Documents Cllr Mike Jones is referencing regarding minimum housing requirement

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Dear Cheshire West and Chester Council,

I've seen Cllr Mike Jones refer several times to "documents" the developers have provided the Council outlining a requirement for 1800 or more new dwellings per year.

Please provide me with the documents Cllr Jones is refering to.

Yours faithfully,

Ross Jones.

Cheshire West and Chester Council

Dear Mr R Jones


Thank you for your request for information about Cllr M Jones, which we received on 12th September 2013. We are dealing with your request under the Environmental Information Regulations 2004.
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Ray McHale left an annotation ()

The motion that went to the second Full Council on Tuesday - regarding the Local Planning - may be some help. It refers to the Housing needs issues for the area. There may also be stuff in the current Local Plan consultation that has just been launched.

Ross Jones left an annotation ()

Thanks Ray. I've already been through all the background papers with a fine tooth comb - some bits currently make no sense. Cllr Jones keeps defending the Council's current minimum housing need figure by saying the developers want even more than 1100 per year (i.e suggesting the Council is compromising). However, with the Council already admitting themselves 1,100 is above local need, I'd be curious to see how developers are trying to justify 1,800 or more, presumably fully in the knowledge 1,800 per year is ridiculously high - so I assume the developers want a high figure to keep the annoying legal argument that we are not meeting our identified need for housing development (in turn leading to an easy ride through the planning system and continued land banking).

N.Siddle left an annotation ()

I have only had a brief squint at the latest LDF documentation,. I can't access it at present but from memory,the housing figure does seem to be creeping up again (I think the 21000 has risen to 22000 by 2020? without any explanation)and is far above the more recent demand figures which were produced in May. Also seem to have reverted to re-counting any previous years' 'shortfalls' against ridiculous targets. The figures to which MJ refers MAY have come from submissions to the SHLAA which are purely speculative. It does seem that the whole system is being skewed in favour of the developers who want to land bank rather than build and sell at affordable prices.
You will need to keep pushing to get the basis of the info that MJ is claiming. It will not be given willingly so that it can be scrutinised.


N.Siddle left an annotation ()

Clarification of earlier note:- Under sect 5 Spatial Strategy para 5.1 of the LDF, it says 'The plan seeks to support a level of growth higher than that required to meet local needs. The key elements of the council's strategy are the delivery of 22,000 new homes' (by 2030). Para 5.2 refers to 21000 but still refers back to the revoked and discredited RSS figures which were based on pre recession economic ambitions and population figures thatndate back to the 2001 (NOT 2011)census.

The whole LDF agenda is being driven by something other than real objectivety about the needs of the borough.

FOI West, Cheshire West and Chester Council

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    1575096 Cheshire Warrington Sub Regional Housing Study November 2012.pdf

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Dear Mr Jones


Thank you for your request for information of 12 September 2013 which has
been logged as 1575096 under Environmental Information Regulations 2004. I
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For the purpose of clarity,  I have reproduced your request:


I've seen Cllr Mike Jones refer several times to "documents" the
developers have provided the Council outlining a requirement for 1800 or
more new dwellings per year.


Please provide me with the documents Cllr Jones is referring to.


We believe the document being referred to is the Cheshire and Warrington
Sub-Regional Housing Study (Nov 2012). This was produced by Barton
Willmore on behalf of a consortium of developers. It was submitted to the
Council during the consultation on the Local Plan Preferred Policy
Directions, in the autumn of 2012. It suggests that Cheshire West and
Chester Council should pursue a housing target of 1,600 dwellings per
annum as a minimum. (A figure of 1,800 is proposed for Cheshire East).

A copy of the above mentioned document is attached.


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N.Siddle left an annotation ()

This reliance on and repetition of absurdly high figures that the developers have punted indicates just how much Jones is in thrall to them. In no way can these figures be classed as 'objective' - they are a greedy 'wish list'

Darren left an annotation ()

I am sorry but the Solutions Team should have started by asking Cllr Jones directly. They imply that they have not done so as they state..."We believe the document being referred to is the Cheshire and Warrington Sub-Regional Housing Study (Nov 2012).". The clue being "We believe".

This is NOT answering the questions raised by the FOI and is guesswork or could be seen as misdirection. The content may contain various figures but there is no point looking at those if they are not the source of his comments!

For the purposes of an FOI the answers need to be factual. May I suggest you take this further.

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