Allodial Title

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Dear Sir or Madam,

I understand that it is possible to create an Allodial Title in England. Please highlight the process to do this, or can it simply be declared and Registered accordingly.

Yours faithfully,

Claire Cox

Hookway, Adam, Land Registry

Dear Claire Cox
Thank you for your enquiry.
An Allodial title is not a term with which I am particularly familiar but I understand that such titles are not possible in England & Wales, the area which we register.
The Internet provides a degree of information regarding these titles and it would appear that they relevant in the USA for example although the question of their relevance appears to be questioned.

If you are able to expand on what information led you to understand that it was possible to create such a title in England then I would be happy to make further enquiries
yours sincerely
Adam Hookway
Correspondence & Enquiries Team Leader
Customer Service
Head Office
Direct line - 020 7166 4831
GTN 7 3504 4831
email [email address]

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Dear Adam

Thank you for your response.

Allodial title describes a situation where real property (land, buildings and fixtures) is owned free and clear of any encumbrances, including liens, mortgages and tax obligations. Allodial title is inalienable, in that it cannot be taken by any operation of law for any reason whatsoever.

Why is such a title not possible in England and Wales please?

Yours sincerely,

Claire Cox

Hookway, Adam, Land Registry

Dear Claire
Technically all land in England & Wales is owned by virtue of the fact that we have a Monarch. In law if there is no legal owner then it is the Crown that holds title.
You may wish to check the following information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_ti... and whilst i appreciate that this is a "contributory website" it will give you a far wider understanding of this subject
regards
Adam

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Dear Adam

How is 'legal owner' defined in law please? How does one become a legal owner as opposed to living on land that is 'technically' owned by the Crown?

Yours sincerely,

Claire Cox

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Hookway, Adam, Land Registry

Dear Claire
For legal definitions and understanding I would recommend that you refer to the Law of Property Act 1925 the underpinning legislation for land law in England & Wales.
Information on First Registration, the act of registering title to land/property can be found in our Practice Guide No 1. Other guides are available and these may also be of interest to you for example Nos 4 and 5.
The attached link will take you to a list of guides available via our website
http://www1.landregistry.gov.uk/publicat...

The general information that we are able to provide is contained largely in our practice and public guides.
regards
Adam Hookway
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Dear Adam

Im sorry but that doesnt really answer my question. As the Land Registry surely you know what constitutes 'legal owner' in law?

Yours sincerely,

Claire Cox

Hookway, Adam, Land Registry

Dear Claire
Thank you for your further email enquiry.

Your original question was how is a legal owner defined in law as opposed to how does Land Registry define the term. Whilst that may appear pedantic we will not normally respond to such enquiries relating to land law in England & Wales as these are covered by the LPA 1925. I am sorry that I did not make this point in my earlier responses but I felt it better to at least try and point you in the right direction.

The Land Registration Act and Rules, which Land Registry works within, relates to how interests and rights created by the LPA 1925 are then dealt with as part of the policies and practices underpinning land registration.

That is why I have referred you to the LPA 1925 in an effort to enable you to source the answer to your questions. The LPA 1925 would be the best place to start when trying to understand land law in England & Wales.

From our perspective a legal owner in England & Wales is a person who can show legal title to the land/property, usually through registration of that ownership on the Land Register. Legal ownership contrasts for example with beneficial ownership whereby the person shown on the land register as the registered proprietor, and deemed to therefore be the legal owner, may in fact merely being holding the title for example in trust.

regards
Adam Hookway

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angela beckett left an annotation ()

Sis
I have been trying to make my land safe from a sustained effort over 15 years by the L:PA who have interest in a local foot ball club who had purchased an old rugby field,levelled the ground ,a massive land movement ,the recently also put flood lights on the land ,my land on which was my home a brick house was 1.8 acres ,but because I wanted to change use from upholstery workshops show room and offices ,i ran into trouble with this as they asked me to prove business use for at least 10 years ,again with overwhelming evidence they refused as they said there was no CLUED,i employed a lawyer and barrister ,it took 2 years ,but i won ,of course i had to pay my costs.
my efforts for abstraction rights were thwarted for a year ,then they demanded an additional 3 years test results on top of the 4 already given ,eventually i was allowed ts start selling the water ,but it so broke me i had to sell my home and 25% of my land and i put a caravan on the land to live in.
I was evicted from that on 8th september 2012 after one year deliberation over my application for a permanent home in support of a rural enterprise .another appeal to the secretary of state was rejected ,I have tried to give the land to trust ,but cant find anyone interested ,so have been exploring other possibilities ,would this method "Alloidal Title" work ,i just want to protect my land from being snatched by the LPA
Regards
David

wayne lee left an annotation ()

The fact that someone in the Land Registry does not know what Allodial Title is is frankly ridiculous. You do not have absolute right to property in the UK, your right is Limited as all land is owned by the Crown and licensed to you, even if Freehold.

Gareth Chambers left an annotation ()

Hello,

There IS a way, but it is THE ONLY way, of obtaining a patch of land to which you are the absolute owner (monarch), but you probably won't like it. The Crown has supreme ownership of all land under which all the other categories of tenure are listed, so there is no such ting as "free land". It is either already owned by the Crown, or someone "legally" owns the tenure subject to the Crown by various tenure titles i.e. lease, freehold, rent, quit-rent etc.

OK, the reason why you are reading this: here is the method for acquiring allodial title: CONQUEST. As it always has been. You have to go to get your own military and then go to war with the Crown. If you win, it is yours, if they win, they keep it. If you win, you will have to establish a border and then maintain your land with military force powerful enough to keep them off. You could set up a treaty but that would be sort of contradictory to the initial move of going to war, unless you can arrange some sort of trade agreement I suppose, something that would benefit them from allowing you your own sovereign land. Otherwise why would they let you have it "just because". To seem like "nice guys". LoL "nice" is a mind control device for slaves.

They will NEVER just give it to you through appealing to them via the very system they have in place to ensure their own kingdom and subjects prop up their wealth. Not gonna happen. EVER. All land has been taken through conquest and then maintained through armed force. I suppose you could start up an enlistment process. If your deal is good enough, I might consider joining your nation to be! Just don't join the EU after, it's a communist poverty machine.

Gareth Chambers left an annotation ()

Additional:

What you would have then, if you win, is an enclave to which YOU then are the supreme landowner, every single square nanometre, and you get to make the rules as you wish and any rules you like!

You can tax anyone for the privilege of allowing them to exist on your newly secured land in whatever way you so desire, or put them to the sword if they ask for no quarter in words or action. Then you can create "rights" that your serfs can appeal for so as to be taxed and impose obligations from their daily expenditure of time and energy. You can also give them land under tenure titles to which they owe you some kind of tribute at the end of the month/day/year; all for you to decide. BUT you would have to be constantly aware of someone in the midst who has the same desire to acquire allodial title from you and do it all over again for their allodial ownership! Ah, just give them all TVs and take-aways and they will love you forever and never think of turning you over for losing their comfort that you provide!

Also you will make it into the history books!

Liz Watson left an annotation ()

How can a Monarch using a Corporation called 'The Crown Corporation' possibly "own" the land which belongs to the natural inhabitants and indigenous people of that land and country? How can one person or living man or woman "own" an entire country's land when they are an overwhelming minority and have absolutely no power to enforce without the consent of the People residing on that land?

Gareth Chambers left an annotation ()

@Liz Watson

Because they remain unchallenged. What their method is called is irrelevant, or how they manage their subjects. They do have power: for as long as people still comply with them. For as long as people keep working and paying, they own the people. Most of the population actually like it and want to exist as a serf. You get a lot of creature comforts and facilities which people prefer to have over freedom and fight.

You see this happened a long time ago and over a long time. It is from the feudal times, one significant person being William the Conqueror the backstory of which would be a recomendation for you. Something only belongs to someone if they can keep it, and for as long as they can keep it. Until the people go and take it back from the Monarchy, they get to call it their own. Corporation etc, is merely a system of ownership managment that has evolved over the years, but ultimately they remain unchallenged and therefore the owners of the land. I don't expect a mass disapproval of this any time soon.

Amanda-Jane left an annotation ()

in the 1800's Great Britain went in to economic collapse and all the men and women our families gave their estates to the crown in trust to take care of our country and not the crowns or governments lifestyles , it states in the journals of the house of commons vol 40 page 663-664 ...as follows: that All the sovereign legislative and judicial powers are the rights of the people and though the people have delegated those their original powers to others IN TRUST to the benefit of the community, yet the rights themselves are reserved by the people and cannot be absolutely parted with by the people to those persons who are employed to conduct the business of the state,
in a nutshell the crown government judiciary and police are guilty of crimes against the people and you can claim your property by notice of affidavit of Allodial property claim and its under you claim of right as it is your birth right ..it is your land and it is in trust ..you need to lay a lawful claim of jurisdiction as a competent heir, IF ANY MAN OR WOMAN WANTS A TEMPLATE FOR THE ALLODIAL PROPERTY CLAIM MESSAGE ME INCLUDE YOUR EMAIL as you cant email pdf's on here NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE CLASS YOURSELF AS A PERSON OR A HUMAN...Blacks Law dictionary page 1158 ....MONSTER- a prodigious birth a human birth or offspring not having the shape of mankind which cannot be heir to any land albeit it be brought forth into marriage .... also forget about human rights its for monsters you have unalienable rights and you also was given 5 acres of land which the governments stole from you and sold to their EU buddies yes they have sold the peoples land, they committed treason forced us to be a part of the EU the elites union with mass fraud and murder in mind ..agenda 21-30 in the guise of an environmental project but is a depopulation agenda...these satanic paedophile child killers NEED TO GO we need to annihilate them off our planet and sooner rather than later....the top of the pyramid has been shook COMMON LAW POLICE TRIED TO ARREST THE DEVIL POPE ....COMMON LAW THE TRUE LAW OF THE LAND PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP YOU SCUMBAG ELITE...YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED....