ELQ

Damien Shannon made this Freedom of Information request to Higher Education Funding Council for England

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From: Damien Shannon

21 August 2010

Dear HEFCE,

I am writing to you regarding your current ELQ policy with respect
to 5 year Medical Degree courses.

The regulatory requirements you are required to adhere to are
described in The Education (Student Support) (No. 2) Regulations
2008, as per the following link:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2008/uksi_20...

The policy of HEFCE and the Student Loans Company with respect to
ELQ and Medicine is described in the following link:

http://www.hefce.ac.uk/learning/faqs/hes...

To quote:

"The second edition of the Framework for Higher Education
Qualifications in England, Wales and Northern Ireland states (in
paragraph 43) that the final outcomes of first degrees in medicine,
dentistry and veterinary science typically meet the expectations of
the descriptor for a higher education qualification at Level 7.
However, for ELQ purposes only, these qualifications should
continue to be treated as if they were at Level 6."

I am requesting, under the Freedom of Information Act, that you
supply me with the following information:

1) When was the decision taken by the HEFCE to treat Medicine for
ELQ purposes as if it had Level 6 learning outcomes? Please include
details of all meetings at which this was discussed, including
times, dates etc.

2) Please supply the minutes of all meetings at which this issue
was discussed and - most pertinently - at the meeting where the
final decision was taken.

3) Please supply copies of all evidence incorporated into the
evaluation of the learning outcomes of Medical degrees, including
correspondence with Professionals, Universities, the Student Loans
Company, the QAA and any and all Government Departments (including
their Ministers and Civil Servants).

4) Finally, please provide a full justification of the legal
reasoning (according to the regulations linked to above) as to why
the Higher Education Funding Council for England is treating
Medical Degrees for the purposes of ELQ as if they had Level 6
learning outcomes.

Yours faithfully,

Damien Shannon

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From: Alison MADGE (7270)
Higher Education Funding Council for England

24 August 2010

Dear Mr Shannon

Thank you for your request for information under the Freedom of Information Act, which we received yesterday (23 August). We will send our response as soon as possible and no later than 20 working days as required by the Act.

Best wishes
Alison

Alison Madge
Information Rights Manager
Higher Education Funding Council for England
Northavon House, Coldharbour Lane,
Bristol, BS16 1QD
email: [email address]

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From: Alison MADGE (7270)
Higher Education Funding Council for England

20 September 2010


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Dear Mr Shannon,

Please find attached our response to your request for information under the FOIA.

Best wishes,
Alison

Alison Madge
Information Rights Manager
Higher Education Funding Council for England
Northavon House, Coldharbour Lane,
Bristol, BS16 1QD
email: [email address]

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From: Damien Shannon

21 September 2010

Dear Alison,

I entirely accept HEFCE's response to this Freedom of Information
Request. I agree with the exemptions applied regarding personal
data.

Would you be so kind as to pass the following message on to Mr
West-Taylor?

'Thank you for what was quite clearly a time consuming response to
my Freedom of Information request.

It has been highly useful and instructive to receive your
clarifications on the technicalities surrounding this issue. Please
appreciate that, at the time which I submitted these 'triple lock'
FoI requests (one to HEFCE, one to BIS and one to the SLC), it was
not at all clear from the student's perspective where this policy
anomaly originated from.

It has also been the case that interested students have conflated
the HEFCE policy with the administration of student finance by the
SLC (indeed I had conflated the two myself).

I have made it clear through social media that there is a
technical, legal and administrative distinction to be drawn (based
on your response). Once BIS have replied and we have a clearer idea
of the realities of this mystery, I will ensure that the medical
press afford sufficient weight to the outcome so that the apparent
policy discrepancy is finally clarified.'

Yours sincerely,

Damien Shannon

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