B/C database

The request was refused by Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council.

Dear Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council,

I am requesting a copy of the database that this search form uses

http://apps1.oldham.gov.uk/bacasweb/gens...

Yours faithfully,

Mr S Jackson

Information Manager, Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council

Dear Mr Jackson

We acknowledge with thanks your request for information; this request has been considered as a request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

As such, your request may take up to 20 working days to be processed and has been passed on to an appropriate officer.

Please be advised that if an exemption applies to the information that you have requested, the statutory period may be exceeded in accordance with the provisions of that Act.

Yours sincerely

Information Manager
Oldham Council
Level 11 Civic Centre
West Street
Oldham
OL1 1UT

[Oldham Council request email]

*Please note: For satellite navigation purposes the postcode is OL1 1NL

Visiting the Civic Centre by Metrolink? The nearest stop is Oldham King Street (2-3 minutes walk)

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Information Manager, Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council

Dear Mr Jackson,

To access data from the system we require specific data fields, therefore please can you clarify the exact information you are seeking.

On receipt of the additional detail requested, we will then responds within a new 20 working day time limit with the ‘clock’ starting the day after we receives the required clarification.

Regards,

Information Management Team
Corporate & Commercial Services
Oldham Council
Level 11
Civic Centre
West Street
Oldham OL1 1UL

[email address]

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Dear Information Manager,

Is the server using the subdomain apps1 controlled by the council?

nslookup suggests that it is as the IP address is only one away from the council's website.

Name: oldham.gov.uk
Address: 62.232.176.19

Name: www.oldham.gov.uk
Address: 62.232.176.19

Name: apps1.oldham.gov.uk
Address: 62.232.176.20

If the server is controlled by the council, does someone within the council have the ability to copy the entire database the form gets the data from?

Yours sincerely,

Mr S Jackson

Information Manager, Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council

Dear Mr Jackson,

 

I can confirm that the Council holds this information, however it is
exempt under Section 21 of the Freedom of Information Act.

 

Section 21 of the Act states that –

 

(1) “Information which is reasonably accessible to the applicant otherwise
than under section 1 is exempt information.”

 

(2) (a) “information may be reasonably accessible to the applicant even
though it is accessible only on payment,”

 

The the Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953 provide a framework for
persons to request a copy of an entry of births, marriages and deaths, in
order for the Council to supply information from these entries, the
Registration Acts stipulate that an applicant needs to identify an entry
and pay a statutory fee.

 

If you are dissatisfied with the handling of your request, you have the
right to ask for an internal review. Internal review requests should be
submitted within two months of the date of receipt of the response to your
original letter and should be addressed to:

 

Mr P Entwistle

Borough Solicitor

OMBC, PO Box 33,

Civic Centre, West Street,

Oldham OL1 1UL

Tel 0161 770 4822

Email: [1][email address]

 

Should you further disagree with the decision following the appeal you may
wish to contact the Office of the Information Commissioner:

 

Office of the Information Commissioner

Wycliffe House

Water Lane

Wilmslow

Cheshire

SK9 5AF

Tel: 0303 1231113 Fax: 01625 524510

[2]www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk

 

 

Regards,

 

Information Management Team

Corporate & Commercial Services

Oldham Council

Level 11

Civic Centre

West Street

Oldham  OL1 1UL

 

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Dear Information Manager,

The Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953 mentioned is about requesting copies of a death certificate which can be obtained from the GRO for a fee. Such certificates do not include the date and place of burial or cremation. The B/C database is searchable using http://apps1.oldham.gov.uk/bacasweb/gens... , I am requesting a copy of the database it uses.

Yours sincerely,

Mr S Jackson

Shena Cuming, Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council

Dear Mr Jackson,

 

Thank you for your email dated 10^th April 2017, in which you dispute the
content of the response to your FOI request ref: 10453.

 

Under the Freedom of Information Act, Section 45 code of practice states
that any correspondence in which the requester has expressed
dissatisfaction over the content or handling of their request should be
addressed through the internal review procedure.

 

Consequently the Council has logged an internal review of your request and
the response and will respond in due course.

 

Kind regards

 

Shena Cuming

Executive Support Lead

Executive Support Team

Oldham MBC

Chief Executive’s Office, Level 3, Civic Centre, West St, Oldham OL1 1UG

Tel:  0161 770 3192

[1][email address]

 

Visiting the Civic Centre by Metrolink?  The nearest stop is Oldham King
Street (2-3 minutes walk).

 

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Dear Shena Cuming,

STILL WAITING!!!

Yours sincerely,

Mr S Jackson

Dear Shena Cuming,

Still waiting. I have since found scanned copies of the registers at

https://www.familysearch.org/search/imag...

so why are you refusing to provide the database which is probably transcribed from images like these???

Yours sincerely,

Mr S Jackson

Shena Cuming, Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council

Thank you for your e-mail.  I am currently out of the office and will
respond to your request on my return.

 

If you need assistance in my absence, please contact my colleague Andrea
Entwistle on 0161 770 3386 or [1][email address]

 

If the matter is urgent, please contact 0161 770 3192 and a member of the 
Executive Support Team will endeavour to assist you.

 

Apologies for any inconvenience that this may cause.

 

Kind Regards

                     Shena Cuming

Personal Assistant – Director of Legal Services, Paul Entwistle and
Director of Adult Social Care, Mark Warren
Executive Support Team
Oldham MBC
Chief Executive’s Office, Level 3, Civic Centre, West St, Oldham OL1 1UG
Tel: 0161 770 3192
[2][email address]

 

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Colin Brittain, Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council

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Dear Mr Jackson,

 

Please find attached my response to your request for an Appeal in relation
to your Freedom of Information request.

 

Regards,

 

Colin Brittain

Assistant Borough Solicitor

Oldham Council

Legal Services

Level 4

West Street

Oldham

OL1 1UL

0161 770 3013

[email address]

 

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