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From: Linda Kirby

5 July 2011

Dear Supreme Court of the United Kingdom,

If someone has a criminal record for affray and given Community
service in 1994, are they allowed to continue to be a show judge
mixing with Children, using their first married name, not the name
they were sentenced under?

Yours faithfully,

Linda Kirby

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From: Achow, Ann

5 July 2011

Dear Ms Kirby,

Thank you for your enquiry. The Freedom of information Act provides for
you to request recorded information held by a public authority. Your
request does not fall within the scope of the Act because you are
seeking advice, not requesting recorded information. Your query is,
therefore, being treated as a general enquiry. As the Supreme Court does
not give advice on legal matters I am sorry that I am unable to answer
your query.

You may be able to find the answer by referring to the internet or
accessing legal books concerning child protection which you may be
able to obtain from your local library.

Yours sincerely,

Ann Achow (Mrs)
Departmental Records Officer
The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom
Parliament Square
London
SW1P 3BD

Tel: 020 7960 1983

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Charlotte Peters Rock left an annotation ( 5 July 2011)

Quote-marks This cop-out response is typical of public servants who are completely out of control.

The request seems to be perfectly obvious: it is for and answer in respect of the law.

If the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom knows nothing about the Law, why do we employ anyone to work within its buildings?

I suggest that you go back and ask again, stressing that you want to know about law, and they should know about law.

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Linda Kirby left an annotation ( 5 July 2011)

Quote-marks Does anyone know anything about the law, or do they just make it up as they go along?

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From: Linda Kirby

5 July 2011

Dear Supreme Court of the United Kingdom,

I asked if a person had been given community service for affray,
would they still be free to be a Judge in a Pony show where
obviously children are taking part?

I would have thought that your office would know what the law is
about something like this.

Many thanks

Yours faithfully,

Linda Kirby

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From: Achow, Ann

5 July 2011

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From: Achow, Ann

6 July 2011

Dear Ms Kirby,

Thank you for your e mail.You have asked for an internal review of your
freedom of information request. As I explained to you in my reply
yesterday your request did not fall under the scope of the FOI Act and
was answered as a general enquiry. The internal review provisions apply
only to information supplied under the FOI Act so you are not entitled
to request an internal review.

In my reply I did not say that the Court does not know what the law is
on this matter but I did explain that we do not give legal advice. If
you require legal advice you should consult a solicitor. Alternatively
your local Citizens Advice Bureau may be able to help you or, as I
suggested yesterday, you may be able to obtain the information you
require from legal books or the internet.

Yours sincerely,

Ann Achow (Mrs)

Departmental Records Officer
The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom
Parliament Square
London
SW1P 3BD

Tel: 020 7960 1983

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Ruairi left an annotation (15 September 2011)

Quote-marks Ms Kirby;

You must realise that affray is not dealt with at Supreme Court level - it can be tried in either the Crown Court or the Magistrates Court depending on the choice of the defendant. Most of the time, this sort of case is not appealed as high as the Supreme Court because there are no grounds for appeal. For probable sentences for affray, I refer you to the following:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sente...

Further, the claim "they make it up as they go along" is not entirely correct. The Courts do make landmark decisions, and these are recorded as case law, which is used by other judges to help them in their decisions. It would be better if you asked at your local CAB - as the respondant stated - or searched through the relevant legislation, located here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986...

If that does not help, then you could try the Department for Justice.

My final point, madam, is that you should not expect the highest court in the land to know every statute and every commn-law offence in the country, because they will not have heard every appeal in the country! I would also suggest that, in future, you undertake a wider range of research before you submit an FOI request.

Sincerely yours;

Ruairi Hipkin
Law student

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Charlotte Peters Rock left an annotation (16 September 2011)

Quote-marks My response, for ease of reading, is put between these comments left by the 'expert' law student, Ruairi. His comments have speech marks around each paragraph. My comments each have my initials (CPR) immediately following them

re: "Ruairi left an annotation (15 September 2011)
Ms Kirby;

“You must realise that affray is not dealt with at Supreme Court level - it can be tried in either the Crown Court or the Magistrates Court depending on the choice of the defendant."

The Supreme Court must be aware of the 'fact of our laws'. Equally it must be aware that those laws by which most people try to abide, are shot full of so many deliberate holes that any fraudster, murderer, or other of criminal intent, can readily flout all of them. There is also the fact that not one of our laws is practically upheld, nor is it intended to be, by anyone in 'authority' since everyone, in his own 'legal' profession refuses to act in any way accountably.. And that includes judges.CPR

“Most of the time, this sort of case is not appealed as high as the Supreme Court because there are no grounds for appeal. For probable sentences for affray, I refer you to the following:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sente...

For murder - as has happened to Mrs Kirby's father, Ralph Winstanley, there is no sanction in law, since the police force (South Yorkshire) refuses to either issue a crime number or to investigate a very provable murder. Official documents clearly show who organised that murder - who acted to perform it - and the reasons why they acted. Because South Yorkshire Police will not act, no other police force will act either.cpr

This has left the family of a murdered man effectively ' on the rack' for more than seven years, whilst Ruairi's 'legal' profession has done nothing but helped to cover up. It states that it is accountable, yet will not act accountably.CPR

“Further, the claim "they make it up as they go along" is not entirely correct. The Courts do make landmark decisions, and these are recorded as case law, which is used by other judges to help them in their decisions.”

Curiously enough, the statement 'they make it up as they go along' is clearly shown by the comment above.CPR

Our courts have made such landmark decisions as that of the deliberate legal killing of the mentally challenged man Derek Bentley. There are many other absolutely stupid decisions which have been made by our courts. It seems that no-one looks at the human cost of the courts' disastrous decisions.. Only at protecting he members of that 'legal' profession, which this person currently studies.CPR

“It would be better if you asked at your local CAB - as the respondant stated - or searched through the relevant legislation, located here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986...

The local CAB has been so starved of money that many are not working at all. The relevant legislation - even when found - is not acted upon.. as you will find. However it is unlikely that you will do anything to stop the institutionalised corruptions, which exist in the full knowledge of all in the 'legal' profession.CPR

“If that does not help, then you could try the Department for Justice.”

That misnamed organisation ' the Department for Justice' refuses to help as it has refused to help in any way at all when documents have been sent to its members. It merely expects the individual to take very expensive open-ended legal action, which is designed to bankrupt the individual, whilst protecting the law-breaker at all levels.CPR

It really is time that the 'Department for Justice' is taken to court for 'misrepresentation amounting to fraud'. But which court would act independently of the idle, self-serving, fraudulent Department for Justice? CPR

“My final point, madam, is that you should not expect the highest court in the land to know every statute and every commn-law offence in the country, because they will not have heard every appeal in the country!”

But of course that court - of all courts - must know every statute - even those it makes up as it goes along. The fact that it does not accept accountability for all statutes is a public disgrace, which needs now to lead to the sacking of those who take our money but do not do the job of ensuring that our laws - such miserably poor things as they are - actually work adequately for the purpose of justice. Perhaps the problem is that the Department for Justice would not recognise 'justice' if it wrapped itself around that august body and gave it a big hug and several smackers on the cheek.CPR

“I would also suggest that, in future, you undertake a wider range of research before you submit an FOI request.”

And you are going to pay an hourly rate for this research, which has in any case been ongoing for more than seven years, since South Yorkshire police, the Ministry of Justice (ho-ho) the Home Office and every other agency which has been approached, refuses to act upon? Yes, of course you are dearie. Of course you are.CPR

If you are not yet aware of the extremes of corruption which are contained within every piece of UK legislation, and then in so many abuses of that legislation, perhaps it is time to open your eyes. CPR

“Sincerely yours;

Ruairi Hipkin
Law student “

POINT: If law students really begin their career in so much ignorance of the practical effects of our so-called laws, perhaps it is time to train them more effectively?CPR

In respect of Mrs Kirby's original request, perhaps her concern should be looked at by the body (police?) which makes criminal records checks, since anyone acting in subterfuge, needs to be removed from the purlieu of vulnerable children or adults, not left to closely meet them by the simple change of a name.CPR

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From: Linda Kirby

16 September 2011

Dear Achow, Ann,

Your statement:

"In my reply I did not say that the Court does not know what the
law is on this matter but I did explain that we do not give legal
advice. If you require legal advice you should consult a solicitor.
Alternatively
your local Citizens Advice Bureau may be able to help you or, as I
suggested yesterday, you may be able to obtain the information you
require from legal books or the internet".

My reply:

Can I now ask what percentage you receive from pushing the public
to throw away "hard earned money/go into debt" to pay these fat cat
solicitors, who then go to even fatter barristers for advice?

I cannot afford to speak to a solicitor never mind get any help
from them. The only people who can are the very rich who don't have
to worry where there money is coming from or the people who have
never worked and get everything for free, (my father would have
called them scroungers).

In my opinion this set up is in place to fleece the hard working
honest members of the public who have worked all their lives,paid
their dues and demands, own their own home and have just a little
put by for old age. Then when they need any help all of their hard
work, their home and their finances are taken to pay yet again for
care.

The only people who get anything for nothing are the ones in the
know and scroungers.

I have gone to every court in South, West and North Yorkshire
asking where my father was given community service in February 1994
for affray, for a hunting offence at the Bramham Hunt in Jan/Feb
1993, none will give me any information why? This is a public
offence and should be on record.

Thank you for your reply, I would have liked some help!

Yours sincerely,

Linda Kirby

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