Access to open country within the Derry City and Strabane district
Dear Derry City and Strabane District Council,
further to the provisions of the Access to the Countryside (Northern Ireland) Order 1983 (Part III),
I am writing to request information on any 'open country' within your district to which the Council (or its precursors Derry City or Strabane District Councils) has secured public access.
The above Order defines three mechanisms by which public access to open country may be secured, namely: access agreements (Article 28), access orders (Article 29) and compulsory acquisition (Article 39).
Please could you provide a list within your district of any such: (1) access agreements entered into, (2) access orders made and (3) compulsory acquisitions of land.
For any of the above that exist, please could you provide:
(a) the date enacted, (b) the size of the land in hectares, (c) a map of the land in question, and (d) a copy of the respective access agreement, access order or folio deeds as applicable. Please feel free to redact any personal data of individuals appearing in these records.
Please could you also provide records of any consultations your Council has undertaken pursuant to Article 27 of the Order.
For the avoidance of doubt, my request only relates to land within your district that is considered to be 'open country' as per Article 25 of the above Order, not to general amenity land or public parks.
Yours faithfully,
Ligand Fields
Dear Ligand,
Please find attached acknowledgement of your FOI request.
Regards
Danielle Fitzpatrick
Information Management Team
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Dear Derry City & Strabane District Council,
you have not provided the requested information in the required timeframe.
Please advise if you still intend to provide a reply, or if I will have escalate to the ICO.
Many thanks
Ligand Fields
Dear Mr Fields,
Please find attached the response to your FOI request.
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Danielle Fitzpatrick
Information Management Team
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Dear Derry City & Strabane District Council,
(please could you ensure this reply reaches Mr John Kelpie, Chief Executive)
Thank you very much for the Council's response (ref: FOI / 5091) to my freedom of information request regarding access to 'open country' in your district.
However I would like to exercise my option for you to undertake a review of your response, as I'm afraid you seem to have misunderstood my request: I was asking specifically about access to 'open country' (as per *Part III *of the Access to the Countryside NI Order 1983), whereas you have supplied details of 'public rights of way' (linear public paths) within your district (as per *Part II* of the above Order).
The documentation of the 11 public rights of way within your district is nonetheless very welcome and it is great to have this material available in the public domain, so thank you for that, I do appreciate the time and trouble taken.
However could you please provide an answer on the original request, regarding access to open country? (For the avoidance of doubt: this is as per the provision of Part III of the Order here https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisi/1983...). Part III of the Order involves public access to designated areas consisting "wholly or predominantly of mountain, moor, heath, hill, woodland, cliff, foreshore, marsh, bog or waterway" rather than linear paths.
Is there any such access within your district?
Many thanks.
Yours sincerely,
Ligand Fields
Hi Mr Fields,
I can confirm that I have queried this with the relevant department and
will be in touch in due course.
Regards
Danielle Fitzpatrick
Information Management Team
From: Ligand Fields <[FOI #1128498 email]>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2024 4:28 PM
To: foi <[Derry City and Strabane District Council request email]>
Subject: Internal review of Freedom of Information request - Access to
open country within the Derry City and Strabane district
Dear Derry City & Strabane District Council,
(please could you ensure this reply reaches Mr John Kelpie, Chief
Executive)
Thank you very much for the Council's response (ref: FOI / 5091) to my
freedom of information request regarding access to 'open country' in your
district.
However I would like to exercise my option for you to undertake a review
of your response, as I'm afraid you seem to have misunderstood my request:
I was asking specifically about access to 'open country' (as per *Part III
*of the Access to the Countryside NI Order 1983), whereas you have
supplied details of 'public rights of way' (linear public paths) within
your district (as per *Part II* of the above Order).
The documentation of the 11 public rights of way within your district is
nonetheless very welcome and it is great to have this material available
in the public domain, so thank you for that, I do appreciate the time and
trouble taken.
However could you please provide an answer on the original request,
regarding access to open country? (For the avoidance of doubt: this is as
per the provision of Part III of the Order here
[1]https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisi/1983...). Part III of the Order
involves public access to designated areas consisting "wholly or
predominantly of mountain, moor, heath, hill, woodland, cliff, foreshore,
marsh, bog or waterway" rather than linear paths.
Is there any such access within your district?
Many thanks.
Yours sincerely,
Ligand Fields
Dear Derry City & Strabane District Council,
thank you agreeing to conduct an internal review of your response to this request (ref FOI 5091)
I have located some information will likely be helpful for your review:
The NI Assembly 'AIMS' Portal records a written answer provided by the then Environment Minister in Oct 2011 (ref AQW 2760/11-15). This was in answer to the question "How many access agreements have been entered into by each District Council pursuant to Article 28 of the Accesst o the Countryside (NI) Order 1983; and what is the total area of access land created as a result."
In the Minister's reply, he noted that Derry City Council reported they had made one Access Agreement under Article 28, for an area of 2.1 hectares. (The reply does not given any further detail as to which site this was on).
Hopefully your current records can locate this 2.1 hectare site.
Yours sincerely,
Ligand Fields
Dear Mr Fields,
Our Natural Environment Manager has confirmed that Council hold no records
of lands having being designated under Part III of the Access to the
Countryside Order.
Regards
Danielle Fitzpatrick
Information Management Team
From: Ligand Fields <[FOI #1128498 email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2024 11:59 AM
To: foi <[Derry City and Strabane District Council request email]>
Subject: Internal review of Freedom of Information request - Access to
open country within the Derry City and Strabane district
Dear Derry City & Strabane District Council,
thank you agreeing to conduct an internal review of your response to this
request (ref FOI 5091)
I have located some information will likely be helpful for your review:
The NI Assembly 'AIMS' Portal records a written answer provided by the
then Environment Minister in Oct 2011 (ref AQW 2760/11-15). This was in
answer to the question "How many access agreements have been entered into
by each District Council pursuant to Article 28 of the Accesst o the
Countryside (NI) Order 1983; and what is the total area of access land
created as a result."
In the Minister's reply, he noted that Derry City Council reported they
had made one Access Agreement under Article 28, for an area of 2.1
hectares. (The reply does not given any further detail as to which site
this was on).
Hopefully your current records can locate this 2.1 hectare site.
Yours sincerely,
Ligand Fields
Dear Derry City & Strabane District Council,
thank you for your further reply to my FOI request (ref FOI 5091) following your internal review.
I'm afraid I cannot consider your reply satisfactory.
This is because:
- it directly contradicts your Council's reply to the NI Assembly's then Minister for the Environment in the latter half of 2011 (ref AQW 2760/11-15 - see https://aims.niassembly.gov.uk/questions... ), but yet you offer no explanation for the discrepancy.
In order to avoid the unnecessary time and expense of involving the Information Commissioner, I would like to give the Council the opportunity to clarify its response.
Firstly I think would be helpful if you could confirm whether the Council still retains a record of its response to the Minister's question ref AQW 2760/11-15, and if so provide a copy of that response? Or is record of that response no longer held? (If not, it may still be held by DAERA, and I would be happy to submit an FOI to them in that regard).
Secondly it would be helpful if you could offer some explanation why your response to my FOI 5091 contradicts your response the Minister ref AQW 2760/11-15.
It seems to me that possibilities could include:
(a) you have decided that your response to the Minister in 2011 was incorrect.
(b) your response to the Minister in 2011 was correct, but your Council has since lost the records of the Access Agreement referred to.
(c) the Access Agreement your Council referred to in 2011 was time limited with the land-owner(s) in question, and was not renewed when it expired.
Sorry to press the point but I feel I have explained my reasoning for doing so.
Respectfully,
Ligand Fields
Mr Fields
Thank you for your correspondence below. As the information being
requested is connected to, but not the same as, your previous request, I
think that the best approach would be to treat it is a new Freedom of
Information request. We will still provide a full response to your
queries.
Are you happy enough to proceed in this way?
Thanks
Damian McCay
Information and Customer Services Officer
From: Ligand Fields <[FOI #1128498 email]>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2024 4:34 PM
To: foi <[Derry City and Strabane District Council request email]>
Subject: Internal review of Freedom of Information request - Access to
open country within the Derry City and Strabane district
Dear Derry City & Strabane District Council,
thank you for your further reply to my FOI request (ref FOI 5091)
following your internal review.
I'm afraid I cannot consider your reply satisfactory.
This is because:
- it directly contradicts your Council's reply to the NI Assembly's then
Minister for the Environment in the latter half of 2011 (ref AQW
2760/11-15 - see
[1]https://aims.niassembly.gov.uk/questions...
), but yet you offer no explanation for the discrepancy.
In order to avoid the unnecessary time and expense of involving the
Information Commissioner, I would like to give the Council the opportunity
to clarify its response.
Firstly I think would be helpful if you could confirm whether the Council
still retains a record of its response to the Minister's question ref AQW
2760/11-15, and if so provide a copy of that response? Or is record of
that response no longer held? (If not, it may still be held by DAERA, and
I would be happy to submit an FOI to them in that regard).
Secondly it would be helpful if you could offer some explanation why your
response to my FOI 5091 contradicts your response the Minister ref AQW
2760/11-15.
It seems to me that possibilities could include:
(a) you have decided that your response to the Minister in 2011 was
incorrect.
(b) your response to the Minister in 2011 was correct, but your Council
has since lost the records of the Access Agreement referred to.
(c) the Access Agreement your Council referred to in 2011 was time limited
with the land-owner(s) in question, and was not renewed when it expired.
Sorry to press the point but I feel I have explained my reasoning for
doing so.
Respectfully,
Ligand Fields
Deae Derry City & Strabane District Council
Thank you for the prompt reply further to internal review of FOI 5091.
Yes I am happy for you to proceed as suggested.
Many thanks,
Ligand Fields
Dear Mr Fields,
Please find attached acknowledgement of your FOI request.
Regards
Danielle Fitzpatrick
Information Management Team
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Dear Mr Fields,
Please find attached the response to your FOI request.
Regards
Danielle Fitzpatrick
Information Management Team
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