Birth Certificate

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Dear General Register Office,

From a previous FOI from Alex Gaskill it was established that the birth certificate is a token and that an event is recorded as per the registration. I have also included some law dictionary definitions I have been working with.

My information request is as follows;

1. What is the exact event fact(s) that are recorded on the roll as the birth certificate is not evidence of identity yet an entity appears from the registration process?

ROLL, To rob. Lasecki v. State, 190 Wis. 274,
208 N.W. 868, 869. Long v. State, 141 S.W.2d 349,
350, 139 Tex.Cr.R. 536.

EVENT. The consequence of anything, the issue,
conclusion, end; that in which an action, operation,
or series of operations, terminates. Geis v.
Geis, 125 Neb. 394, 250 N.W. 252; Brewer v. Ash
Grove Lime & Portland Cement Co., 223 Mo.App.
983, 25 S.W.2d 1086, 1088.
Anything that -happens or comes to pass as distinguished
from a thing that exists, Quinn v. Streeter, Sup., 175 Misc.
932, 24 N.Y.S.2d 916, 920

2. What is the birth certificate token, as an abstract sign or mark of and what type of token would it constitute as a fact in law?

FALSE TOKEN. In criminal law. A false document
or sign of the existence of a fact,—in general
used for the purpose of fraud. See 3 Term,
98; 2 Starkie, Ev. 563; 1 Bish. Cr. L. 585; People
v. Haynes, 14 Wend., N.Y., 570, 28 Am.Dec. 530;
Smith v. State, 74 Fla. 594, 77 So. 274, 276; State
v. Renick, 33 Or. 584, 56 P. 275, 44 L.R.A. 266.

PRIVY TOKEN. A false mark or sign, forged
object, counterfeited letter, key, ring, etc., used
to deceive persons, and thereby fraudulently get
possession of property. St. 33 Hen. VIII. c. 1. A
false privy token is a false privy document or
sign, not such as is calculated to deceive men generally,
but designed to defraud one or more individuals.
Cheating by such false token was not
indictable at common law. Pub. St. Mass. 1882,
p. 1294.

TOKEN. A sign or mark; a material evidence
of the existence of a fact. Thus, cheating by
"false tokens" implies the use of fabricated or
deceitfully contrived material objects to assist
the person's own fraud and falsehood in accomplishing
the cheat. See State v. Green, 18 N.J.
Law, 181; State v. Leonard, 73 Or. 451, 144 P. 113,
118; Smith v. State, 74 Fla. 594, 77 So. 274, 277;
State v. Whiteaker, 64 Or. 297, 129 P. 534, 537.

Your assistance in my enquiry is greatly appreciated

Yours faithfully,

Stuart McDougall

FOI, General Register Office

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GRO First Point of Contact,

Dear Mr McDougall,
I have handled your request as official correspondence rather than under 
the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act, but this has made no 
difference to the content of my response.
A birth certificate is not evidence of identity and certificates printed
since 1993 contain a warning to this effect. All Government departments
are aware of this and although a birth certificate may be used as part of
verification procedures, a certificate will not be accepted as sole
evidence of identity.

Section 31 and 32 of the Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953
legislation provides for any person to apply for a certified copy of a
register entry providing they can supply sufficient information to
identify the entry.
Your Birth Certificate is simply a record of the event of your birth.
The details contained on a full birth certificate include:
Name of child, sex, date and place of birth.
Father's name (if given at time of registration) and occupation. (Place of
birth after 1969).
Mother's name and maiden surname. (Place of birth after 1969). (Occupation
after 1984).
Name address and relationship to the child of the person who registered
the birth.
We are unable to help you further.
Alex Gaskill
Customer Correspondence Unit Manager
Her Majesty's Passport Office, General Register Office
I Smedley Hydro I Trafalgar Road I Southport I PR8 2HH
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Childnot left an annotation ()

Stuart (with all due respect) citing US case law is not useful, UK Case law is, I am not sure what you are trying to establish as fact, but your questions are not the right questions in my view. I would cite jowitt's or Stroud's Law Dictionaries and also Ecclesiastical/civil law dictionaries.

Civil law is Roman Law and today in the UK most Ecclesiastical functions are assumed by Civil institutes.

Master_Stuart left an annotation ()

With the greatest respect. The Crown Law system is international. UK or US makes no difference. But if you wish to venture in to other dictionaries you with find similar definitions. The GRO are never going to admit the truth behind these BC's. But it lets them know we know. I know this because this information we have used in UK courts.