Directors, Shareholders & Beneficial Owners

Raymond:St.Clair made this Freedom of Information request to Sussex Police

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Raymond:St.Clair

Dear Sir or Madam,

It has been brought to my attention that Sussex Police is a limited company with the company number: UC3385480 so shown at companies house.

I would be grateful if you could confirm to me the following information, all of which, according to the Companies Act 1985 (As amended 2006) should be in the public domain:

1. Who are the current board of directors.

2. Who are the shareholders of this commercial entity

3. Who are the beneficial owners of this commercial entity

4. If there is a parent company holding equity in this commercial entity then please name that parent company(s).

Yours faithfully,

Raymond:St.Clair

Sussex Police

Dear Mr St. Clair

Please find attached our reply to your FOI request

Regards

FOI Disclosure Officer
Access to Information Team
Corporate Development Department
Sussex Police HQ | Church Lane | LEWES | BN7 2DZ
Telephone 0845 60 70 999 Ext. 44557 Direct dial: 01273 404334
www.sussex.police.uk

Sussex Police - Serving Sussex

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Access to Information Team
Corporate Development Department
Sussex Police HQ | Church Lane | LEWES | BN7 2DZ
Telephone 0845 60 70 999 Ext. 44124
www.sussex.police.uk

Sussex Police - Serving Sussex

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the person and organisation to whom it is addressed. If you have
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possible. If you are not the named recipient you may not copy it, or
make use of any information contained in it for any purpose, or disclose
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hostile to those who discriminate on the grounds of race, religion, skin
colour, sexual orientation, disability, gender, social class or any
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Raymond:St.Clair

Dear Sir or Madam,

I acknowledge your response of 20th however I am somewhat perplexed at your answer at it appears to be wholly incorrect at the least and deliberatley misleading at the worst. I therefore seek further clarification.

I agree that Sussex Police do not appear in the UK Companies House, I did not use companies house in my original search and therefore I am confused as to why you used companies house in attempt to prove your point and you completely ignored the sources that I did use and quote in my original letter.

However the record (or lack thereof at companies house) does not constitute irrefutable proof that Sussex Police isn't a Limited Company as this fact (and I use the word "fact" correctly) is evidenced by the records at Duport (www.Duport.co.uk)

There are other registers including the one above that contain clear records of Sussex Police Limited and show the company number to be UC3385480 (and NOT 3385480) as you seemed to think that I gave you in my original request.

For the avoidance of doubt I have copied the screenshots of those results to the following locations so that you and the public can see clearly that your information about Sussex Police not being a limited company is wholly incorrect.

http://www.raymondstclair.com/?p=35
http://tpuc.org/content/sussex-police-wh...

This then begs the obvious questions:

1. Why would you appear to deliberately lie about the corporate status of theses companies.

2. Why would these companies belisted in these registers if they were not in fact limited companies along with many other police forces limited company numbers that are contained in these registers.

3. Why did you use the company number without the UC Classification when I clearly entered the correct UC number and furnished you with that information.

4. Why did you completely ignore the evidence of the records on other registers and choose only to use Companies House when I did not mention that register.

I look forward to your futher clarification on these important points. I would appreciate if you would base your answer upon the evidence I have supplied and not try to use other, irrelevant sources in your response.

Sincerely, Without ill will, frivolity or vexation.

Raymond of the family St.Clair
Freeman on the Land.

Sussex Police

Dear Mr Sinclair

Thank you for your email which I have taken to be seeking an internal
review of your FOI request.

Sussex Police are unable to alter our position that the information
requested is not held by Sussex Police. I can categorically state that
Sussex Police are not in any way a limited company and therefore we do
not have any Directors, Shareholders or Beneficial Owners. This
position is confirmed by our Head of Finance and Companies House.

Addressing the points made in your email:-

1. There is no lie - Sussex Police are not a limited company.

2. Although outside of the remit of this review, I have spoken to Duport
to ascertain why we are listed on their database. They confirm that we
are listed but they state that the UC prefix indicates that the listing
is Unincorporated. The source of their data is an organisation called
ICC (www.icc.co.uk). I have spoken to ICC who have confirmed that we
have a listing with them but that the source of our listing was NOT from
Companies House. It appears that the listing has been made from data
they have taken from local telephone directories (such as the Thomson
Local) and no inference should be taken from the information that we are
in any way a limited company. ICC have agreed today to remove our
listings from their database as clearly we should not be there.
Having also spoken to Dun & Bradstreet they also confirm that no
inference that we are a company should be taken from the fact we appear
on their database. Again they take data from a number of sources and
they include listing for community organisations, charities and others
within their database. Therefore I would have to dispute that the
evidence you quote is factual with regard to Sussex Police.

3. I would refer you back to our reply where we state "The company
number you quoted does not exist on their database, nor is there any
listing in the name of Sussex Police or any variation thereof."
Clearly, we did check the number UC3385480 to find there was no trace of
it on the Companies House database. The number was checked minus
the UC prefix as a double check and returned the details of the
dissolved company from Brighton.

4. In your original request you stated " It has been brought to my
attention that Sussex Police is a limited company with the company
number: UC3385480 so shown at companies house." You provided no other
evidence to support this statement so we used Companies House as you had
quoted. Companies House are the definitive register of companies and it
is a legal requirement that any company be registered with them. As we
are not a company we are not required to register and therefore we have
no listing at Companies House.

Please note that this email is our final response in respect of this FOI
request. If you remain dissatisfied with this response you have the
right to request a further review by the Information Commissioner
Office. They can be contacted at The Information Commissioners Office,
Wycliffe House, Water Lane, WILMSLOW, Cheshire, SK9 5AF. Telephone
08456 306 060. Email [email address] Website www.ico.gov.uk

Yours sincerely

Peter Burtenshaw
Information Compliance Manager

Access to Information Team
Corporate Development Department
Sussex Police HQ | Church Lane | LEWES | BN7 2DZ
Telephone 0845 60 70 999 Ext. 44124 Direct dial: 01273 404049 [mobile number]
www.sussex.police.uk

Sussex Police - Serving Sussex

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possible. If you are not the named recipient you may not copy it, or
make use of any information contained in it for any purpose, or disclose
its contents to any other person.

Messages sent and received by Sussex Police are not private and may be
the subject of monitoring.

Sussex Police actively builds a culture in our force which is overtly
hostile to those who discriminate on the grounds of race, religion, skin
colour, sexual orientation, disability, gender, social class or any
other inappropriate factor. If you have received this email and believe
that it is racist, homophobic, sexist, defamatory, offensive, illegal or
otherwise inappropriate you can report it by forwarding it to
[email address]

Sussex Police is committed to becoming a more environmentally
responsible organisation. Please don't print this e-mail unless you
really need to - but if you do, print double-sided.

jon left an annotation ()

They are talking rubbish. (As per usual) All police forces, magistrates' courts, and in fact all so-called "government" agencies, are Companies trading for profit, as evidenced by Dun and Bradstreet. It is a grand illusion that these agencies are here to serve the people, they are here to confiscate money and property, for the benefit of the Elite. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Raymond:St.Clair left an annotation ()

Yes I know - this is just the usual "lies and Rhetoric" that we get from them!

david ophalus left an annotation ()

you lot look like truth nuts. the response they gave is perfectly reasonable and true according to my research too, along with many other peoples.

the Police and all other Governmental authorities take on the form of a corporate hierarchy and system because it is much easier to operate in a Capitalist economy, but it doesnt make them a commercial operation. Major Raymond St.Clair conman deluxe - you should know this one, as you have owned and do own so many Limited companies... why would you be worried about all this?

but does anyone of reasonable wit actually think that just because the Government take money from the people that they are public-owned? yes, the Police take an Oath, but when they are Officers, they push the Legislation element of Law, which is immaterial. But remember, you DO consent to it if you're on the Electoral Register and other Government registrations. You need to make it clear you want nothing to do with the Government, but even then, how can you stop them from taking you away by use of force?

if you go back far enough in history, you will all see that Great Britain was signed off to slavery a long time ago. i just dont see that any of this noise will make the people of this island stand up for what is right.

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