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Dear Office for National Statistics,

I am writing to you under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 to request the following information from Office of National Statistics

I would be most grateful if you would supply me with the following information.

According to the NHS Covid 19 death report w/e 03 December 2020 the number of people who died from covid 19 with a pre existing condition was 39801 and the number with no pre existing condition was 1804. This is a gap of 37997.

This gap is not reflected in the ONS figures, in fact the gap between your figures is 9135 but bizarrely in the opposite direction.

I am aware of the documents available online explaining the difference between ONS and NHS figures, however none of these documents explain the gap in these two groups. I feel it is valid to ask for an explanation as to how this gap of 37997 people seems to disappear when displayed buy the ONS/Gov.uk/MSM.

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Thank you for your time and I look forward to your response.

Yours faithfully,

Mark Oakford

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Dear Mark

 

Thank you for your email requesting data pertaining to difference between
NHS and ONS figures.

 

I am writing to confirm that the Office for National Statistics has now
completed its search for the information which you requested.

You asked:

​According to the NHS Covid-19 death report w/e 03 December 2020, the
number of people who died from Covid-19 with a pre-existing condition was
39801 and the number with no pre-existing condition was 1804. This is a
gap of 37997.

This gap is not reflected in the ONS figures, in fact the gap between your
figures is 9135 but bizarrely in the opposite direction.

I am aware of the documents available online explaining the difference
between ONS and NHS figures, however none of these documents explain the
gap in these two groups. I feel it is valid to ask for an explanation as
to how this gap of 37997 people seems to disappear when displayed by the
ONS/Gov.uk/MSM.

 

We said:

​Thank you for your enquiry.

Unfortunately, without a link to the figures to which you are referencing
in your request, we are unable to comment on the quoted disparities.
However, please see the following information we have available regarding
the difference between NHS and ONS figures and our COVID-19 data.

Our mortality data is taken from the death certificate. There is an 11-day
lag in our data compared to NHS and Public Health England data, due to
time taken for certification, registration (up to 5 days), coding, and
processing.

Please see the following publication, [1]Deaths involving COVID-19,
England and Wales, which provides information from March to June 2020.
Please note, this publication has been now been paused. This publication
states that between March and June 2020, there have been 4,476 deaths
involving COVID-19 where there are no pre-existing conditions.            
                                                                

Table 6a: Number of deaths involving COVID-19 by main pre-existing
condition, sex and age, England and Wales, deaths occurring between March
and June 2020 1,2,3,4,5,6,7                                              
                                                                         
                                                   

+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Country |Sex |Age |Main pre-existing |Number of deaths|
| | | |condition | |
|-----------------+-------+-----+-----------------------+----------------|
|England and Wales|Persons|0-44 |No pre-existing |101 |
| | | |condition | |
|-----------------+-------+-----+-----------------------+----------------|
|England and Wales|Persons|45-49|No pre-existing |91 |
| | | |condition | |
|-----------------+-------+-----+-----------------------+----------------|
|England and Wales|Persons|50-54|No pre-existing |123 |
| | | |condition | |
|-----------------+-------+-----+-----------------------+----------------|
|England and Wales|Persons|55-59|No pre-existing |227 |
| | | |condition | |
|-----------------+-------+-----+-----------------------+----------------|
|England and Wales|Persons|60-64|No pre-existing |230 |
| | | |condition | |
|-----------------+-------+-----+-----------------------+----------------|
|England and Wales|Persons|65-69|No pre-existing |293 |
| | | |condition | |
|-----------------+-------+-----+-----------------------+----------------|
|England and Wales|Persons|70-74|No pre-existing |407 |
| | | |condition | |
|-----------------+-------+-----+-----------------------+----------------|
|England and Wales|Persons|75-79|No pre-existing |519 |
| | | |condition | |
|-----------------+-------+-----+-----------------------+----------------|
|England and Wales|Persons|80-84|No pre-existing |699 |
| | | |condition | |
|-----------------+-------+-----+-----------------------+----------------|
|England and Wales|Persons|85-89|No pre-existing |802 |
| | | |condition | |
|-----------------+-------+-----+-----------------------+----------------|
|England and Wales|Persons|90+ |No pre-existing |984 |
| | | |condition | |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+

 

Within our [2]Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales,
provisional we provide a breakdown of COVID-19 deaths.  We use the term
"due to COVID-19" when referring only to deaths where that illness was
recorded as the underlying cause of death. We use the term "involving
COVID-19" when referring to deaths that had that illness mentioned
anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not.

 

Deaths involving and due to COVID-19, England and Wales, deaths registered
in 2020

+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|Week no.|Deaths involving COVID-19 |Deaths due to COVID-19 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 1 |                             |                                 |
| |     -   |      -   |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 2 |                             |                                 |
| |     -   |      -   |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 3 |                             |                                 |
| |     -   |      -   |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 4 |                             |                                 |
| |     -   |      -   |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 5 |                             |                                 |
| |     -   |      -   |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 6 |                             |                                 |
| |     -   |      -   |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 7 |                             |                                 |
| |     -   |      -   |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 8 |                             |                                 |
| |     -   |      -   |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 9 |                             |                                 |
| |     -   |      -   |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 10 |                             |                                 |
| |     -   |      -   |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 11 |                             |                                 |
| |      5 |       5 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 12 |                             |                                 |
| |   103 |     95 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 13 |                             |                                 |
| |   539 |    519 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 14 |                             |                                 |
| |3,475 | 3,332 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 15 |                             |                                 |
| |6,213 | 5,983 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 16 |                             |                                 |
| |8,758 | 8,435 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 17 |                             |                                 |
| |8,237 | 7,867 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 18 |                             |                                 |
| |6,035 | 5,689 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 19 |                             |                                 |
| |3,930 | 3,664 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 20 |                             |                                 |
| |3,810 | 3,511 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 21 |                             |                                 |
| |2,589 | 2,341 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 22 |                             |                                 |
| |1,822 | 1,628 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 23 |                             |                                 |
| |1,588 | 1,392 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 24 |                             |                                 |
| |1,114 |    948 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 25 |                             |                                 |
| |   783 |    629 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 26 |                             |                                 |
| |   606 |    498 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 27 |                             |                                 |
| |   532 |    408 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 28 |                             |                                 |
| |   366 |    291 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 29 |                             |                                 |
| |   295 |    228 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 30 |                             |                                 |
| |   217 |    161 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 31 |                             |                                 |
| |   193 |    148 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 32 |                             |                                 |
| |   152 |    115 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 33 |                             |                                 |
| |   139 |    104 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 34 |                             |                                 |
| |   138 |     98 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 35 |                             |                                 |
| |   101 |     76 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 36 |                             |                                 |
| |    78 |     69 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 37 |                             |                                 |
| |    99 |     78 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 38 |                             |                                 |
| |   139 |    118 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 39 |                             |                                 |
| |   215 |    178 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 40 |                             |                                 |
| |   321 |    279 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 41 |                             |                                 |
| |   438 |    385 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 42 |                             |                                 |
| |   670 |    590 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 43 |                             |                                 |
| |   978 |    874 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 44 |                             |                                 |
| |1,379 | 1,196 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 45 |                             |                                 |
| |1,937 | 1,743 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 46 |                             |                                 |
| |2,466 | 2,170 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 47 |                             |                                 |
| |2,697 | 2,361 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 48 |                             |                                 |
| |3,040 | 2,637 |
|--------+-----------------------------+---------------------------------|
|Week 49 |                             |                                 |
| |2,835 | 2,469  |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+

 

Source: Office for National Statistics – Deaths registered weekly in
England and Wales

 

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