Birth Certificate Layout

:Paul-brian. made this Freedom of Information request to General Register Office

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Dear General Register Office,

Please can you inform me the reason for the layout of the Birth Certificate.
1. My details of birth are within a double lined box. What is the reason for this? Referencing Styles Manuals it says that information on a document that is within a box is separated from any information outside a box.
2. Why does it say Name 'and' Surname? 'and' means additional to name. Is my name my Christian name 'and' my Surname is additional? My Christian name is in English but my Surname is not in English being in all caps. There is also a separation here between languages.
3. Why does this document not identify it's self as a 'Birth Certificate' by saying 'Birth Certificate' in English? This document has a logo on the header this graphic begins on the left with CERTIFICATE then the logo of the crown, lion and unicorn then it continues OF BIRTH. This is all a logo, it is a graphic. The graphic/logo, is an image. This logo is positioned on the header, which is outside and separated by the double walled box. When referenced by any 'Manual of Styles' means that all that is within the box is separated from that which is outside the box.
4. Why are the words Birth Certificate not within the box, to identify it's self? Nowhere within the box does it say 'Birth Certificate' where, all details of my birth are recorded.
5. No where on this document does it say 'Birth Certificate' This document can not be identified as a Birth Certificate.
6. What then is this document?

By any measure this makes the document a counterfeit and a fraud, by not using the words Birth Certificate in English and putting all birth details within a box, is a concealment.

The The General Register Office is issuing corrupted documents. This is no accident, it is a deception, producing a document that is 'passing off' as a Birth Certificate by using the a logo, to conceal a deception, this document is counterfeit, fraud, which raises the question, what is being concealed?

In anticipation of you saying that it is outside of the FOI act I have enclosed a section from the Act which clearly shows that my request is captured within the act.

I await your reply.

Sincerely

:Paul-brian.

The right to recorded information and requests for documents
Freedom of Information Act Environmental Information Regulations
Section 7
Defining ‘recorded information’
13. A request for a copy of a document is a valid request for all of the ‘recorded information’ in that document.
14. ‘Recorded information’ can be defined as any feature or characteristic of a document that imparts information or knowledge to the viewer.
15. This means that the term ‘recorded information’ doesn’t just apply to the text; it covers any component of the document
that conveys information, for example:
 Design and layout: this can reveal something about the nature of the document. For example, whether it is recorded in the form of a report, spreadsheet or letter.

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Dear General Register Office,

Your reply is incorrect, it is covered by FOI. There are a number of points listed in my request, are you saying that every point is not covered?

Layout and design is covered..

Yours faithfully,

:Paul-brian.

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Her Majesty’s Passport Office will send you an acknowledgement within the
next 2 working days.

 

If your enquiry does not fall within the Freedom of Information remit this
will not be forwarded or responded to. Therefore please contact the
appropriate department listed below:

 

• For a passport enquiry or complaint, please complete an online enquiry
form

 

• If your enquiry or complaint relates to a certificate which you have
ordered from the General Registrar’s Office, please complete the
certificate service order enquiries form.

 

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GRO Policy,

Dear Mr Paul Brian

Thank you for your recent request for information regarding birth certificates.

Your request has been handled as official correspondence rather than as a request for information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, although this does not mean that your enquiry has been actioned any differently or that the information provided contains any less content or detail.

The document you are describing appears to be a short Certificate of Birth (commonly known as a birth certificate) and is issued under section 33 of the Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953. The short certificate of birth contains information which is in a prescribed form and is compiled from the records and registers in the custody of either the Registrar General, the superintendent registrar or registrar, as the case may be. Regulations 64 and 65 of the Registration of Births and Deaths Regulations 1987 provide for the compilation of a short certificate of birth.

The surname of the individual is recorded in the register in upper case to identify the surname to enable effective indexing of the record.

I hope the information I have provided clarifies this process

Regards

Melanie Shipstone

Policy Advisor
Civil Registration

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Dear GRO Policy,

Thank you for your reply.

Can you identify where on the document in English it says Birth Certificate or Certificate of Birth.

Yours sincerely,

:Paul-brian.

GRO Policy,

Dear Paul Brian

This is detailed at the top of the document.

For us to advise you further on this matter please can you send a copy of the document that you are referring to.

Kind regards

Melanie Shipstone

Policy Advisor
Civil Registration

Any personal information you provide to us will be handled in accordance with data protection legislation.  Further information on how we process your personal information can be found at https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...

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Dear Melanie,

Thank you for your reply, please see link to an example of my Birth Certificate document found on the internet. Please note that nowhere on the document in 'English' does it identify itself as Certificate of Birth. There is a logo, graphics, artwork on the header, CERTIFICATE this is separated by another logo, graphic, artwork, of a Lion and Unicorn, then OF BIRTH, another logo, graphic. This is not English, furthermore CERTIFICATE and OF BIRTH are separated.. This artwork is also outside a double walled box that separates that which is outside from that which is inside, this is confirmed by the shade of colour inside being different to the outside. Nowhere on this document dose it say in English: Certificate of Birth.

1. By any measure this document is not identifying itself. What is this document?
2. Why is there a doubled walled box legally separating that which is inside the box from that which is outside?
3. What is the Superintendent Registrar certifying, is the Superintendent certifying that which is outside the box, and created on the 4th July 1969 which is the date of the creation of the document, or bond YL602488.
4. Is this a bond certificate YL602488 and not a Certificate of Birth?
5. Name, 'and' denotes something else, additional to. Name 'and' surname are different to each other 'and' additional to Name, this is confirmed by the Name in English and the Surname in a foreign language, other than English in all caps.

I look forward to your reply.
Yours sincerely,
:Paul-brian.
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GRO Policy,

Dear Paul-brian

1 The document you have provided is a certificate of birth which is issued under section 33 of the Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953.

2 The layout out this document is currently prescribed in regulations 64 and 65 of the Registration of Births and Deaths Regulations 1987(the regulations). The information recorded against the heading of Name and Surname, Sex, Date of Birth, Place of Birth, Registration District and Sub-district is extracted from the original birth entry for this person.

3 The superintendent registrar is certifying that the particulars recorded against the headings have been compiled from an entry in a register in their custody on the 4th day of July 1969.

4 The document you have provided is a certificate of birth.

5 Regulation 2(1) of the regulations states that "name", in relation to a person, excludes surname. Therefore the name and surname is recorded in the birth entry. The surname in a registration is recorded in in upper case to enable effective indexing of the record.

Kind regards

Melanie Shipstone

Policy Advisor
Civil Registration

Any personal information you provide to us will be handled in accordance with data protection legislation.  Further information on how we process your personal information can be found at https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...

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Dear Melanie,

Thank you for your reply, sadly you have not answered any of my questions.

I. Where on the document does it identify itself as a Birth Certificate? Where on the document does it say 'Birth Certificate or Certificate of Birth?

2. What manual of styles was used for reference.

3. Lawfully and legally the signature of superintendent registrar can not be certifying the particulars recorded within a separate double walled box.

4. All uppercase is not English, it is a foreign language. If you believe otherwise please direct me to the statute supporting your claim.

5. Is this document a bond certificate?

Yours sincerely,

:Paul-brian.

michael john left an annotation ()

Well done fella, i think THEY are starting realise the sheep ( chattel ) are starting to wake up, however i do feel a tad sorry for Melanie Shipstone in some respects.

GRO Policy,

Dear Paul-brian

I am sorry that you feel that I have not answered your questions in my previous correspondence, however there is nothing further to add to the information that I have already provided to you on this matter.

Kind regards

Melanie

Melanie Shipstone

Policy Advisor
Civil Registration

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Dear Melanie Shipstone,

You have not answered any of the questions you have legal duty answer, I have a right to recorded information and requests for documents
Freedom of Information Act Environmental Information Regulations
Section 7
Defining ‘recorded information’
13. A request for a copy of a document is a valid request for all of the ‘recorded information’ in that document.
14. ‘Recorded information’ can be defined as any feature or characteristic of a document that imparts information or knowledge to the viewer.
15. This means that the term ‘recorded information’ doesn’t just apply to the text; it covers any component of the document
that conveys information, for example:
 Design and layout: this can reveal something about the nature of the document. For example, whether it is recorded in the form of a report, spreadsheet or letter.

I asked you as a freedom of information request under section 7, design and layout, feature or characteristic. Where on the document does it say Certificate of Birth or Birth Certificate?

It is not a difficult question to answer, but if indeed as I believe the document does not say Certificate of Birth or Birth Certificate, then you Melanie, will make every effort to avoid answering the question you can not answer, and you will refuse and deny me my FOI request.

Melanie, answer just two questions for me.

1. Where on the document does it say Birth Certificate or Certificate of Birth?
2. Why are the Birth particulars within a double walled box?

Yours sincerely,

:Paul-brian.

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Dear Mr Brian

Thank you for your email below. Your request is being handled as a request for information under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

We will aim to send you a full response by 10 February 2020, which is twenty working days from the date when we received your request.

Yours sincerely

Her Majesty’s Passport Office

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Dear Paul-brian

Further to our email below, please find attached our response to your information request.

Yours sincerely

Her Majesty’s Passport Office

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