Cheating Recruits of H.M Forces.

Alvin Pritchard. made this Freedom of Information request to Ministry of Defence

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Alvin Pritchard.

Dear Sir or Madam,Why does the M.O.D fail to educate recruits at ANY stage of the recruiting process, to the reality of mental and phisical trauma of combat, that one can quite esily sustain by serving in H.M Forces, and do you not think that this is cheating any potential recruit?

Yours faithfully,

Alvin Pritchard.

R Symonds left an annotation ()

Isn't this a leading question? Certainly it assumes that recruits do not get informed of the stresses of combat.

VC206 left an annotation ()

I was never informed during recruitment, training or at any other point during my service.

R Symonds left an annotation ()

I've done recruiting work for the RN, it's in the guidelines that we must. I have turned away several candidates who weren't up to it myself! I'm just concerned as the request could be declined for being vexatious.

VC206 left an annotation ()

@Symonds

Vexatious is a label given by the MoD when someone doesn't take no for an answer because there is merit in their argument and the MoD are worried about where it might lead.

As for the tone, MoD civil servants that cannot address requests from those suffering are better off in a job where they can't prejudice the interests of others.

I read this request as requiring a statement of current tri-service policy and procedure, who is responsible, what it is, when it came into effect and why the procedure is as it is and how they determine it's efficacy.

Nothing should be vexatious in the first instance. Few will know they have been listed as the MoD use a peculiar turn of phrase form an expired MOD DIN05-027; I should know as I'm one of just over two hundred listed. In my case it was using the FoI and DPA act to pursue the reasons for the MoD criminally refusing to process a lawful WPA application in accordance with guidance they gave to me! Essentially, I was listed for seeking transparency of the WP process and refusing to submit to a secret process of assessment and determination where the MoD have multiple conflicts of interest.

While in your recruitment position, did you show the imagery of combat trauma and give a full and detailed explanation of combat induced PTSD ?

Full disclosure of such things is clearly in the best interest of the applicant, but it can be argued that it's not in the best interests of the recruiting service and that reasons I do not believe it's being done to the extent that it needs to be or that enough of the right things are being done to help the traumatised.

R Symonds left an annotation ()

Imagery of combat trauma and give a full and detailed explanation of combat induced PTSD is covered in basic training.

More to the point, 'vexatious' is a term used in the FoI act, see http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/l... - they can turn down your request if it is rudely worded. My suggestion would be to reword it thusly:

"Please inform me of any and all training and information given to potential and actual recruits regarding combat trauma and combat induced PTSD"

This way you also miss out the statement of opinion you ask for at the end, which they are not obliged to answer, as opinion is not covered under the FOIA

VC206 left an annotation ()

Additionally, there was no imagery of combat trauma or a full and detailed explanation of combat induced PTSD covered at any time during my training, no briefing ahead of War, no debriefing after War and no follow-up.

While some changes may have taken place since my service, those changes are clearly not mitigating the incidence of combat induced PTSD. This however is not my request, I am only commenting, because I have an interest and understanding of the cause and effect that is very different from the current model and a desire to change the way combat PTSD is viewed and treated, i.e., clinically as a physical injury rather than pseudo-scientifically as a so called "mental health" problem.

For that and other reasons, I absolutely doubt the explanation of combat induced PTSD being given at any point is either detailed or accurate and I would be interested to know when the information and training was introduced to potential and actual recruits.

On other matters, your rewording shows that it is possible to see through the requesters choice of wording to a clear understanding and I would urge the requester to clarify the request immediately before the MoD wait for the 20th day to seek such or or ignore it (as they so often do).

The link to the ICO's vexatious guidance is not the law. For the law see section 14 which is much more succinct.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2000/pla...

Dear Sir or Madam,
Additionally to my original request.---- Can you please inform me of any and ALL training and information given to potential and actual recruits regarding Combat trauma and Combat induced P.T.S.D. Thank you kindly.

Yours faithfully,

Alvin Pritchard.

Alvin Pritchard. left an annotation ()

To, R.Symonds and VC206.----- When the M.O.D respond to my request, i would be very interested for both your expert opinions on the reply that they give, before i reply to them with my obsivations on this subject, if you would be so kind to do so. Thanking you in advance gents. ----- Alvin.

Alvin Pritchard.

Dear Sir or Madam,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Ministry of Defence's handling of my FOI request 'Cheating Recruits of H.M Forces.'.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ch...

Yours faithfully,

Alvin Pritchard.

CIO-FOI (MULTIUSER),

Dear Mr Pritchard

The request below is being dealt with under reference
04-09-2009-101238-004.

However, it appears that we have not received the original request to
which you refer and this was not picked up in your email below. Can you
please resend it and we will ensure that it is passed to the appropriate
subject matter expert.

Many thanks
CIO-Access

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Alvin Pritchard.

Dear CIO-FOI (MULTIUSER) ----------------- RE: F.O.I REQUEST, "CHEATING RECRUITS OF H.M.FORCES".

I believe you are playing games with my request in the hope of evading my question.
That is why we find that some 10,000 ex service personal in the U.K are listed as "patients" under the care of Combat Stress mental welfare society, 1 in 6 homeless people in this country (effectively modern day tramps) are found to be ex-service people.
Add to this the fact that 1 in 7 inmates serving a sentence in H.M Prisons, are also found to be ex-service people, and more veterans of the Falklands War have now sadly committed suicide than were killed in that war!!
One has to ask the question, -- If these people were properly educated at the recruitment stage of joining up in the subject of "battlefield Trauma," would these statistics have been any different?
I put it to you that the M.O.D deliberately avoids properly educating this subject to recruits, on the basis that it would frighten most of them away!!
This amounts to gross negligence of the highest order, and is indeed, cheating recruits of H.M.Forces.
** Everything in this text is factual, nothing in this text is vexatious **

Yours sincerely,

Alvin Pritchard.

Alvin Pritchard. left an annotation ()

To, R.Symonds and VC206. ----- Come in now with your observations. --- Regards - Alvin.

R Symonds left an annotation ()

Try not to "rant" quite as much. Letters to your MP are for ranting, Freedom of Information requests are for requesting information. The person answering them doesn't decide policy, he just searches for the answer to the question you ask.

From the 'About' section of WDTK:

"Please put in your request only what is needed so that someone can easily identify what information you are asking for. Please do not include arguments about your cause"

Just concentrate on the question you're asking.

Alvin Pritchard.

Dear CIO-FOI (MULTIUSER), -------- RE:Your Ref 04-09-2009-101238-004.
Once again, My original question of the 16th August 2009 to you was ----- Can you please inform me of any and ALL training and information given to potential and actual recruits of H.M Forces regarding the subject of Combat trauma and combat induced P.T.S.D

With Best Regards,

Yours sincerely,

Alvin Pritchard.

VC206 left an annotation ()

Alvin, I agree with all your points.

It is my contention that combat induced PTSD is a physical disability and not a psychological disorder. The probability of it occurring tends toward 1 in those under 25's who find themselves at the tip of the spear.

The MoD advocate creepy crawly psycho's pedaling pseudo-science and snake oil to vulnerable veterans in preference to scientific research conducted by medical professionals and physiologists. They do not want the truth about PTSD to be known.

Alvin Pritchard. left an annotation ()

VC 206.... If it is one thing that i have learnt from my battlefield experiences, is that we have a duty to educate others, so they are better prepared and the same does not happen to them.
And by god, i will be distracted by no one in completing this rightful mission. -- Thank You for your support sir.

Alvin Pritchard. left an annotation ()

As one can now see, The M.O.D has a very arrogant side to them when they know that they are beaten.

Alvin Pritchard.

24 February 2010

23rd February 2010

Case Reference Number FS50288085

Dear Mr Pritchard,

Your information request to the Ministry of Defence (MoD)

Further to my previous correspondence, I have now written to the
MoD to provide them with a copy of your original request, reminding
it of its responsibilities and asking it to respond to you within
10 working days of receiving our letter. I attach a copy for your
information.

As you will see, even though the Commissioner does not intend to
issue a formal notice in this case, your concerns have been taken
seriously. Thank you for bringing this matter to the attention of
the Information Commissioner.

If the MoD responds and refuses to release the information you have
asked for and you are dissatisfied, you may, after exhausting their
internal complaints procedure, complain to us again.

This case has now been closed with the delayed response element
showing as ‘withdrawn’ on our records. If you do not receive a
response within 10 working days or are dissatisfied after having
exhausted the internal review process mentioned above and would
like us to look into the matter, please contact us quoting the
reference number on this letter.

Should you have any questions about this please contact our
Helpline on 0303 123 1113.

Yours sincerely,

Jenny Sanders

FoI Case Reception Unit

Information Commissioner’s Office.

DCDS PERS-SEC-FOI MAILBOX (MULTIUSER),

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Dear Mr Pritchard,

Please find attached a response to your Freedom of Information request. I
would like to apologise for the late response.

Yours sincerely

DCDS PERS Secretariat FOI

Alvin Pritchard.

Dear DCDS PERS-SEC-FOI MAILBOX (MULTIUSER),
Sir, Thank you for your reply.
It was a shame that my question took so long to answer, and i had to bang a few heads along the way, however, we got there in the end.
Best Wishes.

Yours sincerely,

Alvin Pritchard.