Ejection Seat Modification Status

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Dear Ministry of Defence,

I refer to the collision over the Moray Firth on 3rd July 2012 between two Tornado GR4 aircraft.
Can you advise as to whether the ejection seats fitted to the aircraft were pre or post modification 02198?

Yours faithfully,

James Jones

DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please find attached response to your recent freedom of information
request from the Ministry of Defence.

 

Yours Sincerely,

 

Eleanor

 

Eleanor Preece

Defence Equipment and Support Secretariat

 

 

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Dear DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER),

Many thanks for your reply, dated 30th Nov. As a follow-up request, can you provide me with the servicing record sheets/logs for the four Mk10 seat assemblies involved in the Moray Firth Tornado collision? The sheets/logs should cover the period from the date of mod 02198 embodiment to 3rd July 2012.

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please find attached letter in response to your request for information
from the Ministry of Defence.

 

Regards,

Eleanor

 

Eleanor Preece | DE&S Secretariat | Air

 

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Dear DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER),

This request is not vexatious. It has been submitted in order to provide the Lord Advocate’s office with essential information in his review of a Fatal Accident Inquiry into the 2012 Tornado collision over the Moray Firth.

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Jones,

 

Your enquiry of today has been forwarded to the MOD Information Rights
Compliance Team.  You have stated that your request was submitted in order
to "provide the Lord Advocate’s office with essential information in his
review of a Fatal Accident Inquiry into the 2012 Tornado collision over
the Moray Firth".  

 

If you are submitting the request on behalf, or under the authority of,
the Lord Advocate the Freedom of Information Act may not be the most
appropriate mechanism to use. The Lord Advocate's Office is a Public
Authority in its own right under the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act
2002. There is an established convention that the Ministry of Defence
follows in meeting requests for information from other UK based Public
Authorities, under which we would provide information required for
official purposes outside of any FOI legislation. This convention allows
Public Authorities to share information required for the effective conduct
of public affairs that might not normally be released publicly.  

 

We would be grateful if you could clarify if you are making the request on
your own authority, or are formally acting on behalf of the Lord Advocate.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

MOD Information Rights Compliance Team

Dear CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER),

A meeting took place on 1st May at the Scottish Crown Office between myself, Richard Lochead MSP and Mr David Green, Head of the Scottish Fatalities Investigation Unit. It was made clear by Mr Green that it was important that all relevant information relating to the 2012 Tornado collision be collated so that the Lord Advocate can make a final decision regarding a renewed call for an FAI into the accident.

Subsequent to that meeting I advised Mr Green that certain important documents are being withheld from me on the grounds that my requests are considered to be vexatious. I asked him to intervene but he has advised me that I should pursue the matter as advised under rights to review; hence my latest request.

So in answer to your final point, I am technically making the request on my own authority in order to provide David Green, and ultimately the Lord Advocate with essential technical data. Should you decline this latest request I will advise Mr Green of the alternative method of obtaining the documents

Yours sincerely

James Jones

CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

PSA replacement copy for previous issue which contained an erroneous email
address.   Sorry for the delay.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

MOD Information Rights Compliance Team

 

Dear CIO-FOI-IR (MULTIUSER),

I welcome the outcome of the review into my request.

I understand your decision based on associated costs and ask, as an alternative, that the relevant parts of the revised maintenance/servicing schedules resulting from the 02198 modification be made available.

I also ask that enquiries listed in the annex as Ser. Nos 1,2,3 and 5 be relogged and answered.

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Thank you for your email dated 14 July 2018. I am writing to confirm
receipt and to advise that the five elements of your request will be
treated separately under the following reference numbers:

 

 1. That the relevant parts of the revised maintenance/servicing schedules
resulting from 02198 modification be made available - FOI2018/09739.

 

 2. Is it possible to receive the tier 1 document, as the report that you
have sent to me indicates that tier 1 and tier 2 should be read
together - FOI2018/09742.

 

 3. Following the Red Arrow incident, involving the death of Flt Lt
Cunningham, it was recommended that modifications should be made to
ejection seat safety pin and the seat pan firing handle. Can you
advise what modifications were finalised, and if they have now been
embodied - FOI2018/09745.

 

 4. What mitigation was put in place to avoid a tether strike? Clearly the
risk was not ALARP without CWS – FOI2018/09748.

 

 5. Further to my earlier email of this date can you advise me as to what
is meant on page 2 by a) ALARP(T) and b) (not all are) –
FOI2018/09749.

 

All have a statutory 20 working day target date of 14 August 2018.

 

I hope this is helpful.

 

Yours Sincerely,

DE&S Secretariat

 

 

DE&S Secretariat

Ministry of Defence

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DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please find attached an official response to FOI request FOI2018/09742.

 

Yours Sincerely,

DE&S Secretariat

 

 

DE&S Secretariat

Ministry of Defence

Maple Level 0a #2043 | MoD Abbey Wood South | Bristol | BS34 8JH

 

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From: DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER)
Sent: 20 July 2018 12:10
To: [FOI #444054 email]
Subject: 20190720-Freedom_of_Information_Requests

 

Dear Mr Jones,

 

Thank you for your email dated 14 July 2018. I am writing to confirm
receipt and to advise that the five elements of your request will be
treated separately under the following reference numbers:

 

 1. That the relevant parts of the revised maintenance/servicing schedules
resulting from 02198 modification be made available - FOI2018/09739.

 

 2. Is it possible to receive the tier 1 document, as the report that you
have sent to me indicates that tier 1 and tier 2 should be read
together - FOI2018/09742.

 

 3. Following the Red Arrow incident, involving the death of Flt Lt
Cunningham, it was recommended that modifications should be made to
ejection seat safety pin and the seat pan firing handle. Can you
advise what modifications were finalised, and if they have now been
embodied - FOI2018/09745.

 

 4. What mitigation was put in place to avoid a tether strike? Clearly the
risk was not ALARP without CWS – FOI2018/09748.

 

 5. Further to my earlier email of this date can you advise me as to what
is meant on page 2 by a) ALARP(T) and b) (not all are) –
FOI2018/09749.

 

All have a statutory 20 working day target date of 14 August 2018.

 

I hope this is helpful.

 

Yours Sincerely,

DE&S Secretariat

 

 

DE&S Secretariat

Ministry of Defence

Maple Level 0a #2043 | MoD Abbey Wood South | Bristol | BS34 8JH

 

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DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Thank you for your email of 14 July. You will find attached an official
response to FOI2018/09739.

 

Yours Sincerely,

DE&S Secretariat

 

 

DE&S Secretariat

Ministry of Defence

Maple Level 0a #2043 | MoD Abbey Wood South | Bristol | BS34 8JH

 

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Dear DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER),

Many thanks for your reply. The highlighted sections of the worksheets are of great help. Can you advise me as to the revision date of the worksheets?

I note the emphasis is on the BTTDFU but it was my understanding that this unit was replaced by the Gas Fired Time Delay Unit (GFTDU) under Mod 02198. Can you advise? Also, are there diagrams to go with the worksheets? There is constant references to item numbers which I assume relates to a drawing(s).

All the worksheets relate to bay servicing, is it possible to be provided with aircraft servicing documentation covering seat fitment including cartridges?

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Thank you for your email of 14 July. You will find an official response to
request FOI2018/09745 attached.

 

Yours Sincerely,

DE&S Secretariat

 

 

DE&S Secretariat

Ministry of Defence

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DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Jones,

I would be grateful if you could please clarify, in relation to part four of your request (aircraft servicing documentation covering seat fitment including cartridges), whether you are looking for the exact maintenance procedure used at a specific time, or whether you are requesting the current procedure?

Yours Sincerely,
DE&S Secretariat

DE&S Secretariat
Ministry of Defence
Maple Level 0a #2043 | MoD Abbey Wood South | Bristol | BS34 8JH

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Dear DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER),

I am looking for pre and post mod 02198, and the amendment date.

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

Dear DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER),
Your reply on 7th August to my question on ejection seat modifications has the wrong covering letter, and only covers the safety pin. What action was taken to prevent inadvertent routing of straps through the firing handle?

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

Please accept my sincere apologies for issuing an incorrect covering letter on 7th August and thank you for bringing this to my attention. I attach the correct version, which I believe covers your question below regarding strap routing.

Yours Sincerely,
DE&S Secretariat

DE&S Secretariat
Ministry of Defence
Maple Level 0a #2043 | MoD Abbey Wood South | Bristol | BS34 8JH

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Air-DRes Sec-ParliBusiness (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please find attached the response to your request of 12 December 2017
asking about terminology.

 

Air-DRes Sec 3a1

Air Command Secretariat

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Spitfire Block

HQ Air Command

RAF High Wycombe

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Air-DRes Sec-ParliBusiness (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please find attached the response to your FOI request asking about
mitigation for tether strike.

 

Paul Webb

Air-DRes Sec 3a1

Air Command Secretariat

Rm 2E027

Spitfire Block

HQ Air Command

RAF High Wycombe

HP14 4UE

 

 

 

 

DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please find attached an official response to FOI10382.

 

Yours Sincerely,

DE&S Secretariat

 

 

DE&S Secretariat

Ministry of Defence

Maple Level 0a #2043 | MoD Abbey Wood South | Bristol | BS34 8JH

 

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Dear DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER),

Many thanks for your very detailed reply. As a follow-up request, can you advise me as to the modification state of the four Mk10 seat assemblies involved in the Moray Firth Tornado collision?

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Please find attached an official response to your recent Freedom of
Information request – FOI2018/11366.

 

Yours Sincerely,

DE&S Secretariat

 

 

DE&S Secretariat

Ministry of Defence

Maple Level 0a #2043 | MoD Abbey Wood South | Bristol | BS34 8JH

 

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Dear DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER),

The answer given on 30th Nov 2017 related to just one modification, 02198. The Maintenance Procedures supplied on 4th Sep 2018 refers to several modifications relevant to the Mk 10A ejection seat.

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Jones,

Thank you for your email.

Please could you clarify specifically which modifications your initial question seeks information on?

Many thanks,
DE&S Secretariat

Ministry of Defence
Maple Level 0a #2043 | MoD Abbey Wood South | Bristol | BS34 8JH

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Dear DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER),

There are several listed in the servicing proceeduress, but 02198 and 02197 are the main ones

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER), Ministry of Defence

Dear Mr Jones,

Thank you for clarifying.

As you already have the information regarding 02198, I will re-log this request for information regarding mod 02197 and you will receive a response within 20 working days.

Yours Sincerely,
DE&S Secretariat

DE&S Secretariat
Ministry of Defence
Maple Level 0a #2043 | MoD Abbey Wood South | Bristol | BS34 8JH

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Dear DES Sec-FOI (MULTIUSER),

Please could I have a copy of Aircraft Maintenance Manual Chapter 29 Emergency Equipment, DAP 101B-4104-EP Issue 42, November 2013.

Yours sincerely,

James Jones

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