Actual attendance - Sunderland vs Cardiff City

Alan Smith made this Freedom of Information request to Northumbria Police

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Dear Northumbria Police,

Can you please confirm the actual attendance for the Sunderland vs Cardiff City on the 23rd September 2017.

Yours faithfully,


Freedom of Information Mailbox, Northumbria Police

Could you please confirm your name as these appear to differ in this request.

Dear Freedom of Information Mailbox,

Hi, sorry for the confusion. My name is Alan Jack Smith, I tend to go back Jack, you can address me as either Jack or Alan, whichever you prefer.

Yours sincerely,

Alan Smith

Freedom of Information Mailbox, Northumbria Police

Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA)

Thank you for your email received today in which you make a request for information that Northumbria Police may hold in accordance with the Freedom Of Information Act 2000

We are in the process of dealing with your request and a response should be provided to you by 27/10/17 which is in accordance with the legislation.

Yours sincerely

Information Management Unit

Freedom of Information Mailbox, Northumbria Police

Provision of information held by Northumbria Police made under the Freedom
of Information Act 2000 (the 'Act')


Thank you for your e mail dated 29 September 2017 in which you made a
request for access to certain information which may be held by Northumbria


As you may be aware the purpose of the Act is to allow a general right of
access to information held at the time of a request, by a Public Authority
(including the Police), subject to certain limitations and exemptions.


You asked:

Can you please confirm the actual attendance for the Sunderland vs Cardiff
City on the 23rd September 2017.


We have now had the opportunity to fully consider your request and I
provide a response for your attention.


As the information you have requested is accessible by other means I have
not provided you with a copy of the information and will rely on Section
21 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000.  You should therefore consider
this a refusal for your request.


I have provided an explanation to this exemption below.


Section 21 (1) - Information accessible by other means


Information which is reasonably accessible to the applicant is exempt


The Football Clubs are responsible for recording and publishing their own

Attendance figures are routinely published by the Football clubs and can
be found by simple research.



Due to the different methods of recording information across 43 forces, a
specific response from one constabulary should not be seen as an
indication of what information could be supplied (within cost) by another.
Systems used for recording these figures are not generic, nor are the
procedures used locally in capturing the data. For this reason responses
between forces may differ, and should not be used for comparative


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Dear Freedom of Information Mailbox,

Whilst it is true that clubs to publish attendance figures, these figures include tickets sold and not used, therefore are often higher than the true turn style figures.

I can not find details of how many people entered the turn style that day, despite deep research. With this in mind I kindly request you reconsider your stance and provide the figures.

Yours sincerely,

Alan Smith

Freedom of Information Mailbox, Northumbria Police

Mr Smith
After liaising with our Operations Department I can advise that our previous application of Section 12 is still relevant.
We do not hold any other figures other than those published by the clubs, and which can be found published on their websites.