Attacks by urban foxes

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) did not have the information requested.

Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),

I am interested to know what investigations have been conducted by you into alleged attacks on humans by urban foxes. Please disclose to me any information you hold on this subject, particularly any information which illustrates the extent to which you satisfied yourselves that a fox or foxes were indeed responsible for the attacks.

Yours faithfully
Jonathan Baines

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr Baines

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2013020001354
I write in connection with your request for information  which was
received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 12/02/2013.  I note
you seek access to the following information:

"Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),  

I am interested to know what investigations have been conducted by you
into alleged attacks on humans by urban foxes. Please disclose  to me any
information you hold on this subject, particularly any  information which
illustrates the extent to which you satisfied yourselves that a fox or
foxes were indeed responsible for the  attacks. "    

Your request will now be considered in accordance with the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 (the Act).  You will receive a response within the
statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act, subject to
the information not being exempt or containing a reference to a third
party.  In some circumstances the MPS may be unable to achieve this
deadline.  If this is likely you will be informed and given a revised
time-scale at the earliest opportunity.

Some requests may also require either full or partial transference to
another public authority in order to answer your query in the fullest
possible way. Again, you will be informed if this is the case.

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet, which details your right of
complaint.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please write
or contact Peter Deja on telephone number 02071613640 quoting the
reference number above.

Yours sincerely

Peter Deja
Policy and Support Officer
COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the case officer that dealt with your request.  

Ask to have the decision looked at again –

The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is to
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letter.

That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues and
assist with any problems.

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If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing, within forty (40) working days from
the date of the refusal notice, and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF
[email address]

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 20 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.
 Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone:  01625 545 700

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Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr Baines

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2013020001354

I respond in connection with your request for information which was
received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 12/02/2013.  I note
you seek access to the following information:

I am interested to know what investigations have been conducted by you
into alleged attacks on humans by urban foxes.
Please disclose  to me any information you hold on this subject,
particularly any information which illustrates the extent to which you
satisfied yourselves that a fox or foxes were indeed responsible for the
 attacks.    

This email is to inform you that it will not be possible to respond to
your request within the cost threshold.

The MPS do not record incidents of fox attacks centrally.

The MPS records reported crime on the Crime Reporting Information System
(CRIS).  
The principal purpose of CRIS is to record offences and detections which
are based on Home Office offence classifications, rather than a general
topic.  
CRIS does not record all the information collected during an investigation
but rather a summary used for statistical purposes or to provide an
overview of the offence or status of the investigation.
There is no dedicated feature flag for fox/fox attacks.
If such details are recorded on the CRIS record it would be on the free
text details of investigation pages of the report which cannot be
interrogated by electronic means.
In order to produce a count using the specific category you have
requested, manual searches of the free text comments on the details of
investigation pages would have to be made and in many instances additional
documents such as the paper case files would need to be recovered.
This would take between 10 to 15 minutes to review each CRIS record but
substantially more when the paper case files need to be identified,
located, recovered and checked.

An alternative would be to search the Computer Aided Despatch (CAD)
database for any reference to a fox.
CAD is the initial recorded telephone contact by a member of the public to
the MPS.
The MPS creates approximately 2,000,000 CAD records a year.

We estimate that the cost of complying with this request would exceed the
appropriate limit. The appropriate limit has been specified in regulations
and for agencies outside central Government; this is set at £450.00.  
This represents the estimated cost of one person spending 18 hours [at a
rate of £25 per hour] in determining whether the MPS holds the
information, and locating, retrieving and extracting the information.

In accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000,(the Act), this
email acts as a Refusal Notice.

Section 17(5) of the Act provides:
(5) A public authority which, in relation to any request for information,
is relying on a claim that section 12 or 14 applies must, within the time
for complying with section 1(1), give the applicant a notice stating that
fact.

Section 12(1) of the Act provides:
(1) Section 1 does not oblige a public authority to comply with a request
for information if the authority estimates that the cost of complying with
the request would exceed the appropriate limit.

Section 16 of the Act provides:
(1) It shall be the duty of a public authority to provide advice and
assistance, so far as it would be reasonable to expect the authority to do
so, to persons who propose to make, or have made, requests for information
to it.
(2) Any public authority which, in relation to the provision of advice or
assistance in any case, conforms with the code of practice under section
45 is to be taken to comply with the duty imposed by subsection (1) in
relation to that case.

I  provide you with advice as to how you may narrow your request so that
it does not exceed the appropriate limit.

You may wish to contact specific MPS Borough Commands providing them with
a time period for searches as reports of fox attacks and any subsequent
investigation may have been recorded locally.

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet which details your right of
complaint.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please
contact me on telephone number 020 7230 4019 quoting the reference number
above.

Yours sincerely

Peter Royan-Posse
Case Investigation Officer
COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the case officer that dealt with your request.  

Ask to have the decision looked at again –

The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is to
telephone the case officer that is nominated at the end of your decision
letter.

That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues and
assist with any problems.

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing, within forty (40) working days from
the date of the refusal notice, and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF
[email address]

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 20 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.
 Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone:  01625 545 700

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Dear Peter

Thank you for your response. I do note that you suggest I contact MPS Borough Commands with a narrowed-down request. However, MPS Borough Commands are not separate public authorities under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Accordingly, I ask you on behalf of MPS to consider the narrowed-down request which follows:

On 7 June 2010 the BBC published a report at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10251349 which described an alleged attack on twin girls by an urban fox. The report quotes MPS.

On 10 February 2013 the BBC published a report at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21399709 in which MPS spokesman are attributed as saying "a four-week-old baby boy was attacked by a fox in his home in south London".

Please disclose any information relating to these incidents which indicates or illustrates that MPS was satisfied that the attack was indeed by a fox.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/at...

with best wishes
Jonathan

Jonathan Baines

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr Baines

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2013030001133
I respond in connection with your request for information which was
received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 11/03/2013.  I note
you seek access to the following information:

Thank you for your response. I do note that you suggest I contact     MPS
Borough Commands with a narrowed-down request. However, MPS     Borough
Commands are not separate public authorities under the     Freedom of
Information Act 2000. Accordingly, I ask you on behalf     of MPS to
consider the narrowed-down request which follows:         On 7 June 2010
the BBC published a report at     http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10251349 which
described an alleged     attack on twin girls by an urban fox. The report
quotes MPS.         On 10 February 2013 the BBC published a report at    
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21399709 in which MPS spokesman are    
attributed as saying "a four-week-old baby boy was attacked by a     fox
in his home in south London".        

 1. Please disclose any information relating to these incidents which    
indicates or illustrates that MPS was satisfied that the attack was  
  indeed by a fox.         A full history of my FOI request and all
correspondence is     available on the Internet at this address:    
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/at...    

DECISION

Pursuant to the provisions of Section 14(2) of the Freedom of Information
Act 2000 (the Act) I have decided to refuse your request as it has been
deemed as a “Repeated Request”.

REASONS FOR DECISION

Section 14(2) of the Act provides:

Where a public authority has previously complied with a request for
information which was made by any person, it is not obliged to comply with
a subsequent identical or substantially similar request from that person
unless a reasonable interval has elapsed between compliance with the
previous request and the making of the current request.

Our records indicate that the MPS previously complied with your current
request on 07/03/2013.  It is clear that a “reasonable interval” has not
elapsed between your requests.

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet which details your right of
complaint.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please
contact me quoting the reference number above.

Yours sincerely

Catherine Carrington
SC&O Information Manager
Freedom of Information Compliance
Specialist Crime & Operations (SC&O)
Metropolitan Police Service
020 7230 9962
COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the case officer that dealt with your request.  

Ask to have the decision looked at again –

The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is to
telephone the case officer that is nominated at the end of your decision
letter.

That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues and
assist with any problems.

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing, within forty (40) working days from
the date of the refusal notice, and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF
[email address]

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 20 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.
 Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone:  01625 545 700

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communities to catch offenders, prevent crime and support victims. We are
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authorised to conclude any binding agreement on behalf of the MPS by
email. The MPS accepts no responsibility for unauthorised agreements
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any attachments cannot be guaranteed. Email messages are routinely scanned
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Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

With respect - it's not a repeat request! It's a narrowing-down of a request you refused on costs grounds. Please look again.

Yours faithfully

Jonathan Baines

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr  Baines

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2013030001678

I write in connection with your request for a review of the original MPS
decision relating to 2013030001133 which was received by the Metropolitan
Police Service (MPS) on 13/03/2013.  

Your request for a review will now be considered in accordance with the
Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act).  You will receive a response to
your request for a review of the original MPS case within a timescale of
20 working days.  In some circumstances the MPS may be unable to achieve
this deadline.  If this is likely you will be informed and given a revised
time-scale at the earliest opportunity.

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet, which details your right of
complaint.

Yours sincerely

Peter Deja
Policy and Support Officer
COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the case officer that dealt with your request.  

Ask to have the decision looked at again –

The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is to
telephone the case officer that is nominated at the end of your decision
letter.

That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues and
assist with any problems.

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing, within forty (40) working days from
the date of the refusal notice, and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF
[email address]

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 20 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.
 Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone:  01625 545 700

Total Policing is the Met's commitment to be on the streets and in your
communities to catch offenders, prevent crime and support victims. We are
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authorised to conclude any binding agreement on behalf of the MPS by
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any attachments cannot be guaranteed. Email messages are routinely scanned
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Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Any news on this internal review please? I calculate we're at the twentieth day (or over, if you take my email of 11 March as the start, which, in fairness to me, you really should).

Yours faithfully

Jonathan Baines

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Hello, you have reached the email for Peter Deja at the PAO . I am out of
the office  now - . I will be back in the office on Tuesday 16 April 
2013. For  assistance please telephone 0207 161 3500.

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the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please
notify the sender and delete it from your system.  To avoid incurring
legal liabilities, you must not distribute or copy the information in this
email without the permission of the sender. MPS communication systems are
monitored to the extent permitted by law.  Consequently, any email and/or
attachments may be read by monitoring staff. Only specified personnel are
authorised to conclude any binding agreement on behalf of the MPS by
email. The MPS accepts no responsibility for unauthorised agreements
reached with other employees or agents.  The security of this email and
any attachments cannot be guaranteed. Email messages are routinely scanned
but malicious software infection and corruption of content can still occur
during transmission over the Internet. Any views or opinions expressed in
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Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr Baines

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2013030001678

   Further to our letter 15th March 2013, I have unfortunately been unable
to meet the response time provided to you in relation to: Original FOI
case number 2013030001133.

   I hope to complete your review no later than 10th May 2013. Should
there be any unforeseen delay, I will contact you and update you as soon
as possible.

   I apologise for the delay, and thank you for your patience.

   Yours sincerely

   Mike Lyng , FOIA Quality and Assurance Advisor

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome to discuss the
response with the case officer who dealt with your request.  

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing, within forty (40) working days from
the date of the refusal notice, and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF
[email address]

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 20 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.
 Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone:  01625 545 700

Total Policing is the Met's commitment to be on the streets and in your
communities to catch offenders, prevent crime and support victims. We are
here for London, working with you to make our capital safer.

 

Consider our environment - please do not print this email unless
absolutely necessary.

NOTICE - This email and any attachments may be confidential, subject to
copyright and/or legal privilege and are intended solely for the use of
the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please
notify the sender and delete it from your system.  To avoid incurring
legal liabilities, you must not distribute or copy the information in this
email without the permission of the sender. MPS communication systems are
monitored to the extent permitted by law.  Consequently, any email and/or
attachments may be read by monitoring staff. Only specified personnel are
authorised to conclude any binding agreement on behalf of the MPS by
email. The MPS accepts no responsibility for unauthorised agreements
reached with other employees or agents.  The security of this email and
any attachments cannot be guaranteed. Email messages are routinely scanned
but malicious software infection and corruption of content can still occur
during transmission over the Internet. Any views or opinions expressed in
this communication are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
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Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr. Baines

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2013030001678

I write in connection with your correspondence dated 13th March 2013
requesting that the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) review its response
to your request for information received on the 11th March 2013 (reference
2013030001133). The request was as follows:

1st request (2013020001354)

What investigations have been conducted by you into alleged attacks on
humans by urban foxes.

Please disclose any information which illustrates the extent to which you
satisfied yourselves that a fox or foxes were indeed responsible for the
attacks.

MPS Response

Cost refusal and advice how to narrow - ‘you may wish to contact specific
MPS Borough Commands providing them with a time period for searches as
reports of fox attacks and any subsequent investigation may have been
recorded locally’.

2nd request (2013030001133)

I ask you on behalf of MPS to consider the narrowed-down request as
follows:

On 7th June 2010 the BBC published a report
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10251349 which described an alleged attack on
twin girls by an urban fox. The report quotes MPS.

On 10 February 2013 the BBC published a report at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21399709 in which MPS spokesman are
attributed as saying "a four-week-old baby boy was attacked by a fox in
his home in south London"

Please disclose any information to these incidents which indicates or
illustrates that MPS was satisfied that the attack was indeed a fox.

MPS Response

Repeated request.

Request for Review

With respect - it’s not a repeat request! It’s a narrowing-down of a
request you refused on cost grounds. Please look again.

DECISION

The Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has completed its review and has
decided to set aside the original decision and instead confirm your
request is asking for an opinion and not for recorded information under
the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FoIA) and provide you with advice and
assistance.

Reason for decision

I have reviewed your original request for information received on the 12th
February 2013, case reference number 2013020001354, in which you seek:
‘What investigations have been conducted by you into alleged attacks on
humans by urban foxes. Please disclose any information which illustrates
the extent to which you satisfied yourselves that a fox or foxes were
indeed responsible for the attacks.’

The MPS responded to this original request on the 7th March 2013, advising
it would exceed the appropriate cost threshold to comply by virtue of
section 12(1) FoIA.  As mentioned in the original cost refusal notice - it
shall be the duty of a public authority to provide advice and assistance,
so far as it would be reasonable to expect the authority to do so, to
persons who propose to make, or have made, requests for information to it.
In this regard the review has taken into consideration the advice provided
to you under section 16 FoIA ‘you may wish to contact specific MPS Borough
Commands providing them with a time period for searches as reports of fox
attacks and any subsequent investigation may have been recorded locally’.

It can be seen then that your most recent request has narrowed the
original request to just two specific incidents.  In view of this fact
your request will now be treated as a new (narrowed) request for
information.

Requests for Information held by a public authority

The review has returned to your original request which seeks information
that ‘illustrates the extent to which you satisfied yourselves…’ In this
regard I thought it might be useful if I explain to you that section 8 of
the FoIA sets out the criteria for a request to be valid under the Act.
The criteria are that the request must be made in writing, be legible,
contain the name and address of the applicant, and describes the
information requested.  In Section 84(c) of the FoIA, ‘information’ is
further defined as ‘information recorded in any form’.

The Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) has published guidance on this
issue and states The FOIA and the EIR apply to information held by public
authorities. They do not have to create new information to respond to
requests. A public authority is not creating new information where:
• it presents information it holds in the form of a list or schedule;
• compiling an answer to a request involves simple manual manipulation of
information held in files; or,
• it extracts information from an electronic database by searching it in
the form of a query.

Therefore in accordance with the FoIA a public authority is not required
to create new information or provide opinion in order to respond to a
request made under the Act, unless this is already recorded in documents
or other recorded form. Your request is seeking an opinion from these two
incidents ‘which indicates or illustrates that MPS was satisfied that the
attack was indeed a fox.’ And is therefore not a request for recorded
information held by a public authority.

Section 16 Advice and assistance

As mentioned above, it shall be the duty of a public authority to provide
advice and assistance, so far as it would be reasonable to expect the
authority to do so, to persons who propose to make, or have made, requests
for information to it. In this regard the review has contacted both
Hackney and Lewisham Borough Operational Command Units (BOCU) in order to
locate any relevant information pertaining to your request and can provide
you with the following MPS Press Lines and a previous FoIA disclosure on
the same subject you are interested in.

In regards to the first part of your request ‘On 7th June 2010 the BBC
published a report http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10251349 which described an
alleged attack on twin girls by an urban fox. The report quotes MPS.’

In order to provide you with some advice and assistance I can provide you
with the MPS Press lines relevant to this incident:

 ‘Police were called at approximately 22:00hrs on Saturday 5 June to an
address in Homerton E9 to reports of a fox attack. Officers and the London
Ambulance Service attended and found two nine-month-old girls with
injuries.
Both babies were taken to an east London hospital where their condition is
described as serious but stable.

Hackney environmental health officers arranged for traps to be set in the
rear garden of the address. On Sunday night a neighbour informed
environmental health officers that an animal could be heard in one of the
traps. Police attended with a local authority pest controller and a fox
was indeed found in a trap.

A vet was called to establish if it was safe to move the animal. It was
determined it was not and the fox was humanely killed by the pest
controller at approx. 00.15 hrs on Monday. The traps will remain in situ
for the time being.’

In addition the following MPS response has previously been disclosed in
reply to a FoIA request around the time of the incident:

‘The initial call to the MPS reported that a fox had attacked two children
in the bedroom of a private house. Police officers attended the address,
where eyewitnesses were adamant that the animal they had seen in the
premises was a fox. While at the premises, officers witnessed a fox
attempting to enter the premises through the back patio doors. One officer
took a picture of the fox, and this picture was subsequently released to
the media by the MPS.

The MPS examined the children's' bedding and this examination identified
the presence of animal hairs. It was not, however, possible to identify
the type of animal. Subsequently, the MPS sought the advice of medical
consultants who, after examination of the children's' injuries, advised
that the bite wounds were not caused by human, dog or cat teeth,  but were
consistent with marks caused by a fox.’

In regards to the second part of your request ‘On 10 February 2013 the BBC
published a report at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21399709 in which MPS
spokesman are attributed as saying "a four-week-old baby boy was attacked
by a fox in his home in south London"

In order to provide you with some advice and assistance I can provide you
with the following MPS Press lines relevant to this incident:

‘Police were called at 16.38hrs on Wednesday, 6 February by staff at St
Thomas' Hospital to reports of a baby boy admitted after being attacked by
a fox at his home in Lewisham borough.

Officers attended the hospital to learn the four-week-old baby had
suffered a hand injury.

The incident has been assessed and police are satisfied that there are no
criminal offences.  As a result, there will be no further action by
police’

In addition I can advise that a Scenes of Crime Officer had attended the
venue and photographs taken. Witnesses confirmed the presence of a fox at
the premises on this occasion and on previous occasions. Together with a
full investigation of the available evidence, police were satisfied that
this was consistent with the fact that a fox was involved in this
incident.

I hope the assistance and information provided in this response is helpful
to you.

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

If you are dissatisfied with this response please read the attached paper
entitled Complaint Rights which explains how to make a complaint.  

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please
contact me on 0207 161 3605 or at the address at the top of this letter,
quoting the reference number above.

Yours sincerely

Mike Lyng
Quality and Assurance Advisor
COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome to discuss the
response with the case officer who dealt with your request.  

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the
decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing, within forty (40) working days from
the date of the refusal notice, and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF
[email address]

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 20 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with
the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for
a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.
 Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone:  01625 545 700

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email. The MPS accepts no responsibility for unauthorised agreements
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Jonathan Baines

Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Thank you for your reply and the helpful information.

However, I framed my request specifically in terms asking for "*information* relating to these incidents which indicates or illustrates that MPS was satisfied that the attack was indeed by a fox". This is patently not requesting you for an opinion. If you did not hold information relating to the incidents it was open for you to deny that you held such.

However, I note that you go on to refer to "advice of medical consultants who, after examination of the children's' injuries, advised that the bite wounds were not caused by human, dog or cat teeth, but were consistent with marks caused by a fox". This appears to me to fall within the description of "information...which...illustrates that MPS was satisfied that the attack was indeed by a fox".

Could you please disclose this advice to me, in accordance with my original request? If it assists, however, I am happy for you to treat this a fresh request.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/at...

Yours faithfully,

Jonathan Baines

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr Baines

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2013050001426
I write in connection with your request for information which was received
by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 10/05/2013.  I note you seek
access to the following information:

* "I note that you go on to refer to "advice of medical  consultants
who, after examination of the children's' injuries,  advised that the
bite wounds were not caused by human, dog or cat  teeth, but were
consistent with marks caused by a fox". This  appears to me to fall
within the description of   "information...which...illustrates that
MPS was satisfied that the attack was indeed by a fox".   Could you
please disclose this advice to me, in accordance with my  original
request? If it assists, however, I am happy for you to treat this a
fresh request. "

Your request will now be considered in accordance with the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 (the Act).  You will receive a response within
the statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act,
subject to the information not being exempt or containing a reference
to a third party.  In some circumstances the MPS may be unable to
achieve this deadline.  If this is likely you will be informed and
given a revised time-scale at the earliest opportunity.

Some requests may also require either full or partial transference to
another public authority in order to answer your query in the fullest
possible way. Again, you will be informed if this is the case.

PLEASE ALSO NOTE; - In regards to the first part of your email -
ATTACHED; However, I framed my request specifically in terms asking
for "*information* relating to these incidents which indicates or
illustrates that MPS was satisfied that the attack was indeed by a
fox". This is patently not requesting you for an opinion. If you  did
not hold information relating to the incidents it was open for you to
deny that you held such.

 I would like to advise you that an internal review
(ref:2013010001678) has been completed in relation to your Freedom of
Information Act request (ref:2013030001133).  Once an internal review
has been completed, the next stage of the Freedom of Information Act
complaints process is to exercise your right to appeal to the
Information Commissioner.

For information on how to make application to the Information
Commissioner please visit their website at:

www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.  
http://www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/freedom...

Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone:  01625 545 700

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet, which details your
right of complaint in regards to your new request.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please
write or contact Peter Deja on telephone number 02071613640 quoting
the reference number above.

Yours sincerely

Peter Deja
Policy and Support Officer
COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think
the decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to
review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome to discuss the
response with the case officer who dealt with your request.  

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision
of the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act)
regarding access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS
to have the decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing, within forty (40) working days
from the date of the refusal notice, and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF
[email address]

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your
complaint within 20 working days.
The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied
with the decision you may make application to the Information
Commissioner for a decision on whether the request for information has
been dealt with in accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information
Commissioner please visit their website at
www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk.  Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone:  01625 545 700

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notify the sender and delete it from your system.  To avoid incurring
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email without the permission of the sender. MPS communication systems are
monitored to the extent permitted by law.  Consequently, any email and/or
attachments may be read by monitoring staff. Only specified personnel are
authorised to conclude any binding agreement on behalf of the MPS by
email. The MPS accepts no responsibility for unauthorised agreements
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Jonathan Baines

Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

By my calculations you are over the twenty-working-day limit for responding to my "new" request on this matter, made on 10 May:

"I note that you go on to refer to "advice of medical consultants who, after examination of the children's' injuries, advised that the bite wounds were not caused by human, dog or cat teeth, but were consistent with marks caused by a fox". This appears to me to fall within the description of "information...which...illustrates that
MPS was satisfied that the attack was indeed by a fox". Could you
please disclose this advice to me, in accordance with my original
request? If it assists, however, I am happy for you to treat this a
fresh request. "

Could you advise on progress please?

Yours faithfully,

Jonathan Baines

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Dear Mr Baines,

In regard your below email - asking for a update on your request, I have forwarded your email on to the information manager dealing with your request [ ms Martin] and asked her to give you a update on this request. She is out of her office today but back in on Wednesday 12 June.

Ref 2013050001426

Regards

Peter Deja | Policy and Support Officer| Information Access Services | Information Services Group | Directorate of Information | Metropolitan Police Service
Met Phone 783640 | Telephone 020 7161 3640| Fax 020 7161 3501 | Email [email address]
Address 20th Floor, PO Box 57192, London, SW6 1SF

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Recipients of this email should be aware that all communications within and to and from the Metropolitan Police Service are subject to consideration for release under the Data Protection Act, Freedom of Information Act and Environmental Information Regulations. The MPS will consider information for release unless there is are valid and proportionate public interest reasons not to, therefore, sensitive information not for public disclosure must be highlighted as such. Further advice can be obtained from the Public Access Office - 783500.

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AM Public left an annotation ()

OH MY GOD!!!!

Was anyone bitten by a fox on those days or was it BBC scaremongering

James Moore left an annotation ()

Dear Metropolitan Police Service,

I hereby offer my services to create a fulltext searchable database of the telephone log transcripts and any other text-based information you have. It's really very simple and would require but one computer and one network connection. The best bit is, you can perform a search on any string and it won't take eighteen hours to search two million records - I use it daily to search six and a half million plaintext records and it takes about four minutes per search on a dual core laptop.

Yours Sincerely,

James Moore.

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

MetSec Code - Not Protectively Marked

Dear Mr Baines

I must apologise for the fact that we haven't responded to your Freedom of
Information Request within 20 days.

I have to inform you that we still require a further period of time to
carry out our enquiries and would estimate that we will be able to provide
a response by 3rd July 2013.

Cathy Martin

Cathy Martin c069022| Information Manager | Hackney Borough OCU |
MetPhone  53291  | Office Telephone  0207 275 3291 |  Email
[email address] |
Address Stoke Newington Police Station, 33 Stoke Newington High Street,
London N16 8DS

Total Policing is the Met's commitment to be on the streets and in your
communities to catch offenders, prevent crime and support victims. We are
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absolutely necessary.

NOTICE - This email and any attachments may be confidential, subject to
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notify the sender and delete it from your system.  To avoid incurring
legal liabilities, you must not distribute or copy the information in this
email without the permission of the sender. MPS communication systems are
monitored to the extent permitted by law.  Consequently, any email and/or
attachments may be read by monitoring staff. Only specified personnel are
authorised to conclude any binding agreement on behalf of the MPS by
email. The MPS accepts no responsibility for unauthorised agreements
reached with other employees or agents.  The security of this email and
any attachments cannot be guaranteed. Email messages are routinely scanned
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Jonathan Baines

Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Another deadline has passed. Are you intending to respond or should I just refer the matter to the Information Commissioner?

Yours faithfully

Jonathan Baines

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

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Dear Mr Baines

I sent you a reply on 3rd July 2013 which you appear not to have received.

I have copied the text of the letter below.

Yours sincerely

Cathy Martin

"Dear Mr Baines

Freedom of Information Request Reference No: 2013050001426

I write in connection with your request for information which was received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 10/05/2013.

I note you seek access to the following information:

Could you please disclose to me the "advice of medical
consultants who, after examination of the children's' injuries,
advised that the bite wounds were not caused by human, dog or cat
teeth, but were consistent with marks caused by a fox".

This appears to me to fall within the description of
"information" which illustrates that MPS was satisfied that the
attack was indeed by a fox".

Following receipt of your request searches were conducted within the MPS to locate information relevant to your request.

RESULT OF SEARCHES

The searches failed to locate any information relevant to your request, therefore, the information you have requested is not held by the MPS.

I can confirm that the consultant's medical statement, from which the quote above was taken, is no longer held by the MPS. As no crime was committed we had no need to keep information relating to this matter and as such only press lines are still held.

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Your attention is drawn to the attached sheet which details your right of complaint.

Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please write or contact Cathy Martin on telephone number 020 7275 3291 quoting the reference number above.

Yours sincerely

Cathy Martin
Information Manager"

COMPLAINT RIGHTS

Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the decision is incorrect?

You have the right to require the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) to review their decision.

Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome to discuss the response with the case officer who dealt with your request.

Complaint

If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of the MPS made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding access to information you can lodge a complaint with the MPS to have the decision reviewed.

Complaints should be made in writing, within forty (40) working days from the date of the refusal notice, and addressed to:

FOI Complaint
Public Access Office
PO Box 57192
London
SW6 1SF
[email address]

In all possible circumstances the MPS will aim to respond to your complaint within 20 working days.

The Information Commissioner

After lodging a complaint with the MPS if you are still dissatisfied with the decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for a decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in accordance with the requirements of the Act.

For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner please visit their website at www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk. Alternatively, phone or write to:

Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone: 01625 545 700

Cathy Martin c069022| Information Manager | Hackney Borough OCU |
MetPhone 53291 | Office Telephone 0207 275 3291 | Email [email address] |
Address Stoke Newington Police Station, 33 Stoke Newington High Street, London N16 8DS

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Jonathan Baines

Dear Cathy

Thank you for your reply. I will consider my options regarding complaining.

However, you say that you sent me a reply on 3 July, and refer to a "letter". I presume this was uploaded to whatdotheyknow.com? (You cannot have sent it by post because you don't have my address).

Could you confirm please?

Many thanks

Jonathan Baines

Metropolitan Police Service (MPS)

Hello Jonathan

Sorry, it wasn't a letter it was an E Mail. As you rightly point out we
don't have an address for you.

Regards.

Cathy Martin

MetSec Code - Not Protectively Marked

Cathy Martin c069022| Information Manager | Hackney Borough OCU |
MetPhone 53291 | Office Telephone 0207 275 3291 | Email
[email address] |
Address Stoke Newington Police Station, 33 Stoke Newington High Street,
London N16 8DS

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James Moore left an annotation ()

Interesting... first point responses on FOIA enquiries made through the Whatdotheyknow website always pass through the website. I see no evidence of a posting on 3 July. I think somebody is being... creative with their responses.