Dismissal of Chief Constable

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fFaudwAtch UK (Account suspended)

Dear Humberside Police and Crime Commissioner,

I would like disclosing all relevant information to which the Commissioner must comply when taking steps to Dismiss the Chief Constable.

Yours faithfully,

fFaudwAtch UK

SPOC PCC, Humberside Police and Crime Commissioner

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fFaudwAtch UK (Account suspended) left an annotation ()

Let's hope we see evidence of the newly elected Police and Crime Commissioner's promise of replacing the Chief Constable if there is no improvement in the force.


"He labelled Chief Constable Justine Curran as 'virtually invisible' and said he will give her 'a limited time' to convince him she can turn the force around."

Johnson, Louise, Humberside Police and Crime Commissioner

Dear Sir, the procedures for a police and crime commissioner to suspend or remove a chief constable are set out in Schedule 8 to the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011. The information you are seeking is therefore exempt under Section 21 of the Freedom of Information Act, because the information is accessible to you, as it is already in the public domain and can be found here http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011...

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Yours sincerely

Louise Johnson

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fFaudwAtch UK (Account suspended)

Dear Ms Johnson,

Thank you for the web links.

Can you please acknowledge whether or not the following letter to the Commissioner has been received?


The Police and Crime Commissioner for Humberside
Pacific Exchange
40 High Street


Dear Mr Hunter


I wrote to Mr Grove with optimism in January 2013 believing that with Humberside Police being held to account by an elected Commissioner, the public would have a more effective means of seeking redress than when the Police Authority was responsible.

It was apparent soon enough that the elected Commissioner didn’t have the powers to do what the public perhaps believe he could. Either that, or the route of least resistance was taken, which in my case was to suggest considering civil redress as a remedy for concerns raised about the Chief Constable failing to address the corruption in handling fraud allegations i.e., refusing to investigate and subsequently mishandling complaints and appeals.

It is illogical when you consider the force’s limited resources that at the same time an unpaid taxpayer has supplied concrete evidence to prove a crime for that person to be fobbed-off and lied to with appeals prolonging over several years with no substance to back up negative outcomes when a decision has eventually been made. The fact that this is happening raises the question of whether the force has its hands tied, to the point where an investigation into local government is a no go area, i.e., the force operates on a discriminatory basis.

None of these issues have been resolved; rather further more serious matters have arisen since where similarly there appears no end in sight, being again embroiled in continual dispute with the force. The force is again failing to resolve the concerns with paperwork being diverted through the same sham process where it is predicted that in a year or two the force will have done nothing except cover for the authorities and to have added to the years of my time that the police have already wasted.

The most serious matter concerns Humberside police stitching me up with fabricated evidence (now having a criminal record and a £600+ fine to pay) for an offence I am innocent of. The suspected motivation being that I had got on the wrong side of the police by highlighting matters in which the force is complicit concerning substantial fraud. In relation to this there has been no outcome and probably not even any steps taken to investigate the police officer complained about for incitement of perjury over the 6 month period since the matter was formally reported. Humberside police also refuses to record as a crime the reported incident, i.e., that submitted about two witnesses lying in their witness statements.

Another matter arising relates to the force responding to a reported crime (perjury to defraud) by stating that such a crime, one punishable as an offence whether occurring in criminal or civil proceedings, was a civil matter. North East Lincolnshire Council obtained a liability order for non-payment of council tax and evidence is held that it lied to the court in a witness statement to do so and consequently costs awarded to the council were obtained fraudulently.

A request was made for the matter to be escalated for the attention of the Chief Constable in order that the anticipated dissatisfaction of a subsequent decision would be subject to external scrutiny rather than the force investigating itself. The force proceeded regardless and the matter dealt with under the Local Resolution process with the outcome (13 January 2016) stating that the issues may be appeal points that could be raised at any subsequent appeal hearings and that the force did not investigate allegations of perjury unless a request to do so comes from the court.

These were spurious statements because the matter is criminal and not something you can appeal to another judge in civil proceedings. In any event, the Crown Prosecution Service's website states that the police do not have to be instructed by the court to investigate perjury.


Where a judge or magistrate believes that some evidence adduced at trial is perjured s/he can recommend that there should be a police investigation.

The absence of such recommendation does not mean that there is no justification for an investigation.”

The outcome of Local Resolution process has been appealed with the paperwork submitted 25 January 2016 but six months from the original complaint being made on 12 November 2015 there is still no outcome or any update.

When a member of the public is deemed to have committed an offence (even without or with fabricated evidence) a criminal prosecution is it instituted. However, when it's a council officer committing perjury to defraud a member of the public even when there is concrete evidence, the force falls over itself to protect the council officer from the justice system.

My evidence goes far beyond what would be required to prove the perjury case against the council, yet a blind eye is turned to that crime. On the other hand, the CPS gets away with having successfully secured a prosecution against me on fabricated evidence that even an untrained person would have spotted inconsistencies.

It is no revelation to declare that police officers having to investigate their colleagues fuels the problem, but there is a systematic abuse of the complaints and appeal process that needs to be escalated for the attention at the highest level. There must be some action which can be taken which can make an impact on reforming the dysfunctional process. Though the process is governed by statutory procedures and for that reason outside interference is restricted, the existence of the statutory complaints process should not be seen by the force as an excuse for unaccountability, even though that is in effect what the process enables.

It can not have been parliament's intention when legislating the relevant Act, that all the concerns of the public should be opposed as a matter of course merely on account of there being a complaint and series of appeal processes. There comes a point when an outside body should consider it appropriate to intervene, if not the appeal process, at least the abuse of it.

It appears you have been elected on what could be interpreted to be an undertaking, in part, to root out the corruption within Humberside Police. I would like therefore to see evidence of that with an investigation into the (invisible) Chief Constable's failings who has apparently in order to make life easy for herself, adopted the Ostrich approach rather than confronting failings and providing the public who pay her salary the service they’ve paid for.

Yours sincerely,

fFaudwAtch UK

Johnson, Louise, Humberside Police and Crime Commissioner

Dear Sir, the correspondence that you reference below has not been received in this office. I note that you have addressed it to Pacific Exchange. We moved from that address in August 2014 and we are now based at the Lawns, Harland Way, Cottingham HU16 5SN.

As this is not an FOI request it would not be appropriate for me to respond to the content of your message via this website. If you would like to contact me via a personal email address you will receive a response.

Yours sincerely

Louise Johnson

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fFaudwAtch UK (Account suspended)

Dear Ms Johnson,

Thank you. The letter (yesterday) was returned to me after surviving what appears an elaborate journey.

It is now back in the system correctly addressed to the P&CC.

Yours sincerely,

fFaudwAtch UK

fFaudwAtch UK (Account suspended) left an annotation ()

Generic letter tinkered with a little for the response, addressing none of the concerns:


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