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Dear West Midlands Police,

In relation to the last 12 month period that records are held,

1. how many times have West Midlands police used their police powers to take a child to a place of safety?

2. In relation to the children relevant to question 1, how many were taken to:
A. foster care
B. Birmingham Children's Hospital
C. A hospital other than Birmingham Children's Hospital
D. A police station
E. another location.

3. In relation to children that were deemed to need detention under the Mental Health act when police powers were exercised:
a. how old were the children concerned?
B. how many were held in a police station overnight?
C. How many were admitted to Parkview hospital?

D. How many were admitted to an adult psychiatric ward?
E. how many were admitted to a children's psychiatric ward other than Parkview?
F. How many were refused admittance?

Yours faithfully,

Sophie

Freedom of Information,

Dear Ms Palmer

 

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT 2000

 

Thank you for your request for information, received 04/11/2013
concerning Police using powers to take children to a place of safety.
 This request is being handled under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

 

I am writing to ask you to clarify your request. This is because we need
further details from you in order to identify and locate the information.

 

Therefore I should be grateful if you would provide clarification as to
what you mean by a place of safety, are you referring to the police use of
S.136 of the Mental Health Act or the use of police protection where a
child appears to be at risk of significant harm?

 

To enable us to proceed with your request I would be grateful if you could
provide the clarification outlined above. After receiving your reply, your
request will be considered and you will receive a response within the
statutory timescale of 20 working days, as defined by the Act, subject to
the application of any statutory exemptions. If you choose not to respond
then your request will remain unanswered.

 

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

Andrea Mobberley

Freedom of Information Unit

Information Services

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Dear Freedom of Information,

My question refers to both police powers under the children act and police powers under the mental health act.

If data is held in such a way that it is only practical to fully answer my
Question by considering the Mental Health Act, then please respond as if I have only asked about s136 of MHA 1983 powers.

Yours sincerely,

Sophie

Dear Freedom of Information,

If possible please provide information relating to both the children act and the mental health act powers. Otherwise please provide information relating to police powers under s136 of Mental Health Act only.

Yours sincerely,

Sophie

Freedom of Information,

Dear Ms Palmer

 

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT 2000

 

 

Thank you for your request for information received 04/11/2013. This
request has been handled under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

 

REQUEST

 

In relation to the last 12 month period that records are held,

 

1.   how many times have West Midlands police used their police powers to
take a child to a place of safety?

 

2.  In relation to the children relevant to question 1, how many were
taken to:

A.  foster care

B.  Birmingham Children's Hospital

C.  A hospital other than Birmingham Children's Hospital

D.  A police station

E.  another location.

 

3.  In relation to children that were deemed to need detention under the
Mental Health act when police powers were exercised:

a. how old were the children concerned?

B.  how many were held in a police station overnight?

C. How many were admitted to Parkview hospital?

 

D. How many were admitted to an adult psychiatric ward?

E.  how many were admitted to a children's psychiatric ward other than

Parkview?

F. How many were refused admittance?

 

RESPONSE

 

Our data are not organised in such a way as to allow us to provide this
information.

 

The cost of compliance with your request is above the amount to which we
are legally required to respond, i.e. the cost of locating and retrieving
the information would exceed the appropriate costs limit under section 12
of the Freedom of information Act 2000. For West Midlands Police, the
appropriate limit is set at £450, as prescribed by the Freedom of
Information and Data Protection (Appropriate Limit and Fees) Regulations
2004, S.I. 3244.

 

A public authority which, in relation to any request for information, is
relying on a claim that section 12 applies must, within the time for
complying with Section 1(1), give the applicant a notice stating that
fact. In accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000, this letter
acts as a refusal notice.

 

However rather than refusing your request outright at this stage, I would
like to explore with you how West Midlands Police may best assist you to
request relevant information which we hold. We could locate and extract,
within the cost limit, the number of children subject of police protection
for the period 01/11/2012 – 31/10/2013.

 

To enable us to proceed with your request I would be grateful if you could
confirm whether you wish us to provide the information outlined above.
After receiving your reply, your request will be considered and you will
receive a response within the statutory timescale of 20 working days, as
defined by the Act, subject to the application of any statutory
exemptions. If you chose not to respond then your request will remain
unanswered.

 

Your attention is drawn to your right to request a re-examination of your
case under West Midlands Police review procedure, which can be found at:

 

http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/pdf/F...

 

Please note that such an appeal must be received within 40 working days of
the date of this correspondence.

 

If you require any further information, then please do not hesitate to
contact me.

 

 

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

Andrea Mobberley

Freedom of Information Unit

Information Services

Tel: 0345 113 5000 ext 7630 6667

 

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Dear Freedom of Information,

Please could you answer the question in relation to children who were detained by police under the Mental Health Act, rather than under the Children Act. Please provide as much information as possible.

Yours sincerely,

Sophie

Freedom of Information,

Dear Ms Palmer

As previously stated below, we could locate and extract, within the cost limit, the number of children subject of police protection for the period 01/11/2012 – 31/10/2013. We are unable to provide details of those children detained under the Mental Health Act.

Please let me know if this would satisfy your request.

Many thanks

Andrea Mobberley
Freedom of Information Unit
Information Services
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Dear West Midlands Police,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of West Midlands Police's handling of my FOI request 'Detaining Children with Police Powers'.

My question clearly relates to children who have been detained under the mental health act. Are you saying that you make no records when the police are party to the detention of a child under the mental health act? Surely there are required procedures that Police have to use when exercising their powers under the mental health act. What happens to the information? Is it destroyed? Stored? Passed on to another organisation? Please provide as much information as possible.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/d...

Yours faithfully,

Sophie

Freedom of Information,

Dear Ms Palmer

 

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT 2000 REQUEST REFERENCE No: 4298/13

 

Thank you for your email received 28 November 2013 where you requested
West Midlands Police to review its response to your request for
information concerning children arrested under the Mental Health Act.

 

REQUEST

 

In relation to the last 12 month period that records are held,

 

1.   how many times have West Midlands police used their police powers to
take a child to a place of safety?

 

2.  In relation to the children relevant to question 1, how many were
taken to:

A.  foster care

B.  Birmingham Children's Hospital

C.  A hospital other than Birmingham Children's Hospital

D.  A police station

E.  another location.

 

3.  In relation to children that were deemed to need detention under the
Mental Health act when police powers were exercised:

a. how old were the children concerned?

B.  how many were held in a police station overnight?

C. How many were admitted to Parkview hospital?

 

D. How many were admitted to an adult psychiatric ward?

E.  how many were admitted to a children's psychiatric ward other than
Parkview?

F. How many were refused admittance?

 

 

DECISION UNDER THE TERMS OF THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT

 

A review has been conducted and the decision is upheld. To provide all the
detail requested would require a manual search of all the relevant files.
Such a search would exceed the appropriate limit (FOIA, s.12 (1)).

 

However we could provide, within the cost limit, the following

 

Data from our Public Protection Unit on the number of children subject of
police protection for period 01/11/12 - 31/10/13

 

The number of people aged under 18 who have been arrested under the Mental
Health Act between 01/04/12 and 31/10/13.

 

To enable us to proceed with your request I would be grateful if you could
confirm whether you wish us to provide the information outlined above.
After receiving your reply, your request will be considered and you will
receive a response within the statutory timescale of 20 working days, as
defined by the Act, subject to the application of any statutory
exemptions. If you chose not to respond then your request will remain
unanswered.

 

REASON FOR DECISION

 

If locating and extracting the data for any one part of a request exceeds
the appropriate limit, then the whole request is deemed to do so. While,
under our duty to assist, we have offered to provide the data outlined
above, the cost of compliance with the whole of your request is above the
amount to which we are legally required to respond, i.e. the cost of
locating and retrieving the information would exceed the appropriate costs
limit under section 12 of the Freedom of information Act 2000. For West
Midlands Police, the appropriate limit is set at £450, as prescribed by
the Freedom of Information and Data Protection (Appropriate Limit and
Fees) Regulations 2004, S.I. 3244.

 

A public authority which, in relation to any request for information, is
relying on a claim that section 12 or section 14 applies must, within the
time for complying with Section 1(1), give the applicant a notice stating
that fact. In accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000, this
letter acts as a refusal notice.

 

Therefore if you wish me to provide the data outlined above please let me
know within 20 working days.

 

If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have
the right to apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a
decision. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: Information
Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9
5AF

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

 

Carl Bird

Freedom of Information Unit

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Dear Freedom of Information,

I look forward to receiving the information you have available.

Yours sincerely,

Sophie

Freedom of Information,

Dear Ms Palmer

 

FOI Request Reference:5021/14

 

Further to your email, received 13 May 2014 concerning police powers and
child safety,  I am pleased to enclose the following information.  Please
note that these data are the closest we hold to your request. They should
not be interpreted as representing anything other than as described in
this response.

 

REQUEST

 

Data from our Public Protection Unit on the number of children subject of

police protection for period 01/11/12 - 31/10/13

 

The number of people aged under 18 who have been arrested under the Mental

Health Act between 01/04/12 and 31/10/13.

 

RESPONSE

 

Data from our Public Protection Unit on the number of children subject of

police protection for period 01/11/12 - 31/10/13

 

  =761

 

The number of people aged under 18 who have been arrested under the Mental

Health Act between 01/04/12 and 31/10/13.

 

= 0

 

 

 

Every effort is made to ensure that the figures presented are accurate and
complete. However, it is important to note that these data have been
extracted from a number of data sources used by forces for police
purposes. The detail collected to respond specifically to your request is
subject to the inaccuracies inherent in any large scale recording system.
As a consequence, care should be taken to ensure data collection processes
and their inevitable limitations are taken into account when interpreting
those data.

 

The figures provided therefore are our best interpretation of relevance of
data to your request, but you should be aware that the collation of
figures for ad hoc requests may have limitations and this should be taken
into account when those data are used.

 

If you decide to write an article / use the enclosed data we would ask you
to take into consideration the factors highlighted in this document so as
to not mislead members of the public or official bodies, or misrepresent
the relevance of the whole or any part of this disclosed material.

 

As recommended as good practice by the Information Commissioner’s Office a
version of this response may be published on the West Midlands Police
website.

 

Your attention is drawn to your right to request a re-examination of your
case under West Midlands Police review procedure, which can be found at:

 

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If you require any further information, then please do not hesitate to
contact me.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

 

 

Susan Brown

Freedom of Information Unit

Tel: 101

ext: 7630 6781

email. [email address]

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