Amount still being paid to the EU

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Dear Her Majesty’s Treasury,

Since we voted to leave the EU can you tell me has all payments stopped, and if not
1: how much has been paid total since the vote on exit,
2: why is this still being paid? and what instructions have you received about this matter,
3: I instruct you to stop paying any monies at once, immediate cessation is required, else you are acting against our will we do not need to wait to sign any clauses to exit, we voted we are out, no negotiation required, who is responsible for allowing the payment to continue, name please ?

Yours faithfully,

Peter:Brewster

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Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

International treaties and agreements are not something 'responsible' Governments simply break at a moments notice.

In the case of the UK's exit from the EU the process set out in the Treaty has to be followed, otherwise a whole raft of complications arise - including but not limited to:

(i) The repayment to the EU of funds received but not yet expended - for example EU Farming Subsidies to UK Farmers. UK Charities are likely to be heavily hit by the loss of this funding, as many rely on such subsidies to supplement their incomes from agricultural land generating income to further their charitable purposes.

(ii) Any outstanding UK contributions to the EU central budget.

(iii) The repayment of Ministerial salaries, expenses received by UK members of the European Parliament

(iv) UK contributions to the EU Relief budget - its promised/committed contributions to the EU's various International Aid programs.

(v) The repayment to the EU of Social Funding provided to establish programs for the unemployed/deprived areas in the UK - for example training programs, enterprise allowance programs (small business start up funding), community programs, etc. This is another loss likely to impact heavily on UK charities working with the unemployed, particularly since the UK Government at national and Local level is already cutting its own contributions to such charities.

(vi) Completing proper arrangements for exiting existing leases for offices/accommodation used by UK staff/employees resident in the EU and making redundancy/relocation arrangements for those staff employed by the UK who's EU related job role ceases to exist once the UK exits, such as -
Janitors/Cleaners/Secretaries/Drivers/Office Staff and all the other 'ancillaries' associated with the UK presence in Brussels and other EU Government sites/offices.

There are many more similar financial and contractual obligations the UK is obliged to meet under and as a result of its current status as an EU member State. The flow of funding being a two way flow, not just from the UK to the EU as many seem to have thought.

The obvious consequence of exiting without complying with the exit provisions in the Treaty would be a loss of faith on the part of other nations and institutions - if a Country/Government can't be trusted to honor its Treaty agreements, then it can't be trusted period.

Have to say, as an outside observer, not the best decision the UK voters ever made.

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

PS: Almost forgot to mention the very similar situation which arose in the US - leading to the American Civil War.

An extreme example, but serves to demonstrate what can happen when one party to an Agreement decides to just leave without following due process.

The Confederacy: We declare separation from the Union immediately!

The Union: But...'One Nation'...The Constitution!

Both: This means War!

Dear Her Majesty’s Treasury,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Her Majesty’s Treasury's handling of my FOI request 'Amount still being paid to the EU'.
Because they say they have the info but I should wait till they publish the report, well that is just a delaying tactic, this has not been answered, I want the question answered, to date how much have we paid since the vote to leave also the coronation oath was broken when we entered the EU so it is Lawful to leave immediately and treason to delay as legal and lawful are opposites :)

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Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Interested readers:

The Coronation Oath taken by the current UK Monarch on June 2nd 1953 can be read in full here -

https://www.royal.uk/coronation-oath-2-j....

The Oath can be summarized as making three promises.

(i) Govern in accordance with the LAWS of the UK and those other States of which you are titular Head.

(ii) Govern fairly/justly within the framework of those LAWS.

(iii) Preserve the rights of the Church of England.

In relation to the LAWS of the UK, including Northern Ireland and Scotland, EU membership was adopted by Parliament in accordance with those LAWS and this in no way conflicted with the Oath as given.

The terms 'Legal' and' Lawful' are very clearly explained/discussed here -

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-differe....

There is a technical/semantic difference, but not one that contradicts the common principle behind each term - the LAW applies to everyone and an action taken within the framework of the LAW is an action LAWFULLY taken.

Becky

Peter:Brewster left an annotation ()

There is a difference between legal and lawful legally you may be right but as this country is a common law state it is against our founding laws to hand power over to foreign persons.
All our Common law is based upon the Magna Carta and the Declaration of Rights,, so legally they think they can make up new laws and make us comply.
Not so, if a man has certain powers, and he cedes those powers to another to act in his stead, then the second person can only act as to the intial pwers he was ceded,
but government was ceded powers by the people to act in our stead, but they only have the powers we naturally have, so they cannot exceed that granted authority, but they do so.
They pull new powers from their backsides, they were not granted those rights, so everything they do in the name of "legal" is actually unlawful under common law so the monarch promised to uphold then was told to not uphold our laws and customs, she is a traitor :)

Becky Bbear left an annotation ()

Without in any way wishing to dispute the right of every person to hold whatever beliefs they wish, the history and 'evolution' of law in all its contexts and aspects is far longer and more complex that you seem to be suggesting.

The first 'laws' were quite simply the 'edicts' or commands of the leader, whether called a Chief, King, Thane or whatever. Historically, in those periods of history might actually did make right - as the leader enforced their decrees by brute force as and when needed.

As societies evolved, more structured laws came into being, although even Magna Carta was imposed on a 'weak' King at the point of many very sharp swords - and almost immediately disclaimed/disputed by the King as soon as he felt safe to do so. In modern legal structures, the principle of 'acting under duress' is well recognized.

The English Civil War changed the legal landscape further, removing (for a time) the powers of arbitrary justice held by the King and placing those same powers in the hands of Parliament - which between 1640 and 1660 abolished Christmas and many historic 'Saint's Day' Holidays using those exact powers.

Following the Restoration more changes to the legal landscape occurred, eventually giving rise to the structure in place today in the UK and its former colonies. Other Nations followed similar paths eventually leading to more or less the same structure, with a range of cultural twists and adaptations.

In none of these current legal structures is 'authority' ceded to a Government by its people - except in very broad terms under whatever structure exists for the election or appointment of the Government. In a sense its exactly like the structure of a Company, where the members choose the Directors and once chosen the Directors make the decisions, until replaced by the Members again if they disagree with the decisions made.

The 'common law' existed long before Magna Carta, parts dating as far back as the Roman Occupation - which is why Latin is the 'language of law' and why Latin terms are used even today. Google 'leges barbarorum', 'folkright law', or 'Germanic law' all of which formed the 'common law' of what is now the UK at one time or another - and all of which still contribute to what are now historic 'rights' rather than actual laws.

Treason doesn't enter into the argument at all I'm afraid. Like the Oath said - the LAW, as made by Parliament which currently holds the power to enforce its wishes.

This is the short version, like I said its complex and needs years of dedicated study to even begin to understand.

Good luck with your researches though, it is a fascinating subject if you put the effort in.

Becky

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Thank you lovely read and informative :)

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