Common Purpose - a Fraudulent Political "Charity"

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Common Purpose - a Fraudulent Political "Charity"

Dear Sir or Madam,

By 'Common Purpose', I mean the 'educational charity' of that name: http://www.commonpurpose.org

According to the Charity Commission, "An organisation will not be charitable if its purposes are political."

When you get beneath the facade of Common Purpose, its purposes are clearly political, not educational. The hidden agenda of Common Purpose is based on the political philosophy of the 'Third Way' and pursues the political objective of the creation of a collectivist and corporatist society within the European Union.

http://www.stopcp.com/cpphilosophy.php

Why is Common Purpose allowed to be a charity when its hidden agenda is clearly political? When are you going to stop the Common Purpose charity fraud?

Yours faithfully,

John Walker

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Andrew Park, Charity Commission for England and Wales

Dear Mr Walker

Thank you for your e-mails of 21 September and 1 October. I have set out
my response to your questions below.

Why is Common Purpose allowed to operate as a charity?

I thought it might be helpful to set out the general principles we follow
when registering a charity. In order to be charitable in law an
organisation must be set up:

o for a purpose which is charitable in law; and

o for the benefit of the public generally

Common Purpose is registered as a charity with the following objects:

"The advancement of education for the public benefit and in particular,
but without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, to educate men
and women from a broad range of geographical, political, ethnic,
institutional, social and economic backgrounds in constitutional, civic,
economic and social studies, with special emphasis on civil and social
awareness and responsibility in the United Kingdom and elsewhere, provided
always that nothing contained in the Memorandum and Articles of
Association shall authorise, or be deemed to authorise the carrying on of
any activity for any purposes save those regarded as charitable by the
laws of England and Wales"

Advancing education in the named topics is charitable, and the class of
people to be educated is broadly defined enough to demonstrate public
benefit.

As a registered charity with income of more than £5 million a year,
Common Purpose is required to submit its accounts annually to the
Commission and we publish these on our website
[1]www.charitycommission.gov.uk so that the public can see them.
Charities with income of more than £1 million a year are also required to
submit a Summary Information Return, which sets out key information about
the charity's aims, activities and achievements, and again we publish
these on our website. I have provided a link to the charity's entry on
our Register, where this information can be found:

[2]http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/reg...

Why is Common Purpose allowed to be a charity if it is clearly political?

Common Purposes objects are not political and we have not received any
evidence to suggest that Common Purpose is engaged in anything illegal or
in any activities that would lead us to question its charitable status.

Further guidance concerning campaigning and political activity by
charities can be accessed through our website at:

[3]http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/publ...

Request for information

In your e-mail of 21 September you asked us to supply all of the
documentation that we have relating to Common Purpose.

I can confirm that am dealing with your request under the terms of the
Freedom of Information Act 2000.

The Commission holds a large amount of documentation (in both electronic
and paper form) related to the charity including:

* its Central Register file
* annual accounts
* fifteen case files

Sections 9 and 13 of the Freedom of Information Act allow public
authorities to charge for answering requests in certain cases.

The Act provides for public authorities to either charge for or decline
requests for information that would cost a public authority either more
than £600 for

central government or £450 for other public authorities to deal with the
request. This is referred to as the appropriate limit. Public authorities
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* determining whether we hold the information requested
* locating the information or documents containing the information
* retrieving such information or documents
* extracting the information from the document containing it (including
editing or redacting information)

I am yet to receive all of the files that we hold, but it is likely that
your request would go beyond the 'appropriate limit'. If you could specify
the

information that you are looking for this may make it easier for us to
locate and extract the specific information that you require.

A large amount of information is already available via our central
register- for example the charity's annual accounts. The register has
recently been

updated and can be accessed by the link below.

[4]http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/sho...

I should also make it clear that some information will be exempt (for
example personal contact details for trustees) and may not be disclosable.

If you would like to discuss your Freedom of Information Request please
call or email me.

Yours sincerely

Andrew Park

Large Charities Division

Charity Commission Direct
PO Box 1227
Liverpool
L69 3UG
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Andrew Park, Charity Commission for England and Wales

Dear Mr Walker

Thank you for your e-mails of 21 September and 1 October. I have set out
my response to your questions below.

Why is Common Purpose allowed to operate as a charity?

I thought it might be helpful to set out the general principles we follow
when registering a charity. In order to be charitable in law an
organisation must be set up:

o for a purpose which is charitable in law; and

o for the benefit of the public generally

Common Purpose is registered as a charity with the following objects:

"The advancement of education for the public benefit and in particular,
but without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, to educate men
and women from a broad range of geographical, political, ethnic,
institutional, social and economic backgrounds in constitutional, civic,
economic and social studies, with special emphasis on civil and social
awareness and responsibility in the United Kingdom and elsewhere, provided
always that nothing contained in the Memorandum and Articles of
Association shall authorise, or be deemed to authorise the carrying on of
any activity for any purposes save those regarded as charitable by the
laws of England and Wales"

Advancing education in the named topics is charitable, and the class of
people to be educated is broadly defined enough to demonstrate public
benefit.

As a registered charity with income of more than £5 million a year,
Common Purpose is required to submit its accounts annually to the
Commission and we publish these on our website
[1]www.charitycommission.gov.uk so that the public can see them.
Charities with income of more than £1 million a year are also required to
submit a Summary Information Return, which sets out key information about
the charity's aims, activities and achievements, and again we publish
these on our website. I have provided a link to the charity's entry on
our Register, where this information can be found:

[2]http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/reg...

Why is Common Purpose allowed to be a charity if it is clearly political?

Common Purposes objects are not political and we have not received any
evidence to suggest that Common Purpose is engaged in anything illegal or
in any activities that would lead us to question its charitable status.

Further guidance concerning campaigning and political activity by
charities can be accessed through our website at:

[3]http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/publ...

Request for information

In your e-mail of 21 September you asked us to supply all of the
documentation that we have relating to Common Purpose.

I can confirm that am dealing with your request under the terms of the
Freedom of Information Act 2000.

The Commission holds a large amount of documentation (in both electronic
and paper form) related to the charity including:

* its Central Register file
* annual accounts
* fifteen case files

Sections 9 and 13 of the Freedom of Information Act allow public
authorities to charge for answering requests in certain cases.

The Act provides for public authorities to either charge for or decline
requests for information that would cost a public authority either more
than £600 for

central government or £450 for other public authorities to deal with the
request. This is referred to as the appropriate limit. Public authorities
are required

to estimate whether a request is likely to breach the 'appropriate
limit'.

In determining the 'appropriate limit' we will consider the following
activities:

* determining whether we hold the information requested
* locating the information or documents containing the information
* retrieving such information or documents
* extracting the information from the document containing it (including
editing or redacting information)

I am yet to receive all of the files that we hold, but it is likely that
your request would go beyond the 'appropriate limit'. If you could specify
the

information that you are looking for this may make it easier for us to
locate and extract the specific information that you require.

A large amount of information is already available via our central
register- for example the charity's annual accounts. The register has
recently been

updated and can be accessed by the link below.

[4]http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/sho...

I should also make it clear that some information will be exempt (for
example personal contact details for trustees) and may not be disclosable.

If you would like to discuss your Freedom of Information Request please
call or email me.

Yours sincerely

Andrew Park

Large Charities Division

Charity Commission Direct
PO Box 1227
Liverpool
L69 3UG
T: 0207 674 2355
[email address]

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Dear Andrew Park,

You say "Common Purposes objects are not political and we have not received any evidence to suggest that Common Purpose is engaged in anything illegal or in any activities that would lead us to question its charitable status".

Evidence as to the political purpose of Common Purpose is well-hidden but this does not mean evidence does not exist. If I find evidence of their political links, and forward this evidence to you, will you ASSURE me that the matter will then be investigated?

Yours sincerely,

John Walker

Andrew Park, Charity Commission for England and Wales

Dear Mr Walker,

Thank you for your e-mail. I will look at any information that you provide and assess whether there are any regulatory issues for the Commission.

I would also be grateful if you could let me know whether the links that I flagged up in my email provided the information that you sought in your initial email of 21 September.

Yours sincerely

Andrew Park

Large Charities Division

Charity Commission Direct
PO Box 1227
Liverpool
L69 3UG
T: 0207 674 2355
[email address]

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Dear Andrew Park,

Thank you for your quick reply.

I expect to be able to provide you with further information about Common Purpose in the near future.

As regards your email of 21 September 2008, the links do provide the info I need.

I am absolutely certain that Common Purpose is deceiving the Charity Commission, thereby undermining your purpose, integrity and credibility. Common Purpose must not be allowed to get away with treating with contempt a public body such as the Charity Commission.

Yours sincerely,

John Walker

Andrew Park, Charity Commission for England and Wales

Dear Mr Walker,

Thank you for responding to me on this point. I will await any further
information that you may have.

Yours sincerely

Andrew Park

Large Charities Division

Charity Commission Direct
PO Box 1227
Liverpool
L69 3UG
T: 0207 674 2355
[email address]

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S.McCaw left an annotation ()

I have also made a complaint to the Charities Commission regarding Common Purpose. I do not consider them to be a valid charity, as they do not operate for the public benefit, quite the opposite. I consider their motives political and therefor their abuse of the charitable status is illegal.

Politics = social relations involving authority or power

Common Purpose =
Attendance in a personal capacity (yet frequently paid for by tax payer money).

Clandestine networking.

Training to "lead out with authority"

Training the "leaders of the future"

Graduates selected to form 360 group to manage distribution of funds

Assistance in finding new positions for Graduates, at the expense of the public.

This charity operates illegally and I expect the Charity Commission to resolve this matter. I have reported it to my MP, and will report to the police if necessary.

Stuart A Charlesworth left an annotation ()

Dear John,

I notice in their epistle earlier on in the history of your FOI request they state:

"Common Purposes objects are not political and we have not received any evidence to suggest that Common Purpose is engaged in anything illegal or in any activities that would lead us to question its charitable status."

So what about this then, telling Chief Constables how to do their job:
http://www.stopcp.com/CommonPurposeInstr...

Regards
Stuart Charlesworth

Francis Irving left an annotation ()

Blog post about this request:

http://nodeinthenoosphere.blogspot.com/2...

Clothcap left an annotation ()

COMMON PURPOSE 'GRADUATES' BREACH THE SEVEN PRINCIPLES OF PUBLIC LIFE
Those Common Purpose 'graduates' who are public servants breach ALL the Seven Principles of Public Life as set out by the Committee on Standards in Public Life.

HOW THE SEVEN PRINCIPLES ARE BREACHED
Let me go through each of the Seven Principles of Public Life as set out on the Committee on Standards in Public Life website and explain how the principles are being breached.

1. Selflessness
Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest. They should not do so in order to gain financial or other benefits for themselves, their family or their friends.
People become Common Purpose 'graduates' for career advancement and to be part of a secret, Masonic-like society for careerists who want what Common Purpose has to offer - access to the corridors of power. This is not the action of a selfless person. The Common Purpose idea of 'leading beyond authority' is particularly attractive to the corporate psychopath class of person who will see it a green light to go around their organisation and pick up power wherever they find it laying around. These people are not noted for their selflessness.
2. Integrity
Holders of public office should not place themselves under any financial or other obligation to outside individuals or organisations that might seek to influence them in the performance of their official duties.
Being part of the Common Purpose network brings those in public service under pressure to do favours for other Common Purpose 'graduates'. The lack of integrity and probity of some Common Purpose police officers is particularly disturbing.
Police officers are supposed to operate 'without fear or favour' but there are plenty of favours being done by Common Purpose police for their colleagues in the Common Purpose network. There is no need whatsoever for police officers to be part of any Common Purpose style network.
Here is a clear example of how Common Purpose seeks to corruptly influence the police:
http://www.stopcp.com/CommonPurposeInstr...
CommonPurpose Instructions to Police is a pdf file of a copy of a letter sent by Common Purpose to the Chief Constable of Fife giving instructions on how to deal with Freedom of Information requests made to him about Common Purpose. Many other Chief Constables would have received similar instructions.
Why is an 'educational charity' like Common Purpose giving instructions to police officers about how they should handle Freedom of Information requests made to them about Common Purpose? What is going on?
Here is a clear example of how Common Purpose seeks to corruptly influence the prison service:
http://www.stopcp.com/cphmpnorwichapolog...
Norwich prison released to Common Purpose the name and address of a person who quite legitimately asked them, under the Freedom of Information Act, why the prison was providing offices for Common Purpose, and how much Common Purpose was paying. HMP Norwich had no right to release this information contrary to the Data Protection Act and has had to apologise.
Why does Common Purpose want to know the identities of those people making FOI requests about them? Why did HMP Norwich flagrantly breach the Data Protection Act? What action is being taken against them? What is going on?
I wonder how many more examples there are of Common Purpose corruptly influencing members of the police, judiciary, armed forces and other public servants.
These Freedom of Information requests have given Common Purpose the jitters. Because they have so much to hide, Common Purpose cannot stand having questions asked about them and are now using their network of 'graduates' to put pressure on public authorities to refuse to answer questions about Common Purpose on the grounds that they are 'vexatious'.
This is an outrageous interference with the public's right to learn what public authorities are up to and how public money is spent.
3. Objectivity
In carrying out public business, including making public appointments, awarding contracts, or recommending individuals for rewards and benefits, holders of public office should make choices on merit.
Being part of the Common Purpose network will bring public servants under pressure to do favours for other Common Purpose 'graduates' rather than to act impartially and objectively.
Common Purpose has corrupted the British media, including the BBC - a public authority.
One of the main targets of Common Purpose is the media because 'New' Labour and Brussels need to control propaganda to the masses. Many BBC, ITV and other media personnel are members of the Common Purpose Revolution by Stealth operation.
The Common Purpose 'graduates' who have infiltrated the BBC have destroyed the reputation that the BBC had amongst many for independent and accurate reporting of news and current affairs. And this deceit has all been funded by the BBC Licence Tax payer.
4. Accountability
Holders of public office are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office.
There is a strong resistance amongst Common Purpose 'graduates' towards giving out details of their Common Purpose membership and the activities they engage in. Common Purpose operates according to the Chatham House rules which effectively means that meetings are held in secret with no agenda, records or accountability. Why are public servants allowed to attend these unaccountable meetings and training courses?
5. Openness
Holders of public office should be as open as possible about all the decisions and actions that they take. They should give reasons for their decisions and restrict information only when the wider public interest clearly demands.
There is a strong resistance amongst Common Purpose 'graduates' in public office towards giving out details of their Common Purpose membership and the activities they engage in. Common Purpose itself operates according to the Chatham House rules which effectively means that meetings are held in secret with no agenda, records or accountability. Hardly a recipe for 'Open Government'.
Just why are Common Purpose and some public bodies, such as some police forces, so frightened of the public finding out who their Common Purpose members are and what takes place on Common Purpose training courses by hiding behind Chatham House Rules and Freedom of Information exemptions? What has happened to probity?
There is very strong resistance by some public bodies towards giving out information requested in Freedom of Information requests about their dealings with Common Purpose.
Here are some of the methods some public bodies use to avoid disclosure of information under Freedom of Information (FOI) requests:
I. Section 40(2) of the Freedom of Information Act (2000)
Here is an example of identical requests made to different constabularies:
a. to the Devon and Cornwall Constabulary who provided names of Common Purpose graduates and expenditure on Common Purpose courses
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...
b. to the Norfolk Constabulary who refuse to provide the names Common Purpose graduates but provide expenditure details:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...
II. Section 40(2) of the Freedom of Information Act (2000) again:
a. here someone asked the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead Council for copies of Common Purpose invoices which were provided in full:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/wi...
b. here someone asked the Greater London Authority a similar question and were sent copies of the invoices with the names removed:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/co...
III. Asking about individuals
Look at the hoops they are jumping through at the BBC to avoid answering a question about Mark Thompson, Director-General of the BBC and his connection with Common Purpose:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ma...
If Common Purpose has nothing to hide, if Common Purpose is not sinister, then why do organisations keep from the public the names of persons who have attended Common Purpose courses? What have they to hide?
6. Honesty
Holders of public office have a duty to declare any private interests relating to their public duties and to take steps to resolve any conflicts arising in a way that protects the public interest.
Many Common Purpose 'graduates' in public service deliberately hide their membership of Common Purpose. This leaves them open to accusations of dishonesty, corruption, favouritism and under-the-counter dealings. Common Purpose targets the grey areas where public and private bodies meet such as Local Strategic Partnerships. These are prime candidates for potential corruption and dishonesty.
Common Purpose 'graduates' are masters of deceit and doublespeak.
7. Leadership
Holders of public office should promote and support these principles by leadership and example.
A Common Purpose quote: "People who lead beyond their authority can produce change beyond their direct circle of control".
Leading beyond authority can mean acting ultra vires. Ultra vires a legal concept. It is Latin for 'beyond the powers'. It can apply to any body which has rules, such as a charity or a local authority. An ultra vires act is one that is outside the specified and/or implied constitutional objects and powers of the body in question. It is 'beyond the powers' and therefore illegal.
Also, what are the implications of 'leading beyond authority' for services which require a hierarchical management structure to ensure discipline and cohesion, like the armed forces and police which can be manipulated from within for political purposes?
Common Purpose 'graduates' are incapable of leading by example because those people who have found out what they are up to do not trust them at all.

More info here -
http://www.stopcp.com/cpbreachestheseven...

George Perepetschaieff left an annotation ()

I have evidence of CP colluding with senior NHS staff and expect to engage injured parties with an intention to prosecute.How the commission can say that CP is not political is beyond me.

George Perepetschaieff left an annotation ()

When dealing with the police, direct your first enquiry to the Police authority for that area. They will pass the buck immediately and then watch what it is all about. Cleveland Police released the names(7) and I see various officers have been suspended for alleged corruption.

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Conspiracy theory and quotes from blog sites are not actual evidence - they are just speculation and opinion.

Not really what this site is all about folks.

Anyone with 'real' evidence should be handing it over to the police or the press - or Mel Gibbson for Conspiracy Theory II (loved the first movie).

George Perepetschaieff left an annotation ()

This site is about getting the facts from the relevant authority. This is what is happening here. Common Purpose charity is a serious problem and because they seem to be everywhere,including the police, it will take time for us to eventually bring about prosecutions.This is a great site for screening fact from fiction.

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Sorry George - 'I suspect that' and 'someone else posted on their blog that' do NOT constitute fact by any measure I know. That's called speculation, rumor and conspiracy theory.

Common purpose is clearly a special interest group - but a secret plot to take over government, come on, this isn't Tomb Raider and they are a long way from being the Illuminarti.

What secret society is going to provide a government department with anything 'secret' - kind of defeats the whole 'purpose'.

Sounds more like the Stonecutters from an episode of the Simpsons. Or more likely, a commercial enterprise intended to seperate fools from their money - making them feel 'special' by paying for management training seminars/professional networking opportunities. You must have seen the adverts for '10 top tips on management skills' or 'secrets of being a better manager' seminars - Common purpose just looks like a slightly more polished version of those.

The 'facts' are - you won't find any 'secrets' out using this site, only what information the group itself chose to make public in its correspondence or submissions to departments of government.

That's just my opinion of course, if folks want to waste their time chasing fantasies that's their privilage.

The Freedom of Information Acts (UK and US versions) are for more serious purposes, like allowing the public to monitor what our governments are doing and how they spend our tax dollars.

George Perepetschaieff left an annotation ()

Common Purpose first rule-never speak of common purpose. A full,public police investigation will set my mind to rest and not your vain attempt here.Thanks all the same.

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Like I said, it's every individuals right to do what they want with their spare time - mine is to treat conspiracy theory (and Fight Club) as what they are, entertainment.

Be kind of interesting/amusing to watch how the whole thing develops over time, my guess is that inevitably the 'hard-core' theorists will continue to feed off each other - while everyone else moves on to other themes, or just loses interest.

Figure from your response you're not going to be spending any money signing up with CP to get the real 'inside story' - so I guess you'll never really know what the 'truth' is.

Play nice and have fun kids - my take is just don't take things too seriously and keep in touch with the real world.

XOXO - Becky

John Booth left an annotation ()

Common Purposes does nothing for FREE and also has NO BENEFIT to the public so HOW are they a charity? Just look at the rest of the so called charities and then you clearly see that the whole area of charities are fraught with corruption and evil people living off the backs of gullible people willing to give their promissory notes and credits away, its all part of the dismantling of this country to bring about a one world dictatorship and the ignorant SHEEP who allow t his to pass by think its for the good of humanity? what good and what will be left of HUMANITY when these Zionists have completed their goals

WAKE UP People, you are being turned into compliant drones and soon you will have NO VOICE at all SLAVERY was never abolished, they just changed the goal posts and renamed it...

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

John

Thank you for expressing your views/opinions, which you have every right to do in a free society.

The whatdotheyknow website is not the approporiate venue for doing this however, its purpose is to enable members of the public to obtain/access information held by public authorites - not to provide a forum for expressing personal opinions, or an oportunity to engage in extended personal debate.

The site's terms of use/moderation policy is clearly set out via the link appearing immediately next to the 'Preview your annotation' option and all submissions are monitored against that policy.

While users are encouraged to post annotations which will assist other users in understanding or interpreting information/responses, extended debates are best carried out through personal exchanges between users outside this website.

With this in mind - my personal view is that extending this particular thread serves no useful purpose. Anyone reading the request, response (when received) and related annotations will have enough information available to them to form their own reasoned opinion.

My contributions to this thread are intended to assist that process and I am satisfied that there is no need for me to add to them.

Please take a few moments to read the moderation policy whenever you can.

Becky

mickey mouse left an annotation ()

Are you a shill becky? why do you disinform people with this "fantasy" talk....If there was no proof and this was all speculation then the uk column would of been prosecuted along with various other sources but since that isnt the case then to put it bluntly your full of it

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Mickey Mouse?

Seriously, if you take the time to check out CP in any real detail you will see from its own literature/websites that its focus is to sell its training and make as much money as possible.

Everything else about its 'secret agenda' is pure speculation - simply because no-one posting blogs about this has (so far as I can see) ever actually been to one of its seminars or training programmes.

Without first-hand experience, how can anyone 'outside' possibly know for sure what goes on at them? Plain common sense, they can only speculate and feed off of the speculations of others - classic 'conspiracy theory' mentality - X and Y said it was so, so it must be true.

Don't get me wrong, I don't support CP any more than I support Scientology, Freemanry, New World Order or Alien Abduction (which is not at all). I just feel folks into those areas should do so on other sites dedicated to them, not through WDTK - which is for serious stuff.

This is a 'dead' thread - so don't expect me to debate further.

Becky

Rob Willis left an annotation ()

I think Becky herself works for a charity of some kind and therefore regards them through rose coloured specs. Rather than what they really are, free handouts, big houses and well paid jobs for the ruling classes.

Same for Communist Purpose, only with bells on.

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Rob - Actually I'm an officer with Portland Police in Oregon USA and a first year law student at Concordia University.

Under UK law, if any organisation meets the criteria set out in the Charities Act 2011 - it must be Registered by the Charity Commission (they don't have a choice).

The criteria for Registration are:

(i) Evidence of an annual income of at least £5K.

(ii) Objects (purposes) which are exclusively charitable under the law of England and Wales.

(iii) Be established for the Public Benefit, rather than any personal benefit.

The objects under which CP Charitable Trust were Registered (The advancement of Education) are charitable under the CA 2011 - and its important to recognise that the Charity is a sepearate legal entity from CP itself, which is a commercial company existing like any other such company to make the best proft possible for its shareholders.

Sure CP (the Company) is only interested in making money, that's exactly what it was formed to do. It just gives a percentage of its profits to CP (the Charity), which then applies that income towards its own charitable activities.

It's fine to speculate on CP (the Company) having other motives, but like I said - speculation is different to actual evidence. Anyone with actual evidence of a conspiracy should be handing that over to the Police, or in the case of CP (the Charity) to the Commission.

Seems pretty simple to me - speculation equals fantasy, until proven as being fact.

Becky

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Footnote: The 'Ultra Vires' argument doesn't really hold up, 'leading beyond their authority' is just another way of saying 'leading by example'.

Think about it, anyone can act beyond their authority in the context of taking on additional responsibilities or making contributions above and beyond those normally expected of them. One example would be providing advice or assistance to a colleague who was struggling with something - helping them may not be part of 'your' actual job role, but helping anyway would be acting beyond your authority and generally 'leading by example'.

The problem with companies like CP (that sell management training and 'professional development' packages is that they tend to 'dress things up' in management-speak or pseudo-technical terms intended to make concepte sound more 'professional - unfortunately they don't always make it clear what those actually mean in plain terms.

Rob Willis left an annotation ()

You're a police officer Becky, that says it all. And an American one at that dipping into to our UK tax funded FOI requests at our expense.

What's the mission statement of your particular force then?

Compliance - Obedience - Gullibility

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Rob - Actually its 'Lead, Inspire, Achieve'.

And in case you never noticed the MySociety logo on the Whatdotheyknow website, this site is actually funded by a charity (UK Citizens Online Democracy, Charity Number: 1076346), not through tax revenue.

If you would like to make a donation to support the MySociety project, to help fund its work in making FOI more accessable to the Public, you can do so via the MySociety website:

http://www.mysociety.org/donate/.

I'm sure your contributions will be welcome, mine are.

Becky

Alex Skene left an annotation ()

Given the length of time that has elapsed since the original request was made in 2008, the ensuing discussion has now run its course.

Any further annotations will be removed strictly in line with our moderation policy.
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/help/reque...

Regards
Alex - WhatDoTheyKnow volunteer

A.E. left an annotation ()

What happened to the actual request? The requester did not follow-up?

Angela Snodgrove left an annotation ()

This is in the public interest. You should not remove it. Who appointed you? Common Purpose?

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

All: Original request submitted October 2008, since which time absolutely no 'evidence' presented to anyone by the requester.

Pretty much says it all, difficult to present what does not exist except in the imagination.

Alex: Agreed, this should be closed down.

Angela Snodgrove left an annotation ()

Becky Bear is such a busy little bee, making sure that no corruption is exposed. How much do they pay you?

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Angela: Actually I work for the US Federal Government in Law Enforcement and I make around $52k after tax.

This thread really needs to be closed, there is no public benefit involved in discussing fantasies and conspiracy theories tied to false/misleading information.

Angela Snodgrove left an annotation ()

Low man on the totem pole then.

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