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Costs and schedule of Cabinet 6 cosmetic move in Ammanford

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Dear Carmarthenshire Council,
Carmarthenshire County Council intends to spend tax payers money to re-position the Margaret Street PCP and FTTC cabinets (6 & P6). Approximately 568 subscribers had been connected to the original/legacy cabinet, with the "new" FTTC cabinet finally commissioned in July 2015. Moving these services is likely to cause significant disruption and incur considerable cost.

The first glimmer of this "scheme" emerged in the artist's impression of a private developer's plans for the former Court House in January 2017 - members of the public catching a glimpse of the Council's intent a week after Carmarthenshire County Council put heavy plant to work on the site of the former Police Station. Details of a road widening scheme were referenced in the truncated plans, and the FTTC cabinet was unrealistically depicted constricting access to the side entrance, adjacent to ground that has been reinforced in previous years (after the Police Station was destroyed).

Please can you provide all details that the Council holds in relation to the scheme to re-position the cabinet(s), and in particular please ensure that the following information is covered:

How much will this move cost? Please provide a breakdown of all fees and costs incurred to date as well as those forecast.

How many cabinets and where will the replacement(s) be sited?

When does the Council intend this move to happen? How long will the work take overall and how long will the disruption take?

Which budget(s) is this work being funded from?

What capacity (number of subscriber lines and expected throughput) will the new cabinet(s) have? Please identify the capacity to be installed as well as the options for future growth.

Does the infrastructure provider anticipate any degradation to the performance of services existing subscribers already pay for?

Who is the prime contractor for the works and who has been subcontracted to perform the move?

If the new cabinet(s) are to be sited near to the Court House, what surveys have been conducted and what safeguards have been put in place to protect the fabric of the building? (eg not causing the facade to subside/crack by undermining the foundations, nor allowing this building to become as unstable as the former Police Station did). Please provide the name of the company/practitioner who has provided this advice and any warnings/limitations to the scope of their opinion.

What bond or financial surety has the Council obtained to isolate taxpayers from the risks of remediation works that may be needed to historic buildings in the area as a direct consequence of the scope of this work? As the Court House still remains in local authority ownership local taxpayers could pick up a hefty repair bill.

Was Carmarthenshire County Council consulted on the positioning of FTTC Cabinet 6P in 2015? Please provide all recorded details of this consultation.

Additionally, does the Council hold records of how much Welsh Government administered funds (Superfarce Cymru/BDUK) were spent to site and commission FTTC Cabinet 6P adjacent to PCP Cabinet 6 in 2015? If so, please disclose.

When did the Council inform infrastructure providers, funding partners or other elements of government of the road widening and re-siting of the cabinets?

In recent months BTOR staff working on Superfast enablement in the Amman Valley have been drafted in from as far afield as Surrey, Northumberland and Merseyside (local skills and manpower shortage). Current Welsh Government funding will cease at the end of the year (2017). What is the relative priority of this cosmetic task against the enablement of Superfast services for communities that currently fall well beneath the Universal Service Obligation (eg many subscribers connected with voice/ADSL services to Cabinet 1 with enablement work unfinished after many years and many false promises)?

What notice does Carmarthenshire County Council intend to give to businesses and domestic subscribers ahead of this disruption (if any)? Will the Development team reuse the template from the mayhem wrought on local businesses when they deployed heavy demolition plant in Margaret Street?

As the premises connected cover roughly Ammanford town centre and the area north bounded between Tir-Y-Dail Lane and Union Street, there are a significant number of actively monitored alarm systems deployed at banks, commercial premises, two GP surgeries, two dental practices, two pharmacies (with controlled drugs on site) all within the catchment that will be disabled and/or may be falsely triggered by the outage(s). What information has the County Council shared with the Police and emergency services to allow them to plan patrols accordingly and support vulnerable and elderly residents.

Yours faithfully,

D Morris

FOIA, Carmarthenshire Council

Dear Mr Morris,

 

Thank you for your request for information, which was received on 16^th
October, 2017 and is being dealt with under the Freedom of Information Act
2000/Environmental Information Regulations 2004.

 

We are therefore required to provide a response within 20 working days,
which will be on or before 11^th November, 2017.

 

If we require clarification we will also contact you as soon as we can –
please note that the timescale for response specified above may be subject
to change if this is the case.

 

In the meantime, please do not hesitate to contact me should you have any
queries, remembering to quote the reference number above in any
communications.

 

Yours sincerely

 

John Tillman
Swyddog Gwybodaeth a Diogelu Data

(Rheolwr) Tîm Llywodraethu Gwybodaeth a Chwynion
Adran Adfywio a Pholisi
Cyngor Sir Gaerfyrddin

 

Information & Data Protection Officer

(Manager) Information Governance & Complaints Team
Regeneration & Policy Department
Carmarthenshire County Council

 

Mewnol/Internal: 4127
Allanol/External: 01267 224127

 

 

FOIA, Carmarthenshire Council

Dear Mr Morris,
 
Thank you for your request for information, which was received on 16^th
October, 2017 and has been dealt with under the Freedom of Information Act
2000.
 
The specific information you requested was as follows:
 
Carmarthenshire County Council intends to spend tax payers money to
re-position the Margaret Street PCP and FTTC cabinets (6 & P6).
Approximately 568 subscribers had been connected to the original/legacy
cabinet, with the "new" FTTC cabinet finally commissioned in July 2015.
Moving these services is likely to cause significant disruption and incur
considerable cost.
 
How much will this move cost? Please provide a breakdown of all fees and
costs incurred to date as well as those forecast.
 
The estimated cost for relocating the cabinet is £109,000
How many cabinets and where will the replacement(s) be sited?
 
There are 2 cabinets that will be sited adjacent to the Court House

When does the Council intend this move to happen? How long will the work
take overall and how long will the disruption take?
 
We are awaiting a timetable from BT for the works.

Which budget(s) is this work being funded from?
 
The work is being funded through the receipt from the sale of the adjacent
site as sanctioned by the County Council’s Executive Board.
What capacity (number of subscriber lines and expected throughput) will
the new cabinet(s) have? Please identify the capacity to be installed as
well as the options for future growth.
 
BT have advised Carmarthenshire County Council that the new fibre cabinet
will be the same as the existing cabinet which is currently an Huawei 96
–d-slam, This has a capacity of 96 users for superfast fibre broadband but
can be extended to 256 users on demand. The existing copper cabinet
currently has a capacity of up to 500 users who use a range of different
products through the copper network.
Does the infrastructure provider anticipate any degradation to the
performance of services existing subscribers already pay for?
 
BT have advised Carmarthenshire County Council that they don’t anticipate
any degradation to the performance of services except for the brief down
time required to change-over individual fibres. This down-time will have
been negotiated and agreed up to 30 working days and is common with all
diversionary works
Who is the prime contractor for the works and who has been subcontracted
to perform the move?
 
BT have advised Carmarthenshire County Council that The prime contractor
for these works are Openreach who’s engineers will be undertaking the
changeover of the affected cables within the diversionary ducts. The
diversionary duct infrastructure in advance of the cable change-overs
including the placing of the cabinets will be carried out by HT
Installations the local sub-contractor working to Carrilion Telent their
national appointed Contractor
If the new cabinet(s) are to be sited near to the Court House, what
surveys have been conducted and what safeguards have been put in place to
protect the fabric of the building? (eg not causing the facade to
subside/crack by undermining the foundations, nor allowing this building
to become as unstable as the former Police Station did). Please provide
the name of the company/practitioner who has provided this advice and any
warnings/limitations to the scope of their opinion.
 
The design and installation of the cabinet is the responsibility of open
reach.
What bond or financial surety has the Council obtained to isolate
taxpayers from the risks of remediation works that may be needed to
historic buildings in the area as a direct consequence of the scope of
this work? As the Court House still remains in local authority ownership
local taxpayers could pick up a hefty repair bill.
 
See above response.

Was Carmarthenshire County Council consulted on the positioning of FTTC
Cabinet 6P in 2015? Please provide all recorded details of this
consultation.
 
No.

Additionally, does the Council hold records of how much Welsh Government
administered funds (Superfarce Cymru/BDUK) were spent to site and
commission FTTC Cabinet 6P adjacent to PCP Cabinet 6 in 2015? If so,
please disclose.
 
No. Please direct your query to Welsh Government

When did the Council inform infrastructure providers, funding partners or
other elements of government of the road widening and re-siting of the
cabinets?
 
July 2015

In recent months BTOR staff working on Superfast enablement in the Amman
Valley have been drafted in from as far afield as Surrey, Northumberland
and Merseyside (local skills and manpower shortage). Current Welsh
Government funding will cease at the end of the year (2017). What is the
relative priority of this cosmetic task against the enablement of
Superfast services for communities that currently fall well beneath the
Universal Service Obligation (eg many subscribers connected with
voice/ADSL services to Cabinet 1 with enablement work unfinished after
many years and many false promises)?
 
We do not hold this information you will need to direct your query to BT
What notice does Carmarthenshire County Council intend to give to
businesses and domestic subscribers ahead of this disruption (if any)?
Will the Development team reuse the template from the mayhem wrought on
local businesses when they deployed heavy demolition plant in Margaret
Street?
 
In relation to disruption to customers as a result of the BT cabinet
changeover I refer you to the answer already given by BT above. In
relation to other construction impact, the local authority will work with
the appointed contractor to minimise any disruption and advise affected
parties accordingly.

As the premises connected cover roughly Ammanford town centre and the area
north bounded between Tir-Y-Dail Lane and Union Street, there are a
significant number of actively monitored alarm systems deployed at banks,
commercial premises, two GP surgeries, two dental practices, two
pharmacies (with controlled drugs on site) all within the catchment that
will be disabled and/or may be falsely triggered by the outage(s). What
information has the County Council shared with the Police and emergency
services to allow them to plan patrols accordingly and support vulnerable
and elderly residents.
 
The County Council is liaising with BT to determine if there will be any
outages as a result of this move. Should there be any outages proposed the
relevant parties will be advised accordingly.
 
Yours sincerely
 
John Tillman
Swyddog Gwybodaeth a Diogelu Data
Tîm Llywodraethu Gwybodaeth a Chwynion
Adran y Prif Weithredwr
Cyngor Sir Gaerfyrddin
 
Information & Data Protection Officer
Information Governance & Complaints Team
Chief Executive's Department
Carmarthenshire County Council
 
Mewnol/Internal: 4127
Allanol/External: 01267 224127
 
 
 
 

Dear Carmarthenshire Council,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Carmarthenshire Council's handling of my FOI request 'Costs and schedule of Cabinet 6 cosmetic move in Ammanford'.

The Council omitted the main request, but did supply some useful information to the sub-points. To reiterate, I asked:

"Please can you provide all details that the Council holds in relation to the scheme to re-position the cabinet(s), and in particular please ensure that the following information is covered:

By means of example, "all details" would encompass detailed street plans/drawings (such as Drawing P101 of Project 80.0080.542 which described the retaining wall built nearby [with the Old Court House wrongly marked as Old Police Station]), proposals, departmental minutes, results of surveys, quotations etc related to this scheme. It seems the Council exclusively focused on the sub-points.

Amongst the sub-points, whilst I appreciate that the the Council has relayed some information, it has failed to provide pertinent and accurate information for a number of the sub-points. In particular:

Q How much will this move cost? Please provide a breakdown of all fees and costs incurred to date as well as those forecast.

A The estimated cost for relocating the cabinet is £109,000

Please provide a breakdown of all fees and costs incurred to date as well as those forecast, as originally requested. I expect copies of duly authorised purchase orders issued to BT and other subcontractors would form key blocks of your disclosure and ought to have been captured by the original request ("all details"). To re-iterate I would like a breakdown of all fees and costs, not just summary estimates.

Q How many cabinets and where will the replacement(s) be sited?

A There are 2 cabinets that will be sited adjacent to the Court House

Describing the 1-2m cabinets' positions as adjacent to the Court House, which has a perimeter of some 75m, was not at all helpful. In the body of the request I included (to help you identify the information) a reference to a fantasist's impression of what the redevelopment might look like and I described a cabinet's location in a unique/distinctive block of reinforced concrete (on the west face) as "adjacent"; surely the Council has a broader range of vocabulary that it could use to describe the cabinets' positions in relation to the faces of the building and its openings? The building is of historical interest and has a number of unique features that could be used to reference the intended position of the cabinets. It's not like I asked you to determine if the pictured DeLorean included a flux capacitor (though that would explain a number of Carmarthenshire County Council's observed behaviours). Alternatively disclosing the junction widening scheme's drawings that hold this information would fulfil this portion of the request.

Carmarthenshire County Council should be mindful of the duty upon it to offer appropriate advice and assistance to fulfil a request made under the Act, rather than playing obstructive word games.

It might be worthwhile for the Council to again review Sections 16 and 45 of the Act, as well as the accompanying Code of Practice.

Q When does the Council intend this move to happen? How long will the work take overall and how long will the disruption take?

A We are awaiting a timetable from BT for the works.

This response on 7th November seemed implausible at the time. Excavations starting the following week confirmed this. Please answer the original sub-point.

Q What notice does Carmarthenshire County Council intend to give to businesses and domestic subscribers ahead of this disruption (if any)? Will the Development team reuse the template from the mayhem wrought on local businesses when they deployed heavy demolition plant in Margaret Street?

A In relation to disruption to customers as a result of the BT cabinet changeover I refer you to the answer already given by BT above. In relation to other construction impact, the local authority will work with the appointed contractor to minimise any disruption and advise affected parties accordingly.

Please provide copies of the advice that the Council intended to provide to parties whose access to offices was affected by completion of the preliminary construction works. It seems the Development department made full use of their template again (severely compromising £18K of investment at international exhibitions previously, as their heavy demolition plant shook buildings so hard that the louvres were dislodged from light fittings on the third floor, the noise crippling productivity) - ie no warning, just disruption and businesses expected to suffer/adapt on the fly.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/c...

Yours faithfully,

D Morris

Robert Edgecombe, Carmarthenshire Council

Dear Mr Morris,

 

I write with regard to your email of the 1^st December in which you
requested an internal review in this matter.

 

Please accept my apologies for the delay in responding. Unfortunately due
to the pressure of other work I failed to realise that this matter had not
been progressed. I will now deal with as a matter of urgency but, given
the impending Christmas break do not anticipate being able to respond
until the New Year.

 

I will be in touch as soon as I possibly can.

 

Yours sincerely

Robert Edgecombe

Dear Robert Edgecombe,

Chinese or Gregorian New Year? It's been 44 working days already, has there been any progress?

Yours sincerely,

Daniel Morris

Robert Edgecombe, Carmarthenshire Council

Dear Mr Morris,

My apologies for the delay. I have received some of the information you requested and can see no reason not to disclose it to you. I await however the detailed street plans/drawings you have requested.

I have chased up the relevant department.

Regards
Robert Edgecombe

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Robert Edgecombe, Carmarthenshire Council

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Dear Mr Morris,

 

Further to my email of the 7^th February, please accept my apologies for
the delay in responding to your review request in this case.

 

I have now been supplied with what I believe to be the information you
have requested, and can see no reason to withhold it from disclosure.

 

I therefore enclose the following;

 

1.       Detailed estimate in respect of the carriage widening works

2.       Copy purchase order to BT Openreach

3.       Copy invoice in respect of BT diversionary works

4.       Original schematic drawing

5.       Drawing of indicative highway layout

 

If you remain unhappy with the handling of your request or complaint, you
have a right to appeal to the Information Commissioner at The Information
Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9
5AF. Telephone: 0303 123 1113 .Website: [1]www.ico.org.uk.

 

Yours Faithfully

Robert Edgecombe

 

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2018-02-09 complaint to ICO (& 2018-03-29)
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FOIA, Carmarthenshire Council

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Dear Mr Morris,

 

I refer to your request for information (reference FOIA/10313) and your
most recent complaint to the Information Commissioner’s Office in this
regard.

 

During the course of their investigation, the relevant service has
undertaken a further search and identified the attached email, which has
attached to it the original drawings, which show the location of the BT
Units.

 

Regrettably, this email was saved in a specific file relating to works on
a retaining wall as opposed to the main issue here and was therefore
overlooked.

 

We apologise for this error and are in the process of responding to the
ICO on other matters raised in their investigation. 

 

Yours sincerely

 

John Tillman
Rheolwr Llywodraethu Gwybodaeth a Chwynion

Adfywio a Pholisi

Adran y Prif Weithredwr

Cyngor Sir Gaerfyrddin

 

Information Governance & Complaints Manager

Regeneration & Policy

Chief Executive’s Department

Carmarthenshire County Council

 

Mewnol/Internal: 4127
Allanol/External: 01267 224127

 

 

 

From: Mike A Bull
Sent: 27 July 2018 16:42
To: John W Tillman <[email address]>
Cc: Stuart Walters <[email address]>
Subject: Margaret St

 

Hi John,

 

Attached is e mail which had the original drawings on which demonstrated
the location of the Bt Units, unfortunately as this was saved as an email
in the retaining wall file I didn’t pick this up the first time round.

 

In respect of costs being reported net of VAT. Local authority budgets
operate on a net of VAT budget basis and the costs reported are net as VAT
is recoverable.

 

Regards

 

Mike

 

 

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