requested figures unless through your response you are inferring that TFL do not directly pay road tax for their vehicles.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/em...

Yours faithfully,

Daniel Patrick

FOI, Transport for London

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03 February 2010

Dear Mr Patrick

Thank you for your email of 27 January 2010, in which you requested an
internal review of TfL's response to your Freedom of Information request.

From your email, your main concern appears to be TfL's response to your
question regarding vehicle tax. Having discussed this with the relevant
business area I can confirm that TfL does not hold the information on
vehicle tax as it is paid by the private bus companies that lease or
purchase vehicles for service in London.

The vehicle tax regime is the responsibility of central government and
details of the cost of vehicle tax for buses and larger vehicles is
available on the `Directgov' website
([1]http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Own...

I hope that this satisfies your query. If it is does not we are happy to
carry out a formal review of your request in accordance with the attached
procedure.

Kind regards

Matthew Towey | Compliance Adviser
Information Access & Compliance Team | Corporate Governance | Transport
for London

5th Floor, Windsor House, 42-50 Victoria Street, London SW1H 0TL
T: 020 7126 3063/ auto 63063

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Dear FOI,

I am slightly confused as to the ownership of buses in the London area. I believed that the red buses with Transport for London livery were owned and run by TfL. If this is not the case, and even these buses are owned by independant operators not covered by the FOI act then please accept my apologies for requesting unobtainable information. However if these buses are owned and run by TfL, then surely someone must pick up the bill for the road tax. If this is the case I will look to submit a new request for information around the lines of total number of buses in the Tfl fleet in a given recent year and the total paid for road tax in the same year. This will give me a rough estimate of cost per appliance.
The reality of the situation is I find it disgusting that a modern economical car like my own can be charged £240 a year for road tax, when a bus giving out 7x the equivalent CO2 is charged about £330 (This figure is from a tax disc in the window of a bus recently spotted in Sheffield).

Yours sincerely,

Daniel Patrick

FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Patrick

Thank you for your email.

It may help if I explain that London Buses, which is part of TfL, manages bus services in London. It plans routes, specifies service levels and monitors service quality. It is also responsible for bus stations, bus stops and other support services. The bus services themselves are operated by private operators, which work under contract to London Buses. Transport for London do not own any buses. They are owned by the private operating companies who run London’s bus services on our behalf.

Applying this to your request, this means that TfL does not hold information relating to vehicle tax for buses.

I hope this information is of assistance.

Kind regards

Matthew Towey | Compliance Adviser 
Information Access & Compliance Team | Corporate Governance | Transport for London
5th Floor, Windsor House, 42-50 Victoria Street, London SW1H 0TL
T: 020 7126 3063/ auto 63063

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Dear FOI,

Thanks for the clarification and the link to the bus tax website. Please consider this request closed.

Thank you for your clarity and concise nature of responses.

Yours sincerely,

Daniel Patrick

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