EAST CROYDON - Traffic Impacts - CANNING ROAD CLOSURE - TMAC Report 11 Oct 2017

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Dear Croydon Borough Council,

On 11 Oct 2017, the council's Traffic Management Advisory Committee decided to impose northbound road closures to motor vehicles in both Canning Road and Addiscombe Court Road at their junctions with Addiscombe Road.

Please provide the following information.

1 - The council admit that the problems in Addiscombe Court Road result from making Lebanon Road one-way.
Reversing the one-way working in Lebanon Road would solve most of the issues in Addiscombe Court Road.
Why did the council not consult on reversing the one-way working here?.

2 - Why does the map on page 155 of the agenda which shows this area have Clyde Road shown as two-way when is one-way southbound throughout?
http://bit.ly/2zRXaGY

3 - The council refer to traffic data for this area.
Please provide all traffic data that the council has for speed and volume of traffic in the consultation area, ie bounded by: and including the A232, the A222 and Ashburton Road - see weblink above.
This should be in XLS format.

4 - Why does the report make no attempt to quantify expected changes to traffic patterns?
How can the committee make a sensible and informed decision without this key information?

5 - §4.1 refers to 35 emails "in support of the proposals", but does not break this number down.
How many mentioned supporting the one way in Canning Road?
How many mentioned supporting the one way in Addiscombe Court Road?
How many mentioned supporting the one way in both roads?
How many of these 35 were from individuals and how may from groups?

6 - Of the 84 objectors,
How many mentioned objecting to the one way in Canning Road?
How many mentioned objecting to the one way in Addiscombe Court Road?
How many mentioned objecting to the one way in both roads?
How many of these 84 were from individuals and how may from groups?

7 - §4.5 states "Journey times are likely to increase, in particular for residents of Addiscombe Court Road and Canning Road as one end of their street will no longer be accessible to them."
How many address points are there in Addiscombe Court Road and Canning Road? How many are on the electoral roll in each of these roads?
Why does this not mention residents of Cedar Road and roads off it, including the whole of Lebanon Road?
Do they not lose out badly if trying to reach Woodside or other points to the north?
How many address points are there in Cedar Road and the roads off it,, including the whole of Lebanon Road? How many are on the electoral roll in each of these roads?
How many parking spaces are there marked in each of this group of roads, including the whole of Lebanon Road?

8 - Mike Barton stated at the meeting that council dustcarts operator Veolia prefer one-way streets to two-way.
Please provide any evidence the council has to support this claim.

He implied that Veolia supported this scheme.
Did Veolia make any response to the opportunity to object, and if so what was it and why is this not mentioned in the report?

9 - Currently council dustcarts can service roads as below.
UP - Clyde Road
DOWN - Canning Road
UP - Lebanon Road
DOWN - Addiscombe Court Road
ALONG - Oval Road
This only involves two very short lengths of double running, and only passing through the Chepstow Road tram crossing once.
Please provide the distance along the road here - from the start of Clyde Road to the end of Oval Road, having made the full run above.

With the new scheme, there is no simple way to serve these 4 roads
Please provide the council's suggested or recommended route for a delivery or collection vehicle such as a council dustcart to follow.

This is one option - can the council improve on this?
UP - Clyde Road
DOWN - Elgin Road
UP - Canning Road
DOWN - Elgin Road
UP - Addiscombe Court Road
DOWN - Elgin Road
UP - Lebanon Road
UP - Park Hill Road
Back down Addiscombe Grove
ALONG - Oval Road
This means passing through the Chepstow Road tram crossing there times and then the Cherry Orchard Road tram crossing. It means using Elgin Road three times.
Please provide the distance along the road here - from the start of Clyde Road to the end of Oval Road, having made the full run above.

10 - Consider a delivery van needing to serve addresses near the mid -point of these roads.
Outran Road
Canning Road
Lebanon Road

Currently you can go
UP - Outram Road
DOWN - Canning Road
UP - Lebanon Road
This order can be reversed if starting from the north west.

Alternatively if starting to the south:
DOWN - Canning Road
UP - Lebanon Road
DOWN - Outram Road

What route does the council suggest or recommend with the new layout?
From the south
DOWN - Outram Road
UP - Canning Road
DOWN - Elgin Road
UP - Lebanon Road

From the north
UP - Lebanon Road
DOWN - Elgin Road
UP - Canning Road
DOWN - Outram Road

There are numerous other possible groups of roads to service here with similar issues.

11 - What traffic volume data does the council have for the Chepstow Road tram crossing, and the Cherry Orchard one?
How far back does traffic typically queue on the A232 / A222 in each direction?
How long is the typical delay at peak times for each movement?
Is there any spare capacity at either junction to accommodate more traffic?
If currently there are 200 vehicles an hour using Park Hill Road to access roads north of Addiscombe Road, what would be the impact of an extra 100 vehicles approaching each of these junctions from the south?
Would it be around 500 metres of extra queue?
Would such a queue impact badly on other key junctions along the A232?

Yours faithfully,

Michael Douglas

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Dear Freedom of Information,

Thank you for your reply.

However in that reply, you mention embedded files which I cannot find.
Please email separate copies of these.

Yours sincerely,

Michael Douglas

Dear Freedom of Information,

On 20 Dec 2017 I asked you to provide copies of the files which you say are embedded but which I cannot find.

It is long time that this had been addressed.

Yours sincerely,

Michael Douglas

Information, Croydon Borough Council

Dear Mr Douglas,

I am sorry to hear that you have been unable to find the embedded documents.

I have reattached the Councils response.

Embedded documents are under Q3 and Q8.

Please let us know if you have any further issues locating them.

Kind regards.

Jo

Jo Welch-Hall
Information Support Officer

Resources Department
Customer Transformation and Communications Services
7th Floor, Zone B
Bernard Weatherill House
8 Mint Walk
Croydon CR0 1EA

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Information, Croydon Borough Council

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Dear Mr Douglas,

I am sorry to hear that you have been unable to find the embedded documents.

I have reattached the Councils response.

Embedded documents are under Q3 and Q8.

Please let us know if you have any further issues locating them.

Kind regards.

Jo

Jo Welch-Hall
Information Support Officer

Resources Department
Customer Transformation and Communications Services 7th Floor, Zone B Bernard Weatherill House
8 Mint Walk
Croydon CR0 1EA

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Dear Information,

I cannot find or extract the files from the embedded document.
Please provide these as separate files - as I have now asked twice already.

Yours sincerely,

Michael Douglas

Information, Croydon Borough Council

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Dear Mr Douglas,

Please find attached the files you requested.

Kind regards.

Jo

Jo Welch-Hall
Information Support Officer

Resources Department
Customer Transformation and Communications Services
7th Floor, Zone B
Bernard Weatherill House
8 Mint Walk
Croydon CR0 1EA

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Dear Information,

Thank you for the data.

Why was data only collected for Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and the columns for Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday left empty?
Why then are there 5 day and 7 day totals shown, when only 4 days were surveyed?
So the 5 day totals are really 2 day ones?

It seems the council collected data from these roads.
Could you please confirm that this list is correct, and notably that there is no site 1 or site 25?

Site 2 - COLSON ROAD
Site 3 - BLAKE ROAD
Site 4 - BLAKE ROAD
Site 5 - BISENDEN ROAD
Site 6 - CHISHOLM ROAD
Site 7 - LEBANON ROAD
Site 8 - ADDISCOMBE COURT ROAD
Site 9 - CANNING ROAD
Site 10 - CLYDE ROAD
Site 11 - ELGIN ROAD
Site 12 - HAVELOCK ROAD
Site 13 - OUTRAM ROAD
Site 14 - ASHBURTON ROAD
Site 15 - ASHBURTON ROAD
Site 16 - OUTRAM ROAD
Site 17 - HAVELOCK ROAD
Site 18 - ELGIN ROAD
Site 19 - CLYDE ROAD
Site 20 - CANNING ROAD
Site 21 - LESLIE PARK ROAD
Site 22 - LESLIE PARK ROAD
Site 23 - OVAL ROAD
Site 24 - CEDAR ROAD
Site 26 - PARK HILL ROAD
Site 27 - PARK HILL RISE

The roads below appear to be omitted from the traffic data.

BRICKWOOD ROAD
TUNSTALL ROAD
Please confirm that these roads were not included in the traffic data collected.
Was this for a reason, or was it an error - please explain.

Please confirm that these roads were not included in the traffic data collected.

FAIRFIELD ROAD
PARK HILL ROAD, south of the A232
CHEPSTOW ROAD
ADDISCOMBE ROAD (west of Chepstow Road)
ADDISCOMBE ROAD (east of Chepstow Road)
ADDISCOMBE GROVE
CHERRY ORCHARD ROAD
LOWER ADDISCOMBE ROAD

Given that the proposed scheme would impact on traffic on these roads - as the TMAC report says traffic congestion would increase here, please explain why traffic data was not collected for these key traffic routes.

How is it possible to evaluate the scheme and its successes and failures without this key data?

Complaints have been made that the scheme has already made traffic congestion worse on Addiscombe Grove, and along the A232 - Barclay Road - Fairfield Road - Chepstow Road.
What data does the council have or propose to collect to evaluate the validity of these complaints?

Yours sincerely,

Michael Douglas

Dear Information,

I wrote on 15 Feb 2018 asking further questions.

I am surprised and disappointed not to have heard back from you.

Please confirm what has happened with my enquiry.

Yours sincerely,

Michael Douglas

Information, Croydon Borough Council

Dear Mr Douglas,

Thank you for your email.

The further questions were passed to our Highways department. I have chased them up and will get back to you as soon as I get a response.

Apologies for the delay.

Kind regards.

Jo

Jo Welch-Hall
Information Support Officer

Resources Department
Customer Transformation and Communications Services
7th Floor, Zone B
Bernard Weatherill House
8 Mint Walk
Croydon CR0 1EA

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