Complaint 2011/18531
Dear Scarborough Borough Council,
Please confirm if Councillor Tom Fox has repaid the expenses that he was not entitled to claim that were the subject of complaint 2011/18531 that was discussed by the Standards Referrals Sub-Committee on 6 July 2011.
Yours faithfully,
Tim Thorne
Dear Scarborough Borough Council,
Please can you let me know when I can expect to receive the information or acknowledgement to confirm you've received this FOI request.
Yours faithfully,
Tim Thorne
FOIA No: 1975
Date of Receipt: 5 March 2012
Last Date for Response: 2 April 2012
File Ref: CP01/00000137
Thank you for your written communication of 5 March 2012. The information
that you require is not included within the Council’s formal publication
scheme and a referral has been made to the responsible officer to collate
a response.
You may expect to receive a response to your request by 2 April 2012, that
is within twenty working days of its receipt by the Council.
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Dear Mr Thorne,
Please find attached the response to your Freedom of Information request.
Regards,
Gill
Gill Wilkinson
Democratic and Administrative Services Manager
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Dear Gill Wilkinson,
Many thanks for your reply, unfortunately it doesn't answer my question. Has Cllr. Fox repaid the expenses? Has Cllr. Fox had a rethink about those expenses and decided it would be fairer to the public purse if he repaid those expenses?
Yours sincerely,
Tim Thorne
Dear Scarborough Borough Council,
This FOI request is nearly a month overdue. By law, you should normally have responded promptly and by 30 March 2012. Please supply the information by return.
Yours faithfully,
Tim Thorne
Dear Mr Thorne
I refer to the email appended below. According to my records a response to this FOI request, ref FOIA1975, was sent to you on the 16 March. A copy of the response which was sent to you is attached.
Kind regards
Di Cross
Admin Manager, Central Administration Unit, Legal and Support Services
Scarborough Borough Council
e:[email address]
t:01723 232347 (DL)
f:0870 2384159
w:www.scarborough.gov.uk
Dear Scarborough Borough Council,
Thank you for your last reply. Unfortunately it doesn't answer the question I originally posed. I'm not trying to query the original decision to fob off the complaint. I am trying to find out if Cllr. Fox has had any second thoughts about merits of my complaint and voluntarily decided to repay the Broadband expenses claimed because he/she recognises that the Standards Committee decision did not meet with their own personal high standards.
The way I see it there are two possible answers to my question.
1. Yes, Cllr Fox has repaid some or all of the expenses that were brought to light in complaint 2011/18531.
2. No, Cllr Fox has not repaid any of the expenses that were brought to light in complaint 2011/18531.
Can I please have an answer this time?
Yours faithfully,
Tim Thorne
Dear FOI,
I've still not received this information. Can you let me know when it is available please? If I don't find out within a week I'll have to report this to the ICO.
Yours sincerely,
Tim Thorne
Dear Mr Thorne
Please find attached response to FOIA1975 dated 16 March 2012.
Many thanks
Karen Crosier
Dear FOI,
Many thanks for taking the trouble to reply, but again it doesn't address the question I've asked. I want to know if Cllr. Tom Fox has voluntarily repaid some or all of his Internet Expenses for the period of time 2007 to 2011 that were the subject of complaint 2011/18531.
I would also remind you that this correspondence is documented on the whatdotheyknow.com web site and the public can see the nature of your evasive replies in full. Now, please stop wasting my time and give me the information I am asking for.
Yours sincerely,
Tim Thorne
Dear FOI,
I've still not had the information I've requested, not has the Internal Review been actioned, so this has now been passed to the ICO.
Yours sincerely,
Tim Thorne
Dear Mr Thorne
Re: FOIA1975 - Review/Repeat Request/New Request
I have been asked to deal with correspondence relating to your request for
information which was first made in March 2012. I am informed that you
requested the following:
Please confirm if Councillor Tom Fox has repaid the expenses that he was
not entitled to claim that were the subject of complaint 2011/18531 that
was discussed by the Standards Referrals Sub-Committee on 6 July 2011.
Mrs Wilkinson responded to your request on 12 March 2012. The content of
her response was as follows:
This issue was referred to the Standards Referrals Sub-committee on 6 July
2011 and the Committee determined to take no action on the complaint in
relation to Councillor Tom Fox as under the Member’s Allowance Scheme
Council has determined on the advice of the Independent Remuneration Panel
that a fixed sum of money be provided toward the telecommunications and
internet connection costs of each member. Therefore Cllr Fox did not claim
for expenses to which he was not entitled.
This decision can be viewed at
[1]http://democracy.scarborough.gov.uk/ieLi...
Details of all members allowances and expenses claimed are published on
our website and can be viewed at
[2]http://www.scarborough.gov.uk/default.as...
You then responded to Mrs Wilkinson's response re-stating your request.
Review of Response
In the first instance I am treating this as a request for a review of Mrs
Wilkinson's response. I have therefore looked at whether the Council hold
information relevant to your request and whether Mrs Wilkinson's response
was appropriate.
I should start by making it clear that it is my opinion that the Council
do not in fact hold information directly relevant to your request. There
are two main reasons for this.
The first reason is that your request pre-supposes that Cllr Fox received
a payment to which he was not entitled. You specifically ask whether Cllr
Fox has "repaid the expenses that he was not entitled to claim".
As you are well aware, the Standards Committee when dealing with the
complaint did not make a determination that Cllr Fox was not entitled to
the payment. Their decision was that no further action be taken because
"under the Member's Allowance Scheme [the] Council has determined on the
advice of the Independent Remuneration Panel that a fixed sum of money be
provided toward the telecommunications and internet connection costs of
each member". There has not therefore been a determination by this Council
or its Standards Committee that Cllr Fox was not entitled to the payment.
Indeed, Mrs Wilkinson stated in her response of 12 March 2012 that " Cllr
Fox did not claim for expenses to which he was not entitled."
The second reason, which is more of an aside to the above, is that you
state he claimed expenses. There is a difference between 'expenses' and an
'allowance'. 'Expenses' are claimed where a Cllr has incurred a cost, and
then seeks to reclaim this back from the Council as an allowable expense.
An 'allowance' is a fixed payment made to a Cllr by way of their office.
To my mind your question is redundant because of the presupposition
detailed above. As mentioned, the point relating to expenses/allowances
adds further weight notwithstanding that the request is already redundant.
On this basis the Council do not in fact hold information relevant to your
request.
That said, there is information contained within the decision notice and
upon the website (as detailed in Mrs Wilkinson's response) which is of
indirect relevance.
I am therefore satisfied that the Council have provided you with the
appropriate information, however my position on review differs slightly as
explained.
Repeat Request
In the alternative, your response could be deemed to be a repeat request.
Section 14(2) of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA) states the
following:
Where a public authority has previously complied with a request for
information which was made by any person, it is not obliged to comply with
a subsequent identical or substantially similar request from that person
unless a reasonable interval has elapsed between compliance with the
previous request and the making of the current request.
The above section can only be relied upon where the Council have supplied
you with the information requested previously. It can reasonably be said
that Mrs Wilkinson provided you with the relevant information held by the
Council.
Sometimes a repeated request can in fact relate to different information,
for example where statistics or other records are updated regularly. This
is not true of your request and the situation remains the same.
In this alternative position, the Council rely upon section 14(2) and this
response is a refusal notice. This is because the Council have already
complied with a similar if not identical request from yourself in March
2012, and a reasonable interval has not passed, particularly because the
information held and provided to you has not changed since that time.
New Request
In the second alternative, your response could be treated as a new
request. In this respect, it is our position that the Council do not hold
information directly relevant to your request (on the basis of the
reasoning set out above). I do however refer you to the information
contained on our website relating to the Standards complaint 2011/18531
and the pages setting out what each member has received (links above).
This is the extent of information held (albeit indirectly relevant), and
as already communicated to you by Mrs Wilkinson in response to your
previous request in the same terms.
Right of Review etc
Ordinarily details are now provided of the appropriate contact within the
Council who deals with reviews. Given that the first position above is
that we have undertaken a review, if you remain dissatisfied you may now
pass the matter to the Information Commissioner's Office, Wycliffe House,
Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9 5AF | Tel: 01625 545745 | Fax: 01625
524510 | Web: [3]www.ico.gov.uk
Regards
David Kitson
Senior Solicitor, Litigation and Regulation, Legal and Support Services,
Scarborough Borough Council
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Dear FOI,
Many thanks for your reply, unfortunately it again doesn't provide the necessary information. I believe it is more than a little pedantic to quibble over the term used to describe the monies paid to Cllrs. Fox. It is also pedantic to quibble over whether he is entitled to them or not because the weight of public opinion suggests it is outrageous that both Cllrs. claim an expense/allowance when there is only one outgoing for it in their household.
We both know this FOI request and previous complaint refers to the expense/allowance paid to Cllrs. Fox as 'Internet Allowance'. I am just trying to find out if some or all of the monies have been repaid by either of the Cllrs. It has taken five months of correspondence to get this far and I've still got nothing from you. Are you going to provide the information requested? If not, I want a reason why.
Yours sincerely,
Tim Thorne
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