Citizenship Renunciation

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Dear Sir or Madam,

For the benefit of this request for information:

(a) The expression 'person' shall mean a flesh and blood living soul and not a legal fiction.

(b) Please point to the sections of any Acts, Instruments, Treaties, guidance, rules, policies of government or its ministries.

Questions:

In the British Nationality Act 1981 (section 12) (3), a British citizen that has renounced their citizenship must “have or acquire some citizenship or nationality other than British citizenship” within six months:

1. What status does that person have within that six month period?

2. By what authority does parliament or Parliament have to make this requirement?

3. Is there a treaty, or international treaty, or requirement/rule as a member of the United Nations that requires this?

4. What is the difference between citizenship and nationality?

5. Does this apply to British nationals?

6. Does this apply to British subjects?

7. What is a British citizen?

8. What is a British subject?

9. What is a British national?

10. What status does a person have if they do not meet the above requirements within the Act?

11. Is it possible for a legal fiction such as a company or any variation of such to be a British citizen?

12. Are there any lawful or legal differences between 'British' or 'british'?

13. Are there any lawful or legal differences between 'Citizen' or 'citizen'?

14. Does renouncing British citizenship and acquiring another citizenship or nationality have consequences as to whether that former citizen may stay and live in the geographical land area known as Britain whether then being a citizen or national of the EU or outside the EU?

15. What is the lawful or legal status and rights of a citizen of another United Nations member that renounces that citizenship while within the borders of Britain whether?

16. What is the status and rights of a person within the borders of Britain where it is not possible to identify their citizenship or nationally, and are they able to remain within those borders?

17. What would be the process be to regain British citizenship once it has been renounced and another citizenship or nationality has been acquired?

18. What rights does a person have that is stateless under international law?

19. Is a person that has never had their birth in Britain registered a British citizen?

20. How does a British citizen become sovereign?

Yours faithfully,

John Smith

Dear Sir/Madam,

Please be advised that the additional word 'whether' at the end of question 15 is an error and should be ignored. Question 15 should read as follows:

15. What is the lawful or legal status and rights of a citizen of another United Nations member that renounces that citizenship while within the borders of Britain?

Yours faithfully,

John Smith

Freedom Of Information Team \( IND \), Home Office

Dear John Smith

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Your request is being dealt with under the terms of the Freedom of
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Dooley, Kathy,

Dear Mr Smith

Thank you for your enquiry which has been passed to me for reply. Please
find responses to your questions below,

Yours sincerely,

Miss K Dooley
Senior Caseworker
Correspondence and Enquiries Team
Nationality Group.

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Dear Dooley, Kathy,

Dear Ms K Dooley,

Thank you for your informative reply.

In regard to question 2:
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I am a little confused by the answer you gave to question 2:

"2. By what authority does parliament or Parliament have to make this requirement?

It is a constitutional convention that the Parliament at Westminster is competent to make or unmake any law whatever."

My understanding is that constitutional convention means:

Black’s Law Dictionary First Edition 1891

Convention: In English law. An extraordinary assembly of the houses of lords and commons, without the assent or summons of the sovereign. It can only be justified ex necessitate rei, as the parliament which restored Charles II., and that which disposed of the crown and kingdom to William and Mary. Wharton.

In other words, parliament took it upon itself to give itself that power after the civil war. It does not have any authority at all; it just continues to exercise power through the use of violence or we are all slaves owned by something because I have not consented to this, so there is no authority for parliament to exercise its will upon me.

Could there be something else that is missing?

In regard to question 11:
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Further to question 11, is it possible for a British citizen to be a legal fiction as defined in the question?

Also, why do ships and aircraft need to have a nationality?

In regard to question 15:
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Your reply "These will depend on what citizenship they renounce in favour of. Many countries will not recognise a renunciation unless the individual is a dual national and can evidence another citizenship." Suggests that a person is a slave and must submit to the will of a master. Citizenship appears to be a controlling tool where it is only possible to pass from one master to another.

Is it the case then that countries have conspired to to control all peoples on this planet through the use of international treaties (agreements) between themselves?

In regard to question 19:
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The purpose of question 19 was to discover what status a new born child has. My thinking goes like this: A child is born but not registered. Three days later it is abandoned by the parents. The citizenship of the parents is not known.

What status or citizenship does this child have, and what position or rights does it have when it becomes 18 years of age?

In regard to question 20:
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To clarify question 20, by sovereign I mean not being a citizen of any country and exercising my God given rights. If I cannot renounce British citizenship without gaining another citizenship from another country, I am simply a slave. Being sovereign means that I do not have to do this. I am a creation of God, not a country. It cannot be that a legal fiction such as parliament has a higher authority than God. I have also not consented to being controlled unless there has been fraudulent concealment, or the simple use of violence to enforce the will of parliament on me as pointed out above.

So, How does a British citizen become sovereign?

Yours sincerely,

John Smith

Dooley, Kathy,

Dear Mr Smith

Further to your latest correspondence

With regard to question 2:

By convention in this context we mean a custom or pattern of behaviour
which is regular and generally observed. The British constitution is
largely unwritten and therefore consists mainly of such
customs/conventions. The most important characteristic of the British
constitution is the legislative supremacy- sometimes called sovereignty-
of the UK Parliament. Positively this means that Parliament can legally
pass any kind of law whatsoever; negatively it means that there is no
authority whose legal power competes with it or overrides it.

With regard to question 11:

No, the term describes the status of a natural person having the
appropriate characteristics.

With regard to the question as to why ships and aircraft need a
nationality you will need to contact the Department for Transport about
this, this is not an issue for the United Kingdom Border Agency.

With regard to question 15:

This applies to the signatories to the 1961 Convention on the Reduction
of Statelessness.

With regard to question 19

See Section 1(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981 which relates to
foundlings.

Under s.1(2), a new born infant found abandoned in the United Kingdom on
or after 1 January 1983 can be regarded, for the purposes of s.1(1), as
having been:

born in the United Kingdom on or after 1 January 1983; and
born to a parent who at the time of the birth was a British citizen or
settled in the United Kingdom
unless either can be disproved.

(Under s.1(1), a person born in the United Kingdom on or after 1 January
1983 is a British citizen at birth if, at the time of the birth:

either parent is a British citizen; or
either parent is settled in the United Kingdom )

With regard to question 20.

The cannot because of the 1961 UN Convention on the Reduction of
Statelessness.

Yours sincerely

Miss K Dooley

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mark-william:baker left an annotation ()

natural person is still a person under the wording PERSON.ok natural entity how ever is different.
supremacy of parliament can only derive their powers from the people as it is the people that elected them which means the people are supreme and have supremacy just confide their powers into the elected officials.

STATUTE=legeslated rule of society.hmmm what society?to be a member of a society you need membership if you never applied fully knowing for membership then there was concealment and means that there was non full disclosure and can be nullified in a court.i find the mention of 'the 1961 convention' interesting as that smae convention also states that everyone has the right to association!so i take it that works in reverse aswell if you do not wish to associate with the government then well that is your right to do so :)