Bus Station

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Dear Stoke on Trent City Council,

Could you provide a copy of;

a) the paperwork between the council and new shopping centre company which includes how much they will pay for the bus station and when

b) projects budget and forecast cost

Yours faithfully,

trevor jones

Stephanie Lowe, Stoke on Trent City Council

Dear Mr Jones
Your request for information
Thank you for your request for information about the bus station. Your
request was received on 1 September and I am dealing with it under the
terms of the Freedom of Information Act 2000.
In some circumstances we may charge for information. If there is a charge
I will let you know as you will have to pay it before we deal with your
request.
Some information does not have to be released under the Freedom of
Information Act. We will check the information you have asked for and send
you as much as possible. If another person or organisation is named in the
information we may have to ask their opinion before we decide what we can
give you.

You should expect to receive a response to your request on or before 29
September 2011, in line with the Acts 20 working day statutory deadline.

For your information we may publish the response to your request on our
City Council's website, which can be found at the following address:
[1]www.stoke.gov.uk.

If you have any queries about this email please do not hesitate to contact
me.
Yours sincerely

Stephanie Lowe | Business Administration Administrator
Supporting Information Rights
Business Services Directorate
Stoke-on-Trent City Council
Stoke Town Hall
ST4 1HH
01782 232853

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Hannah Holdcroft, Stoke on Trent City Council

Dear Mr Jones

 

Your request for information on the new bus station

 

We have now considered your request for information and although we do
hold the information that you have asked for, unfortunately it is exempt
under section 43 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and will not be
released.

 

Section 43(2) of the Act allows us to withhold information where
disclosure of that information would be likely to prejudice the commercial
interests of any person.

 

This exemption applies because it is likely to prejudice the commercial
interests of both the City Council and Realis if specific details of
financial arrangements that they have negotiated are made public.

 

It is considered that the public interest in withholding the information
is stronger than the public interest in disclosing it in this case. This
is because disclosure of this information would result in commercial
organisations being less inclined to tender with the City Council, which
would counter the Council's primary objective to obtain best value for the
goods and services it purchases on behalf of the public.

 

If you have any queries about this email, please do not hesitate to
contact me.

 

If you are unhappy with the service you have received in relation to your
request and wish to make a complaint or request a review of our decision,
you should write to: Louise Kelly, Freedom of Information and Data
Protection Manager, Support: Business Services, Stoke Town Hall, Glebe
Street, ST4 1HH or email [1][Stoke on Trent City Council request email].

 

If, after contacting us, you are not content with the outcome, you may ask
the Information Commissioner for a decision. Generally, the Information
Commissioner cannot make a decision unless you have already used our
appeal procedure. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: The
Information Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow,
Cheshire, SK9 5AF.

 

Yours sincerely,

Hannah Holdcroft

 

 

Hannah Holdcroft | Freedom of Information and Data Protection Officer

Information Rights | Support: Business Services 

City of Stoke-on-Trent 

GF23 Stoke Town Hall  Glebe Street  Stoke-on-Trent  ST4 1HH

t 01782 232853

e [email address] <mailto:[email address]>

 

 

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M. Floyd left an annotation ()

Just ask for the internal review and then forward it to the FOI Commissioner. It is obvious that wide public has right to know the details.

Ian Norris left an annotation ()

Most the information you request should be in the s106 planning agreement.

Which is in public domain and viewable in the planning department

craig jones left an annotation ()

This is nonsense.

Please see: http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/...

(guidance from Information Commissioner)

Dear Stoke on Trent City Council,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Stoke on Trent City Council's handling of my FOI request 'Bus Station' taking into account the ICO guidance on Pubic Interest Test in particular release of this information will;

- facilitate the accountability and transparency of public authorities for decisions taken by them
- facilitate accountability and transparency in the spending of public money
- allow individuals to understand decisions made by public authorities affecting their lives and, in some cases, assist individuals in challenging those decisions

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/bu...

Yours faithfully,

trevor jones

FOI, Stoke on Trent City Council

Dear Trevor,

Thank you for your correspondence requesting an Internal Review, which was received on 16 October 2011, regarding your request for information about the new bus station.

I am now considering this Review and you should hear from me within 20 working days, starting the day after your correspondence was received. The deadline I am working to is the 11 November 2011.

If you have any queries about this email please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely,
Information Rights

Information Rights | Support: Business Services
City of Stoke-on-Trent
GF23 Stoke Town Hall Glebe Street Stoke-on-Trent ST4 1HH
t 01782 232853
e [Stoke on Trent City Council request email]

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Dear FOI,

In your response you used the reason of a competitive prices. Could you provide details of the tender process was undertaken which Realis won?

Yours sincerely,

trevor jones

FOI, Stoke on Trent City Council

Dear Mr Jones,

Your request for information

Thank you for your request for information about Realis. Your request was
received on 20 October 2011 and I am dealing with it under the terms of
the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

In some circumstances we may charge for information. If there is a charge
I will let you know as you will have to pay it before we deal with your
request.

Some information does not have to be released under the Freedom of
Information Act. We will check the information you have asked for and send
you as much as possible. If another person or organisation is named in the
information we may have to ask their opinion before we decide what we can
give you.

 

You should expect to receive a response to your request on or before 17
November 2011, in line with the Acts 20 working day statutory deadline.

 

For your information we may publish the response to your request on our
City Council's website, which can be found at the following address:
[1]www.stoke.gov.uk.

 

If you have any queries about this email please do not hesitate to contact
me.

Yours sincerely,

Information Rights

 

 

Information Rights | Support: Business Services 

City of Stoke-on-Trent 

GF23 Stoke Town Hall  Glebe Street  Stoke-on-Trent  ST4 1HH

t 01782 232853

e [2][Stoke on Trent City Council request email]

 

 

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craig jones left an annotation ()

Oh dear...

Have SOTCC all gone on holiday? seems very few responses coming out of Town Hall recently.

FOI, Stoke on Trent City Council

Dear Mr Jones,
 
I have now conducted an Internal Review regarding your request for
information about Hanley Bus Station.
 
I can confirm that your Review has been upheld in part.  Please find my
explanation for this below.
 
Your Request:
 
Could you provide a copy of;
 
a) the paperwork between the council and new shopping centre company which
includes how much they will pay for the bus station and when
 
b) projects budget and forecast cost
 
Our Response:
 
We have now considered your request for information and although we do
hold the information that you have asked for, unfortunately it is exempt
under section 43 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and will not be
released.
 
Section 43(2) of the Act allows us to withhold information where
disclosure of that information would be likely to prejudice the commercial
interests of any person.
 
This exemption applies because it is likely to prejudice the commercial
interests of both the City Council and Realis if specific details of
financial arrangements that they have negotiated are made public.
 
It is considered that the public interest in withholding the information
is stronger than the public interest in disclosing it in this case. This
is because disclosure of this information would result in commercial
organisations being less inclined to tender with the City Council, which
would counter the Council's primary objective to obtain best value for the
goods and services it purchases on behalf of the public.
 
Your Internal Review:
 
I am writing to request an internal review of Stoke on Trent City
Council's handling of my FOI request 'Bus Station' taking into account the
ICO guidance on Pubic Interest Test in particular release of this
information will:
 
- facilitate the accountability and transparency of public authorities for
decisions taken by them
- facilitate accountability and transparency in the spending of public
money
- allow individuals to understand decisions made by public authorities
affecting their lives and, in some cases, assist individuals in
challenging those decisions
 
Internal Review Response:
 
The Council applied Section 43(2) of the Freedom of Information Act,
(Commercial interests) to the information that you had requested.  However
following liaison with the Place, City Renewal Services Section, it has
now become apparent that some of the information that you had requested
has now been released into the public domain and therefore Section 43 does
not apply to all the information that you have requested.  As a result, I
am now happy to be able to provide you with the information below.
 
In a ‘Make it Stoke’ and Realis press release from Cheryl Smith on 26 May
2010 the following was made publically available:
 
‘The city council agreed to grant outline planning consent for the East
West project in February 2009 and a development agreement between Realis
Estates and Stoke-on-Trent City Council was signed in December 2009. Under
the agreement, Realis will make a £4.5 million contribution to the new
bus station. 
 
Authority has been obtained to appoint Vinci Construction UK to carry out
the bus station works, the contract value is £9.6M (excluding enabling
works ground stabilisation at £0.7M).
 
However the exemption at Section 43(2) Commercial Interests applied in our
original response still applies to your request to be provided with a copy
of the Development Agreement between Stoke-on-Trent City Council and
Realis.  The public interest has also been reconsidered and your
references in your Internal Review to the public interest have been taken
into account, however, the Council still believes that the public interest
is not best served by releasing a copy of the Development Agreement into
the public domain, because it will damage the commercial interests of the
City Council; and Realis in securing financing for the scheme, tenants,
consultants and building contractors.
 
If you have any queries about this email, please do not hesitate to
contact me.
 
If you are still not content with the outcome, you may ask the Information
Commissioner for a decision.
 
The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: The Information
Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9
5AF.
 
Yours sincerely,
Information Rights
 
 
Information Rights | Support: Business Services 
City of Stoke-on-Trent 
GF23 Stoke Town Hall  Glebe Street  Stoke-on-Trent  ST4 1HH
t 01782 235965
e [1][Stoke on Trent City Council request email]
 

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Mike Barnes left an annotation ()

I hope you refer this to the info commissioner ;) please ;)

FOI, Stoke on Trent City Council

Dear Mr Jones
 
Your request for information on Procurement
 
I am sorry for the delay in this response. However we have now considered
your request for information and the information is below.
 
The City Council did not have a procurement exercise in this case as at
the time of the commencement there was no recognised obligation to do so.
 
The information supplied may be used for domestic or journalistic
purposes. Its use for commercial gain including issuing to the public may
be subject to the issue of a licence under the Reuse of Public Sector
Information Regulations 2005.
 
If you have any queries about this email, please do not hesitate to
contact me.
 
If you are unhappy with the service you have received in relation to your
request and wish to make a complaint or request a review of our decision,
you should write to: Freedom of Information and Data Protection Manager,
Support: Business Services, Stoke Town Hall, Glebe Street, ST4 1HH or
email [Stoke on Trent City Council request email].
 
If, after contacting us, you are not content with the outcome, you may ask
the Information Commissioner for a decision. Generally, the Information
Commissioner cannot make a decision unless you have already used our
appeal procedure. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: The
Information Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow,
Cheshire, SK9 5AF.
 
Yours sincerely,
Information Rights
 
 
Information Rights | Support: Business Services 
City of Stoke-on-Trent 
GF23 Stoke Town Hall  Glebe Street  Stoke-on-Trent  ST4 1HH
t 01782 232853
e [1][Stoke on Trent City Council request email]
 
 
 
 

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Mike Barnes left an annotation ()

Whilst a councillor I made some enquiries about the building of the new bus station, if particular its delay.

The response I received was that their was considerable risk to the council that it was trying to offset. This was due to the bus station relocation being wholly reliant on Realis through its planning application and development, largely due to the council's own tight finances and the government's refusal to add any significant funding because it is not see as regional or nationally as holding any importantance, based on its isolation from other public transport services (ie trains).

The impression I got was that the developer was not prepared to pay its share of the bus station "upfront" and one conclusion you could draw from this is the uncertainty and lack of confidence of the development going ahead at the time.

Legal conmplications then ensued. The planning application places condidtions on the developer regarding a bus station and its contribution through a 106 agreement but only "after" its commmencement, a paradox for the council who wanted it built first.

The development is obviously still only at outline stage in planning terms.

The whole issue highlights the fragility of the development and Hanley's limited potential with a continued failure to make a clear and distinctive link between the City Centre to the Railway Station.

Dear FOI,

Due to your refusal I have referred this to the ICO.

Yours sincerely,

trevor jones

FOI, Stoke on Trent City Council

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Dear Mr Jones,

 

Following your complaint to the Information Commissioner's Office,
regarding your request for information below:

 

“a) the paperwork between the council and new shopping centre company
which includes how much they will pay for the bus station and when

 

 b) projects budget and forecast cost.”

 

The Council has now reconsidered this request for information and it can
confirm that it does consider that the information you have asked for is
'environmental information', as defined in Regulation 2(1) of the
Environmental Information Regulations 2004. 

 

As the information relates to the planning and development of City Sentral
Bus Station, it is considered that this meets the criteria of the
environmental information definitions cited at Regulation 2(1)(c)
“measures such as policies, legislation, plans, programmes, environmental
agreements, and activities likely to affect the elements and factors of
the state of the elements of the environment” and 2(1)(f) “the state of
human health and safety including built structures in so much as they are
or may be affected by the state of the elements of the environment".

 

The Council is now satisfied that the information you asked for in your
original request can now be provided and this is attached to this email
above.  To explain when your request was received on the 1 September 2011,
it was considered by both the Council and Realis that if this information
was made public prior to the conclusion of negotiations with the existing
Bus Operators and the Bus Users this would influence the negotiations in
favour of the Bus Operators and the Bus Users.  As agreements have now
been concluded with the Bus Station Operators and the Bus Station Users,
consequently, the Council is now satisfied that this information can be
released.

 

Please note, regarding the above named attachment 'Bus operators
agreement' the Council can confirm that no information has been withheld,
but the information that is blacked out is information that is considered
not be relevant to the specifications of your request.

 

The Council would also like to confirm that it considers that it does not
hold any other information in relation to your request.  We trust that
this information attached is of assistance to you.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Information Rights

 

Information Rights Team

Customer Feedback & Information Rights Team, People – Adult &
Neighbourhood Services

City of Stoke-on-Trent 

GF23 Stoke Town Hall  Glebe Street  Stoke-on-Trent  ST4 1HH

t 01782 235965

e [1][Stoke on Trent City Council request email]

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think we have given you a good service, please click here to find out
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