David Grothier

Dear Independent Police Complaints Commission,

Under the FOI Act 2000 I would like the IPPC to clarify its appointments criteria. Am I right in my understanding that no serving police offices, or indeed especially any involved in ongoing complaints can be appointed to the IPPC.

I take reference from the Police Reform Act 2002. Part 2 Complaints and Misconduct

The Independent Police Complaints Commission

Sec 9

The Independent Police Complaints Commission(1)There shall be a body corporate to be known as the Independent Police Complaints Commission (in this Part referred to as “the Commission”).(2)The Commission shall consist of—(a)a chairman appointed by Her Majesty; and(b)not less than ten other members appointed by the Secretary of State.(3)A person shall not be appointed as the chairman of the Commission, or as another member of the Commission, if—(a)he holds or has held office as a constable in any part of the United Kingdom;(b)he is or has been under the direction and control of a chief officer or of any person holding an equivalent office in Scotland or Northern Ireland;(c)he is a person in relation to whom a designation under section 39 is or has been in force;(d)he is a person in relation to whom an accreditation under section 41 is or has been in force;[F1(da)he is or has been the chairman or a member of, or a member of the staff of, the Serious Organised Crime Agency;](e)he F2. . . has been a member of the National Criminal Intelligence Service or the National Crime Squad; or(f)he is or has at any time been a member of a body of constables which at the time of his membership is or was a body of constables in relation to which any procedures are or were in force by virtue of an agreement or order under—(i)section 26 of this Act; or(ii)section 78 of the 1996 Act or section 96 of the 1984 Act (which made provision corresponding to that made by section 26 of this Act).(4)An appointment made in contravention of subsection (3) shall have no effect.

Yours faithfully,

David Grothier

!FOI Requests, Independent Police Complaints Commission

Our ref: 1002556

Dear Mr Grothier,

Thank you for your email below in which you make a request for information under the Freedom of information Act.

You will receive a formal response to your request within 20 working days from May 11 2011.

Yours sincerely
Information Team
Independent Police Complaints Commission

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Phil Johnston, Independent Police Complaints Commission

Dear Mr Grothier,
Section 9(3) of the Police Reform Act 2002 relates only to the appointment of the IPCC Chair and Commissioners. The public appointments process, under which the IPCC Chair and Commissioners are appointed, is regulated by the Commissioner for Public Appointments and is entirely separate from the process by which individuals are employed by the IPCC, or any other public body. There are no rules similar to section 9(3) relating to the recruitment and selection of IPCC employees.

Philip Johnston
Directorate of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH
W: 020 7166 3000
F: 020 7166 3163

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David Grothier

Dear Phil Johnston,

Thank you for your reply it is interesting.

I would like to make another FOI request concerning the IPPC Code of Conduct. Mile Benbow was a superintendent at Dyfed Powys police before joining the IPPC, while at Dyfys Powys Police Benbow was involved in a number of SERIOUS complaints allegations that I brought against Dyfed Powys police. While at the regional office of the IPPC at Cardiff Benbow was still involved with my complaints. I would like an explanation as to this gross conflict of interest please.

Yours sincerely,

David Grothier

Diljinder Chowhan, Independent Police Complaints Commission

Our ref: 1002590

Dear Mr Grothier,

Thank you for your email dated June 7 2011 to Mr Philip Johnston in which you make a request under the Freedom of Information Act.

You will receive a formal response to your request on or no later than July 5 2011.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely

Information Team
Independent Poliec Complaints Commission

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Phil Johnston, Independent Police Complaints Commission

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Dear Mr Grothier,
Please find attached to this e-mail my response to your request.

Philip Johnston
Directorate of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH
W: 020 7166 3000
F: 020 7166 3163

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David Grothier

Dear Phil Johnston,

As there are plenty of conflicts of interest here, and of course your reply being a classic cover over, kindly submit your reply to an Internal Review, as I am really most dissatisfied.

Furthermore, in view of your reply which is far from being accurate. VIZ The Government has reassurance from the IPCC that there are no circumstances in which IPCC investigator, with a police background, can investigate a former colleague with whom they have worked. The Commissioners are responsible for ensuring there are no conflicts of interest in the deployment of IPCC investigators.

The IPCC believe that the skills and professionalism of former police officers offer benefits to
their work and that the quality of the work, which consistently stands up to rigorous public etc etc.

This is a lie. Bentbow was the investigating officer into my complaint about a corrupt Dyfed Powys Police Force. Bentbow left the Dyfed Powys Police Force to take up a position with the IPPC at the same time I had made complaints to them.

Strangely my complaints was never resolved and all emails to the IPPC were blocked and I was cut off from all correspondence with anyone in the IPPC

Of course this is a serious breach of my human rights and undermines the who basis of the ancient founding principles behind the British Constitution.

I.e. Magna Carta 1215 Art 40: To no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay, right or justice.

Of course I have a right to complain, a basic right under Human Rights legislation to be heard and not to be degrade through being cut off from the body I have complained to without an explanation; Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 Art 5. Also my right to a fair hearing of any complainants against a public body is also guaranteed by law: Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 Art 8.

These are serious issues and must now be the subject of a further FOI request!

Therefore, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 I wish to know who exactly in the IPPC made the discission not to continue investigating my clearly substantiated complaints against Dyfed Powys Police and who it was that decided to further abuse my position in blocking all communication with said IPPC.

To add, if the IPPC carried out its duties with honest, they would have found that Dyfed Powys Police were indeed culpable, which is why I complained in the first place.

Kindly acknowledge receipt of this reply

Yours sincerely,

David Grothier

Phil Johnston, Independent Police Complaints Commission

Dear Mr Grothier,
Your e-mail has been passe don for internal review.

Philip Johnston
Freedom of Information Officer
Directorate of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH
W: 020 7166 3000
F: 020 7166 3163

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David Grothier

Dear Phil Johnston,

Please don't forget my new FOI and kindly acknowledge the same please.

Therefore, under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 I wish to know
who exactly in the IPPC made the discission not to continue
investigating my clearly substantiated complaints against Dyfed
Powys Police and who it was that decided to further abuse my
position in blocking all communication with said IPPC.

Yours sincerely,

David Grothier

!FOI Requests, Independent Police Complaints Commission

Our Ref: 1002620

Dear Mr Grothier,

Thank you for your request dated July 1 2011 which you make under the Freedom of Information Act.

You will receive a formal response to your request on or no later than July 29 2011.

Yours sincerely

Information Team
Independent Police Complaints Commission

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Amanda Kelly, Independent Police Complaints Commission

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Dear Mr Grothier

Please see attached.

Amanda Kelly
Director of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH

Telephone: +44 (0)20 7166 3039
[email address]

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Phil Johnston, Independent Police Complaints Commission

Mr Grothier,
My understanding of your request is that you wish to enter into correpondence about information held by the IPCC in relation to what appears to be a complaint you have made against the police.

The IPCC does not conduct its case related correspondence via publicly accessible web sites such as whatdotheyknow.com. In the circumstances, I would be grateful if you would contact me separately either by telephone, post or personal e-mail so that we can discuss the best way to progress your request.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Philip Johnston
Directorate of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH
W: 020 7166 3000
F: 020 7166 3163

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Dear Phil Johnston,

I am open to your proposals. Kindly included your email when replying.

Yours sincerely,

David Grothier

Phil Johnston, Independent Police Complaints Commission

Dear Mr Grothier,
The easiest and quickest way to progress this would be for you to phone me. Are you ok with that? I am available until 5 pm today. Please leave a message if I do not answer and I will call you back today.

Philip Johnston
Directorate of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH
W: 020 7166 3063
F: 020 7166 3163

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Dear Phil Johnston,

Thank you at this stage I would prefer email as I feel I need a record of everything.

Yours sincerely,

David Grothier

Phil Johnston, Independent Police Complaints Commission

Dear Mr Grothier,
In order to deal with your request appropriately I will need sufficient information to establish your identity. For this purpose, I would recommend that you phone me and let me know your current postal address so that I can then write to you at that address in more detail about our specific requirements. Given the nature of your request it cannot be progressed without satisfactory evidence as to your identity.

It is the purpose of whatdotheyknow.com to facilitate the making of requests under the Freedom of Information Act. The request that you are making appears to amount to a request under section 7 of the Data Protection Act and the IPCC does not respond to such requests via the whatdotheyknow.com web site. However, I would be happy to deal with your request via a unique personal address.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Philip Johnston
Directorate of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH
W: 020 7166 3000
F: 020 7166 3163

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Dear Phil Johnston,

You can establish my identity from this unique reference number known only to the IPPC and myself, That will do for now. IPCC Reference 2005/010733.

Simply because I was getting to close to exposing the IPPC for what it is under Hardwick my emails were blocked for years.. I wonder why, if that is the IPPC is a straightforward organisation with nothing to hide from the public.

There is no requirement under either the Data Protection Act nor FOI Act that any specific address is required and as I have dealt with the IPPC for a number years by email that will suit me just nicely thank you.

Its such a shame that so many people have been injured by corrupt police in the UK! I wonder why Dyfed Powys Police wont set up a meeting with me, my representatives and the press in order to answer my questions directly?

Now can we please just get on with things.

Yours sincerely,

David Grothier

Dear Phil Johnston,

I am waiting the hear from you

Yours sincerely,

David Grothier

Phil Johnston, Independent Police Complaints Commission

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Dear Mr Grothier,
Please find attached to this e-mail the IPCC's formal response under the Freedom of Information Act to your request. Please ensure that you quote reference 1002620 in any correspondence about this matter.

Philip Johnston
Directorate of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH
W: 020 7166 3000
F: 020 7166 3163

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Dear Phil Johnston,I wish to have an Internal Review please

Yours sincerely,

David Grothier

Phil Johnston, Independent Police Complaints Commission

Dear Mr Grothier,
Thank you for your e-mail.
I confirm that this matter has been passed to the Director of Business Services so that she can carry out the internal review.

Philip Johnston
Freedom of Information Officer
Directorate of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC)
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH
W: 020 7166 3000
F: 020 7166 3163

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Tony Wise left an annotation ()

All of us who have been let down by the IPCC should sign the e-petition at the link below. There must be 100,000 persons, families and friends who have been let down by this sham of an independent organisation.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petition...

David Grothier left an annotation ()

Rotten through and through Tony

Katy Barrows, Independent Police Complaints Commission

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Hi

Please see attached response,

Many thanks

Katy Barrows
Business Support Officer
Independent Police Complaints Commission
90 High Holborn
London
WC1V 6BH

Tel: 020 71663171
Email: [email address]

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Amanda Kelly, Independent Police Complaints Commission

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Dear Mr Grothier

Please see attached.

Kind regards

Amanda Kelly
Director of Business Services
Independent Police Complaints Commission
90 High Holborn
London WC1V 6BH

Telephone: +44 (0)20 7166 3039
[email address]

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Dear Amanda Kelly,

Dear Amanda Kelly,
OF COURSE YOU WOULD MOVE TO COVER UP THESE ISSUES!

This is simply indicative of how corrupt the IPPC is!

With the horrendous state of British policing today of course these matter are IN THE PUBLIC's interest only those with things to hide would think differently.

The public are indeed entitle to know what information the IPPC holds in relation to my complaints made against a corrupt policed force that things nothing of abusing the law.

All my complaint are made publicly and are definitely in the interests of more honest policing…which the Lord knows we so badly need.

In relation to correspondence I would remind you of my freedom of choice and of course Article 8 of Human Rights legislation 1988 which offers general protection for a person’s private and family life, home and correspondence. Also the Data Protection Act.

I suggest that…… YOU STOP SQUANDERING PUBLIC FUNDS AND GET ON WITH YOUR DUTIES TOWARD ME. OR IF YOU WISH I WILL PLACE THESE MATTER WITH THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER!

Mr Johnson does not have……. THE AUTHORITY TO CONCLUDE WHAT IS OR WHAT IS NOT IN THE PUBLIC’S BETTER INTEREST!

Yours sincerely,

David Grothier

Malcolm Lidbury left an annotation ()

My experience of the IPCC is entirely a negative one in that they are complicit in aiding the corrupt & dishonest constabulary to cover up police corruption & criminality by looking the other way, failing to examine evidence, failing to interview witnesses, igonoring the existence of evidence documentation.

Below OPEN LETTER to Mr A Hogg Devon & Cornwall Police new Crime Commissioner.

NB: Please note both the Prime Minister Office & Home Office DID respond, reffering me to the IPCC. My Mp Andrew George did diddly-squat as usual, theres £65,000 a year the tax payers could be saved for all the good my Mp does.

The IPCC buck passed the complaint to the Devon & Cornwall Police Professional Standards Unit for usual burial of a complaint, as has been my experience of police complaints & the corrupt way in which they are handled.

OPEN LETTER

Dear Mr Anthony Hogg; PCC Devon & Cornwall Constabulary

Congratulations on being elected Police & Crime Commissioner for Devon & Cornwall. I note your stated aim is to improve police service & attempt to improve public respect of police. But respect is earned, not a right simply because of being arrogant through the power to threaten, discriminate, & intimidate with impunity, hiding behind a police uniform & warrant card.

I write to you as a VICTIM OF CRIME reported in Cornwall:-
• Theft from my home
• Attacks upon my home
• Violent assault (TWICE)
• Intimidation as a witness
• My subjected to internet hate crime
• My victim of an attempted extortion
• My vehicles smashed up on my own property
• Subjected to DEATH THREATS & threats of physical violence
• Subjected to later ADMITTED by police false allegation (TWICE)
• Myself, & 80yr old mother, her tenants subjected to threats & abuse by POLICE officers

It is not just discrimination to racial minorities UK police practise as routine police procedure. Cornwall Police actively by their conduct have aided in instigating and/or encouraging many of the crimes against my family, my mothers’ tenants, friends, but primarily against me as a ‘gay man’.

Reports commissioned by government into policing attitudes towards gay persons in the UK, including Stephen Lawrence McPherson Report 1999, conclude HOMOPHOBIA rife within the police. Yet a blind eye repeatedly turned at every level when that police homophobia is reported. Cornwall Police choose to ignore crimes reported & then ignore complaints about police due to their discriminatory & dishonest police officers being complicit in further compounding of some offences.

As result of police misconduct following two separate police arrests 2004/2007 later admitted as false allegations made against me, but lead directly to two separate attempted suicides by me. This resulting in my being medically diagnosed with severe ‘Catastrophic Trauma’ leaving me all but housebound. My businesses completely destroyed as consequence of police misconduct. I survive on incapacity benefit & live every single day in genuine fear of yet further homophobic Cornwall police vendetta hate reprisals. NB: Cornwall already has amongst highest gay suicide rates per head of UK population.

I have personally witnessed Cornwall Police:-
• Police Commit Perjury
• Police Failure of duty of care
• Police Suppression of evidence,
• Police Intimidation of witnesses,
• Police Homophobic discrimination
• Police Instigated Hate Crime against gay persons
• …and more, to which I would testify to in a court of law

All these police incidents reported, but evidence ignored, witnesses ignored, evidence suppressed. It takes courage to make complaint against police; I have experienced 1st hand the police reprisals & police vendetta that DO follow from making complaint against police.

As an out gay man since 1989 I have visibly & actively campaigned for over 20yrs for gay equality, previously acknowledged for my gay equality & HIV/AIDS awareness achievements. In 2004 I took part in a Criminal Justice Board forum into ‘policing of the gay community’. Also I contributed as witness to enquiry into institutional UK Human Rights abuses, thanked for my contribution by Dame Nuala O'Loan DBE, chair of British Equality & Human Rights Commission. I also was invited as a witness in government audit office enquiry into effectiveness of the IPCC. I know from personal bitter, experience of Cornwall police corruption, criminality & prejudice IPCC totally ineffectual & utterly untrustworthy; not fit for purpose. IPCC just hand most complaints back to police force concerned… for police to bury & cover up! Devon & Cornwall Police Professional Standards Unit routinely ignore complaints about police officers… Cornwall Police Professional Standards Unit NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE, unless the intent of purpose is to cover up police dishonesty & criminality.

UK Police seldom held accountable for their crimes, abuse of power, corruption, and dishonesty, as carried out by police & further lies by senior police to cover up that police criminality & misconduct:-
• Police lies in Birmingham Six cover up
• Police lies in Hillsbourgh disaster cover up
• Police lies in N.O.W Leveson enquiry bribes
• Police failing in Jimmy Saville investigations cover up
• Police assault on Mark Aspinall, Afghan military war hero
• Police execution of Charles de Menezes initial police lies & cover up
• Police beating of Ian Tomlinson unlawful killing & police lies in cover up
• Police failing in the Welsh Children’s Homes Sex Abuse scandals cover up
• Police shooting of Mark Duggan, which ignited spark of the nationwide 2011 city riots
• …and many hundreds of very questionable & dubious deaths in police custody, police shootings & deaths caused in police RTI’s in the UK since 2000 (see INQUEST org reports)

The above known list is merely ‘tip of the iceberg’ of hundreds, if not thousands of commonplace abuses of power & criminality committed by police in the UK. The UK police seemingly are unaccountable, above the law, police even unlawfully killing with impunity. In your position as PCC please prioritise to have police criminality, police corruption & police abuse of power investigated properly & not covered up as is current practise of ‘one rule for police’, another for UK resident victims & families of police crimes & abuses. Police just do not deserve either respect or public trust.

As PCC please act to bring to policing complaint process some honesty & integrity currently entirely absent from police self-serving process. The complaint process additionally flawed as senior police officers seem to take no responsibility for their abysmal failure of their command, even when UK residents unlawfully killed by police. (ex. Charles de Menezes, Ian Tomlinson, Richard O'Brien, etc. etc.)

The Prime Minster, Mr David Cameron in a recent controversial ITV television interview recently raised the spectre of gay witch-hunts, but homophobes of Cornwall police conducting a gay witch-hunt for years! Since I came out as a gay man in 1989 I have not been charged, prosecuted or convicted of any criminal offence in a court of law, However as a public critic of police criminality & homophobia since 2004 I have been repeatedly victimised & targeted by Devon & Cornwall Constabulary in a police homophobic motivated relentlessly anti-gay witch hunt.

I give permission for you to view the 6hr video witness statement held by Cornwall police that I gave in 2010 regarding misconduct of numerous Cornwall police officers. That video statement buried by corrupt Devon & Cornwall senior police officers covering up police dishonesty & criminality.

Even though promised a copy by a police inspector when over two days in February & March 2010 I gave emotionally highly distressing & traumatising witness statement about police multiple misconduct & criminality, I was refused access via a Freedom of Information Act request to the video.

Its not just in Jimmy Saville & Welsh Care homes cases
corrupt police routinely suppress child sex abuse witness statements!!!

Prime Minster David Cameron recently advocated historic childhood sexual abuse should be reported.

Well I have reported, repeatedly, along with multiple other police misconduct & police criminality.

My video statement Feb/Mch 2010 contains in part my reporting my child sexual abuse when I was 6 or 7 years old up until I was about 10-ish by a paedophile ring. The abuse carried out by a known teacher, clergy & his POLICE mates. The video statement & incidents buried by complicit IPCC, IAG, CID, COG, CIOS Diversity, & senior police officers of Devon & Cornwall Constabulary.

My video statement provided to a police inspector in March 2010, but the video buried by Devon & Cornwall Constabulary & a participating police appointed advisor, (NB: A police advisor who has since participated in an online hate campaign against me as I am a witness who blew the whistle & provided information to a £1million tax fraud case now going to court. Evidence & witnesses of the police advisor hate campaign against me also now submitted to yet another court)!

The years of sexual abuse & male rape I experienced when I was a child NOTHING compared to EMOTIONAL RAPE & TRAUMA I have experienced caused & repeatedly carried out by police officers of the vile homophobic Devon & Cornwall Constabulary year-on-year since 2004.

Members of the public can report until blue-in-the face police intimidation, police dishonesty, police criminality, police corruption, & police discrimination, but are simply ignored & brushed aside by complacent authorities, complicit senior police officers & police sycophants, simply because police can through obstructive misfeasance & intimidation cover up their police misconduct & criminality.

Mr Hogg, being x-navy you may recognise; - ‘Homosexuality, it may be legal, but it’s still not allowed’, a navy term gay friends of mine formerly at RNAS Culdrose were very familiar with and is very much still the type of homophobic mentality doctrine & mantra as practised by Cornwall police.

I now have no respect or trust in any police officer from this vile & corrupt Devon & Cornwall Constabulary. I would like to know through courtesy of a reply your intent as PCC regarding my now reported to you experience of Devon & Cornwall Constabulary. It would be genuinely refreshing to me as victim of multiple crimes & homophobia if someone, connected with Devon & Cornwall police actually acted with even a modicum of honesty & integrity … just for a change.

Yours sincerely

Malcolm Lidbury
CC:-A Hogg; PCC
D Cameron; Prime Minister
A George, Mp for Helston
COG & Chief Constable Devon & Cornwall Police
IPCC
..and others

NB: This letter sent in Nov 2012 to the PCC. Still no reply to date. Meanwhile IPCC continues to look the other way regarding complaints against the police.

The IPCC simply is not fit for purpose in protecting the public from the incidents of widespread & commonplace police dishonesty, criminality & corruption as is routinely protected within the Constabulary.

David Grothier left an annotation ()

You are of course correct. The depth of corruption in both the police forces and the IPPC is immeasurable and beyond the belief of the general public...until of course they feel the true weight of these things.

Nick Hardwick the former head of the IPPC has to be one of the most corrupt people in the UK and yet gets kicked into responsible into a top job.

Looking around at the sad state of Britain today...is it any wonder that we are a very sick, pitiful sorry nation!

And the decline will continue while these people put self interest before the common interest!

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