Dear Madam or Sir,

It appears that the Consulate-General in Hong Kong and Macao, in its press releases and other publications, gives Chinese names to British political figures which are not simply transliterations. For example, a compiled list is available at the popular encyclopedia website Wikipedia.
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%8B%B1%E...

Would you please provide:

1 a list of all such names with their original English-language correspondence;

2 a document setting out the principle of such nomenclature, if such exists; and

3 clarification whether this practice extends to missions in mainland China and other Asian states.

Thank you very much.

(If at all possible, would you please use this email address for this present request, rather than any previous address you might have on file, as I am using a different email address to track each of my requests. Again, many thanks.)

Sincerely,

Dr Kaihsu Tai

Foreign and Commonwealth Office

Dear Mr Dr Tai

Thank you for your Freedom of Information request. It has been passed to
the relevant section within the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to deal
with. They will be in touch with you should your request need
clarification.

We received your request on 5 August 2008 and will aim to respond within
20 working days.

Yours

Samuel Osei-Wusu
Information Management Group
Information Rights Team

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Dear Samuel,

Thank you for your acknowledgement of 5 August 2008 for my request concerning 'Chinese names for British political figures'. In it, you stated that you will aim to respond within 20 working days. I noticed that it has been more than 20 working days since. Could you please check with relevant section within the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to see if it is now in a position to answer my request?

Again, many thanks for your help.

Sincerely,

Kaihsu Tai

Dear Samuel,

Thank you for your acknowledgement of 5 August 2008 for my request
concerning 'Chinese names for British political figures'. In it,
you stated that you will aim to respond within 20 working days. I
noticed that it has been more than 20 working days since. Could you
please check with relevant section within the Foreign and
Commonwealth Office to see if it is now in a position to answer my
request?

Again, many thanks for your help.

Sincerely,

Kaihsu Tai

Foreign and Commonwealth Office

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Dear Dr Tai,

I have been passed your e-mail as I was the designated case manager
assigned to your request.

I believe the response was issued within the deadline and the case is now
closed. Please see attached for your information.

If you have any questions please contact me directly.

Yours Sincerely,

Zanab Sabeh

Ms Zanab Sabeh
Case Manager | Information Management Group| FOI-DPA Information Rights
Team | Old Admiralty Building | SG/124 | London | SW1A 2PA |

Email: [email address]

Telephone: 020 7008 0414

The Foreign and Commonwealth Office holds and uses data for purposes
notified to the Information Commissioner under the Data Protection Act
1998 (which may be consulted at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk ).
Such personal data may be disclosed to other UK Government departments and
public Authorities.

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Dear Ms Sabeh,

Sorry to bother you again. I appreciate very much your assistance on this matter; but the information you sent was encoded in a proprietary format (I gather a product named ‘Microsoft Outlook’) which is impossible to read unless I purchase a piece of software from a private third party.

Would you please send the information in plain text or a more accessible format please?

I again thank you for your help.

Sincerely,

Kaihsu Tai

Kaihsu Tai left an annotation ()

Here is the response letter in plain text.

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03 September 2008

Our ref: 0661-08

Far Eastern Group
WH2.301 King Charles Street
Whitehall London
SW1A 2AH

E-mail: xxxxxxx.xxxxxxx@xxx.xxx.xx

Dr Kaihsu Tai

By email: xxxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx

Dear Dr Tai,

Your Freedom Of Information Request

I am writing to confirm that the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) has now completed its search for the information which you requested on 05 August 2008, in which you asked about the British-Consulate General in Hong Kong and Macao giving Chinese names to British political figures.

The FCO does not have an official list of Chinese translations of names of UK government figures. The British-Consulate General in Hong Kong (BCGHK) has a list, which I attach, but this is for internal reference only. This is not an official, or an exhaustive list of translated names.

We are not aware of any FCO documents setting out the principles of translations of British names into Chinese. Where a person already has a translated Chinese name, the BCGHK will use this existing translation. However, some of the names on the Wikipedia list you mentioned in your request will have been translated by the staff at the BCGHK. Where BCGHK staff do need to translate a name, in most cases they use the common Hong Kong style of taking the first syllable of the person’s surname and translating it into a suitable Chinese surname (which becomes the first character of the person’s Chinese name). The second two characters are usually based on the person’s given English name. The characters used usually resemble the sound of the person’s English name but the meaning of the characters is also considered in translating a name.

British Missions in mainland China commonly use the translation of the name provided by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing. Since the name given by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is replicated in official media throughout China, this becomes the de facto official translation. Unless there is exceptional reason to do otherwise (e.g. having an existing Chinese name), British Missions use this Ministry of Foreign Affairs translation.

If you are unhappy with the service you have received in relation to your request and wish to make a complaint or request a review of our decision, you should write to me within 40 days.

If you are not content with the outcome of your complaint, you may apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a decision. Generally, the Information Commissioner cannot make a decision unless you have exhausted the complaints procedure provided by the FCO. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: Information Commissioner's Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire SK9 5AF.

Patrick Hopkins
Far Eastern Group

Kaihsu Tai left an annotation ()

And here is the list attached.

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UK GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS NAMELIST

Abbott, Adrian 艾伯特
Adam, Stuart 司徒艾
Adley, Robert 艾德禮
Adonis, Lord 艾德思勛爵
Alexander, Douglas 艾力生
Allpress, Tim 敖菩思
Amos, Baroness (Valerie) 艾維莉女男爵
Ancram, Michael 艾敬文
Appleyard, Leonard Vincent 艾博雅
Armitage, David 區建承
Armstrong, Hilary 艾希妮
Ashton, Catherine, 艾嘉蓮女男爵
(Baroness Ashton of upholland)
Atkins, Robert 區建承
Atkinson, Graham 艾普森
Austin, Ian 區義安
Balls, Ed 博雅文
Baker, Nicholas 貝禮高
Baker, Helen 白海倫
Baker, Tony 白楝樑
Barber, Prof Michael 巴栢教授
Bates, Michael 貝萬豪
Battle, John 貝德禮
Beckett, Margaret 貝嘉晴
Bell, David 鐘大衛
Benn, Hilary 彭浩禮
Blair, Tony 貝理雅
Blake, Lord, of Braydeston 包立祺勛爵
Blaker, Sir Peter 百禮嘉爵士
Blears, Hazel 貝海珊
Blunkett, David 白文傑
Boateng, Paul 布德能
Boothroyd, Betty 龐碧婷
Bottomley, Virginia JP 包定禮夫人
Boyd, Sir John 布義德爵士
Bray, Jeremy 彭哲明
Brewer, David 白樂威
Brittan, Sir Leon 布列坦爵士
Brown, Gordon 白高敦
Brown, Sarah 白秀琳
Brown, Sir Mark 白文祺
Brown, Nick 白禮勤
Brown, Stephen 博思文
Brown, Sir Stephen(BTI, GCE) 白世勳爵士
Browne, Des 彭 德
Bryan, Sir Paul 白保羅爵士
Burnham, Andy 貝安德
Bullock, Keith 布洛克
Burns, Joe 貝祖爾
Byers, Stephen 拜爾斯(布偉思)
Caborn, Richard 簡邦安
Cahn, Andrew 簡安俊
Caithness, The Earl of 祈福禮伯爵
Cameron, Ann 金曼玲
Carnegie-Brown, Colonel Mark 賀志朗
Canavan, Denis 簡德宏
Carter, Lord 簡 德勛爵
Cater, Lord Bonham 簡達德勛爵
Cater, Sir Jack 姬 達爵士
Chalker, Baroness 蔡雅嘉女男爵
Clark, David 簡禮祺
Clarke, Kenneth 祁淦禮
Clarke, Kenneth QC 祁世勳
Clarke, Charles 祈卓禮
Clarke, Peter 柯佩德
Clarke, Tom 祈家楝
Clarke, Val 祈嘉蔚
Cohen, Mike 科 恩
Collin, Alan 柯安龍
Cook, Robin 郭偉邦
Cooper, Robert 顧百德
Cooper, Yvette 顧綺慧
Cope, Sir John 高澤安
Cork, Roger 郝禮澤(曾任倫敦市長)
Cousins, Jim 顧善誠
Cowper-Coles, Sherard 古沛勤
Craddock, Sir Percy 柯利達爵士
Culley, Margaret 簡麗文
Cunningham, Dr Jack (John) 簡力行博士
Dain, David 丁達偉
Darling, Alistair 戴理德
Davies, Howard 戴維士
Davies, Ron 戴華士
Davis, Lord Clinton 祈禮德勛爵
Denham, John 鄧俊安
Denton, Baroness 鄧黛婷女男爵
Dewar, Donald 狄華仁
Dobson, Frank 杜 森
Donald, Alan Ewen 唐立德
Dorrell, Stephen 杜世勳
Douglas-Hamilton, Lord James 戴漢敦勛爵
Dubs, Lord 戴柏誠勛爵
Dykes, Hugh 戴啟思
Edmonds, David 顏大偉
Eggar, Tim 艾家田
Ehrman, William 歐威廉
Evans, Sir Richard Mark 伊文思
Fatchett, Derek 范卓德
Faulds, Andrews 霍德善
Featherstone, Simon 石 羽
Finch, Robert 費樂彬(倫敦金融城首長)
(Alderman Robert Finch, Lord Mayor of the City of London)
Flight, Howard 費立德
Flint, Caroline 費嘉琳
Folland, Richard 方浩霖
Forsyth, Michael 霍司富
Forth, Eric 霍毅年
Foulkes, George 霍基善
Foster, Derek 霍仕德
Fowler, Sir Norman 霍禮文爵士
Fox, Kate 霍家祺
Fraser, Andrew 范安俊
Freeman, Roger 范禮文
Fry, Graham 范錦洪
Galsworthy, Sir Anthony C 高德年爵士
Gapes, Mike 紀柏思
Geddes, Lord 簡迪思勛爵
George, Eddie (Governor, Bank of England) 左毅達(英倫銀行行長)
Gibbs, Peter 紀秉生
Gibson, Mark 吉布森
Gilbert, Mary 姚瑪莉
Gloucester, Duchess of 格洛斯特公爵夫人
Goldsmith QC, Lord 高仕文勛爵
Goodlad, Alastair 顧立德
Goodson-Wickes, Charles 顧信榮
Grocott, Lord 高樂康勛爵
Griffiths, Nigel 祁禮聰
Grocott, Lord 高樂康勛爵
Gummer, John 甘孟賢
Hague, William 夏偉林
Hain, Peter 韓培德
Hanley, Jeremy 韓俊明
Harman, Harriet 夏雅雯
Harris, David 夏理善
Haworth, Carol 花 茹
Hawtin, Michael 郝邁可
Henderson, Matthew 韓馬休
Heseltine, Michael 夏舜霆
Hewitt, Patricia 賀韻芝
Hodge, Margaret 賀敏嘉
Hogg, Douglas, QC 何郝傑
Hood, Andrew 侯安俊
Hoon, Geoff 禢智輝
Hornby, Derek 韓恩彼
Horne, Mike J. 韓萬祺
Howard, Ian 賀偉德
Howard, Michael 夏偉明
Howarth, Alan 賀維富
Howe, Lord, of Aberavon 賀 維勛爵
Howell, David 侯大為
Hughen, Robert 侯聿彬
Hughes, Beverley 侯珮莉
Hum, Christopher 韓奎發
Hurd, Douglas 韓達德
Hutchins, Lieutenant-Colonel Jeremy 夏展新中校
Hutton, John 夏 敦
Ingram, Derek 葉德禮
Irvine, Lord, of Lairg 艾偉儀勛爵
Johnson, Alan 莊翰生
Jarrett, Anne 嘉麗安
Jarvis, Dr Richard 翟偉仕博士
Jay, Baroness, of Paddington 翟雅兒女男爵
Jay, Lord Michael 翟文高勛爵
Jones, Robert 鍾樂彬
Jopling, Michael 左沛齡
Jordon, Sir John 朱爾典
Jowell, Tessa 蔣黛思
Kaufman, Gerald 郭富民
Kelly, Chris 祈禮彥
Kelly, Ruth 簡樂芙
Kinnock, Neil, Lord 金諾克勛爵
Kirkhope, Timothy 郝浩文
Knill, Sir John 黎佐賢爵士
Kynoch, George 簡諾治
Laing, Martin 凌萬德
Lambert, Peter 蘭百德
Lang, Ian 凌怡安
Large, Andrew 黎駱柱
Lawrence, Sir Ivan 羅禮善
Lester, Jim 李思達
Lestor, Joan 黎詩桃
Lever, Simon 李 賽
Liddell, Helen 利凱琳
Lilley, Peter 李秉德
Longbottom, Julia 藍君雅
Luce, Richard 雷 斯
Maaten, Jules 馬楚思
MacDonald, Lord, of Tradeston 麥道林勛爵
MacGregor, John 麥傑嘉
MacKay, Lord, of Clashfern FRSE 麥敬彥勛爵
MacKay, Andrew J. 麥敬宜
MacLaren, Robin 麥若彬
MacShane, Dr Denis 麥守謙博士
Major, John 馬卓安
Malloch-Brown, Lord Mark 麥禮文
Mandelson, Peter 文德森
Mango, Edith (Mrs) 文樂高夫人
Marchwood, Viscount, 馬俊桓子爵
of Penang & Marchwood
Marek, Dr John 馬偉祺
Mawhinney, Dr Brian 繆柏安博士
Mayhew, Sir Patrick, QC 麥培俊勛爵
Maude, Francis 麥浩德
McCabe, Tom 麥敬文
McCartney, Ian 麥家禮
McLaren, Sir Robin Taylor 麥若彬
McNama, John 麥 江
Meacher, Michael 麥卓賢
Michael, Alun 麥文高
Milburn, Alan 苗易彬
Miliband, David 文禮彬
Miliband, Ed 文立彬
Milligan, Eric 苗禮勤
Mingay, Ray 梅因閣
Morgan, Rhodri 莫格恩
Morley, Elliot 莫艾禮
Morris, Estelle 莫莉絲
Mowlam, Dr Marjorie 毛美琳博士
Moyle, Roland 莫樂林
Molyneanx, John 莫理思
Mulgrove, James Sidney 繆卓誠
Murphy, Alan 馬瑞安
Murphy, Paul 馬偉輝
Needham, Richard 李德衡
Nelson, Anthony 黎雅紳
Newton, Antony OBE 黎安泰
Nunn, Stuart 那 恩
O’Brien, Mike 歐柏文
O’Brien, Stephen 歐世勳
Ogilvy, Angus 安格斯親王
Owen, D 敖偉文
(Registrar of the Privy Council)
Owen, David A L (Dr) 歐 文
Parkinson, Cecil 白啟新
Pattullo, Bruce 彭博思
Pearson, Ian 裴毅生
Pedder, William 裴達德
Pennant-Rea, Rupert 彭禮達
Pentecost, Michael 彭德高
Phippard, Sonia 費佩婷
Portillo, Michael 博文高
Prescott, John 彭仕國
Provost, Lord 布域思勛爵
Purnell, James 貝禮高
Raison, Timothy 溫以誠
Rammell, Bill 韋明浩
Rathour, B 李 輝
Redwood, John 韋桓德
Reid, Dr John 韋俊安博士
Renton, Tim 韋安庭
Rhodes, Lord 羅樂善勛爵
Ricketts, Mike 李凱慈
Ricketts, Peter 李啟思
Richard, Lord 李卓達勛爵
Rifkind, Malcolm QC 聶偉敬
Robertson, George 羅沛誠
Roberts, Christopher 羅傑輝
Roberts, David 羅德維
Roger, Janet 羅綺慧
Rogers, Allan 羅傑斯
Rook, Mark 陸 可
Rutland, Daniel 盧德蘭
Sackville, Tom 石景輝
Sainsbury, Lord David, of Turville 盛博理勛爵 (洗大偉)
Sainsbury, Tim 洗寶田
Salmon, Rupert 孫立邦
Schafer, Luise 商穎露
Scotland, Baroness, of Asthal QC 施佩雅女男爵
Scott, Nicholas 史恪德
Sharp, James 沈俊誠
Shephard, Gillian 石珍妮
Shepard, John 施柏德
Shore, Peter 宋志雅
Short, Clare 商麗雅
Sigler, Nick 薛立祺
Silverman, Andrew 薛偉文
Sims, Roger 冼晤思
Smith, Andrew 施安澤
Smith, Angela 施安琳
Smith, Chris 冼敏治
Smith, Dr Laurence 布樂瑞
Smith, Jacqui 施卓琪
Smith, Steve 史蒂夫
Soames, Nicholas 宋明思(沈力高)
Soley, Clive 宋啟勳
Standley, Martin 史丹利
Stanley, Sir John 史泰利爵士
Steel, Sir David 施達賢
Steel, Henry 施德義
Stewardson, Nigel 施維信
Stewart, Allan 邵德偉
Strang, Gavin 施敬宏
Straw, Jack 施仲宏
Sumberg, David 岑達偉
Symons, Baroness 施文珊女男爵
Taylor, Ann 戴麗安
Tebbit, Lord Norman 譚百德勛爵
Timms, Stephen 唐士勳
Townend, Warren 唐偉倫
Tremayne, Bruce 崔美恩
Trimble, David 蔣達偉
Troop, Patricia 陶佩詩
Turnbull, Sir Andrew 杜培禮爵士
Turner, Leigh 杜禮賢
Usher, Janet 倪卓玲
Waldegrave, William 韋德君
Walden, John 華樂庭
Wakefield, Sir Peter 韋國勳爵士
Wardle, Charles 華樂德
Wareing, Robert 華雅賢
Warner, Lord, of Brockley (Norman Warner) 華樂民勛爵
Wendel, Alex 韋德賢
Wicks, Sir Nigels 韋力志爵士
Widdecome, Ann 韋黛琴
Wijkman, Anders (MEP) 韋安迪 (歐洲國會議員)
William, Lord, of Mostyn QC 韋利斯勛爵
Williams, Sir David 威廉士爵士
Willoughby de Broke, Lord 威洛夫比勛爵
Wilson, Brian 衛邦安
Wood, Chris 胡傑思
Woodward, Shaun 伍劭恩
Woolf, Lord 伍爾夫勳爵
Yeo, Timothy 姚添輝
Youde, Edward 尤 德
Young, Sir George 楊佐義爵士
Young, Sir Robin 楊樂彬爵士

Dear Ms Sabeh,

With the help of a colleague, I was finally able to open the file: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ch...

Would you please consider the file format issues when responding to future requests?

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,

Kaihsu Tai

Foreign and Commonwealth Office

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Dear Dr Tai,

I'm happy to resend the information. If this doesn't work I will arrange
for a hard copy to be sent by post, however I will need a forwarding
address.

Regards

Zanab Sabeh

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Dear Ms Sabeh,

I can confirm that I have received all the information I need. I really appreciate all your help in this matter.

Sincerely,

Kaihsu Tai

Kaihsu Tai left an annotation ()

The result is being fed back to Wikipedia. I note that a few notable persons such as Chris Patten 彭定康 are not on this list.

Francis Irving left an annotation ()

Link to discussion about adding this information to Wikipedia.

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%E8%8B...

Francis Irving left an annotation ()

And a note that the WhatDoTheyKnow code has been improved to automatically remove the attachments from the Outlook message, so part of the above discussion makes no sense now.

Clithering left an annotation ()

Further to the reply from FCO dated September 2008, I should be grateful if Dr Tai can put a new request for an updated version of the list, preferably including the names of the new Con-Lib Dem cabinet.

Kaihsu Tai left an annotation ()

Any interested parties can send in a request themselves for an update. (I am not planning to do so.)

Kaihsu Tai left an annotation ()

Clithering sent a follow-up request here: http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ch...

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