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Dear Kent County Council,

Of the children who failed the kent test in autumn 2019, but took either the dover test or the shepway test, for each test what proportion of children passed the respective tests.

For the children who took and failed the kent test, but passed the dover tests,
what was the lowest kent test score and the average kent test score.
What was the lowest and average KATS test score

For the children who took and failed the kent test, but passed the shepway tests,
what was the lowest kent test score and the average kent test score.
What was the lowest and average KATS test score

How many children have sat both the dover test and the shepway test for each year, for the past 10 years.
How many children have listed both a Dover and a Folkestone grammar school on a SCAF for each year for the past 10 years.
What is the percentage of pupil premium children that have passed the kent test in the past 10 years.
What is the percentage of pupil premium children that have passed the shepway test in the past 10 years.
What is the percentage of pupil premium children that have passed the dover test in the past 10 years.

What proportion of children who registered as SEN for the purposes of the kent test passed the kent test.
Of those who failed but took either the dover test or shepway test, what proportion passed the respective test.
Did any of the pupils with SEN take both of the tests?

Of the children who took the Kent test on a saturday because they do not reside in the kent area, how many of those also sat an entrance test for a grammar school who does their own entrance test.
Of the children who took the out of area kent test , how many of those named a school who does their own entrance test on the SCAF.

For each grammar school in Kent that does their own entrance test, what proportion of pupils that apply for the schools have passed their own entrance test but not the kent test.

Yours faithfully,
Claire Thornton

 

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Dear Ms Thornton
   
Thank you for your email which we received on 2 November 2019.
 
Kent County Council (KCC) acknowledges your request for information, which
we will consider under the relevant legislation (Freedom of Information
Act 2000 and/or Environmental Information Regulations 2004).
 
Assuming KCC holds this information, we will endeavour to supply the data
to you as soon as possible but no later than 29 November 2019 (20 working
days from date of receipt).
 
We will advise you as soon as possible if we do not hold this information
or if there are exemptions to be considered and/or any costs for providing
the information.
 
Please quote our reference - 9897177 in any communication regarding this
particular request.
 

Please see our [1]Information Rights Privacy Notice for details of how we
process your personal data.

 
Yours sincerely
 
 
Carly Wattle
Information Access Officer
Strategic and Corporate Services
+443000417061

 
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Dear Ms Thornton
 
Thank you for your request for information received on 4 November 2019.
 
Please find attached our response to your request.
 
Yours sincerely
 
 
Kelly Leeson
Strategic and Corporate Services
 
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James Coombs left an annotation ()

That's an interesting reply.

"329 children sat the Dover Test that had not been assessed suitable for a Kent grammar after sitting the Kent Test. Of those, 168 were successful in the Dover Test."
"We are unable to provide the lowest score [of those who passed Dover test but failed Kent test] as it could potentially identify the individuals involved, especially if combined with other data."

As an outsider I'm having trouble keeping up with all these tests, but I've got this right 168 children failed the Kent test then passed the Dover one.

I'd like to understand what other data KCC believe is in the public domain which would enable a motivated intruder (ICO terminology) to discover exactly which of the 168 who passed Dover but failed Kent test had the lowest score?

Given that the process by which children are admitted to state funded education is fully open and transparent (that's irony by the way) they should, as a matter of routine disclosure, release anonymised pupil level linked data showing the scores in both tests to enable an objective quantitative comparison between these tests to be made.

I suspect the only information passed from the schools who run the Dover test to KCC is a binary pass/fail and KCC can genuinely claim to not hold this information but the school(s) can't claim to not hold the KCC test results. Under s.3(2)(b) of FOIA (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/200...) the school(s) 'hold' the KCC test scores, even if they are not in physical possession of this data because "it is held by another person on behalf of the authority." (KCC is a 'person' under the legislation.)

I'd suggest
1. Ask KCC to review their decision and explain how individuals can be identified in all the examples. They may have a valid point with the SEN numbers but not something which identifies a group of 168!!
2. Ask the school(s) for anonymised pupil level linked marks for both tests. That should be really interesting.

Dear Kent County Council,

I would like to request an internal review please.

168 were successful in the Dover Test and 205 were successful in the shepway test.

I would like to know which information is publically available which would allow me to identify individuals from such a large sample of children?

Otherwise i would like to know the anonymised total kent test scores for all of the children who passed the dover test and the same for those that passed the shepway test please.

Yours sincerely,

Claire Thornton

 

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Dear Ms Thornton
 
Thank you for your request for a review received on 9 December 2019. I am
sorry that you are dissatisfied with our attempts to handle your request
under the Freedom of Information Act 2000
 
I can confirm that we are considering your concerns and we will aim to
provide you with a response by 6 January 2020.
 
Yours sincerely
 
 
Kelly Leeson
Strategic and Corporate Services
 
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Dear Ms Thornton
 
Thank you for your 5th December email.

As I have explained to you on a previous occasion, our decision not to
provide Kent Test results in any greater detail than the level we
currently proactively publish in the Kent Test Scores Report 
[1]https://www.kent.gov.uk/education-and-ch...
follows on from a complaint from a parent to the Information Commissioner
(ICO). The parent complained that she could identify her own child from a
publication of Kent Test results broken down to school level on the
WhatDoTheyKnow website

After the ICO had investigated the complaint, they wrote to KCC in January
2018 advising that where KCC is publishing Kent Test results to school
level in response to FOI requests, the publication of this level of
detail, especially for small schools where only one or two children may
have taken the test, is allowing some people to identify students and the
results that they have achieved.  As a result, the ICO advised KCC that it
had breached the Data Protection Act 1998, and requested that we consider
both the complaint in question and review the way in which this type of
data is published in the future.

Taking the ICO's advice into account, along with our obligations under the
new Data Protection Act 2018 (DPA 2018) and the General Data Protection
Regulation (GDPR) that together form part of the current data protection
regime in the UK, we consider disclosure of the information you have asked
us for will, or will be likely to enable the identification of individual
students, not only by others but also themselves. Whilst I appreciate that
providing you with of some of the statistics you have asked for, for
example the lowest Kent Test score for a child who failed the Kent Test
but passed the Shepway test, would not facilitate you identifying the
child, the child themselves or their parent guardian may recognise the
individual score. Therefore, our application of section 40(2) of the
Freedom of Information Act is as much about preventing self-identification
as it is the disclosure of third party personal data.

If you remain unhappy and consider KCC has not complied with legislation,
you can appeal to the Information Commissioner, who oversees compliance
with the Freedom of Information Act 2000, Data Protection Act 2018 &
General Data Protection Regulation. Details of what you need to do, should
you wish to pursue this course of action, are available from the
Information Commissioner's
website  [2]https://ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/, or you can phone the ICO
Helpline on 0303 123 1113.

Best regards

Caroline Dodge | Information Governance Manager | Information Resilience &
Transparency Team | Kent County Council | Room 2.87, Sessions House,
Maidstone, ME14 1XQ | Phone 03000 416033 | Fax 03000 420303 |  [3]Access
to Information | Please see our [4]Information Rights Privacy Notice for
details of how we process your personal data in line with our data
protection obligations |  

 
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Dear Kent County Council,

I am not happy with the lack of information, i will amend my request in order that there is no risk of a person identifying themselves beyond that which is already published in relation to the kent test results. It is possible for a child to identify themselves in that data, they simply need to know their score which in the case of both tests the scores are freely available. I see no reason why this would be in any way detrimental. I could identify my son on the data published by kcc, he was one of "less than 5" that scored his particular score and has in no way caused any problems for us to be able to see where he falls within the data set.

Would you be able to tell me how many of the people who passed the Dover test but failed the kent test, had a kent test score had a kent test score in the following ranges please. Its ok to say"less than 5" if the number is low enough that it could potentially identify a child.
preferably id like a full breakdown into each score as with the data for the kent test provided on your website with less than 5 for each score to avoid a person being identified.

if you feel this could still identify a person, the number falling within the following ranges would suffice:
280 or lower
between 281 and 290
between 291 and 300
between 301 and 310
between 311 and 320
between 321 and 330
between 331 and 340
341+

Yours sincerely,

Claire Thornton

 

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Dear Ms Thornton
   
Thank you for your email which we received on 9 January 2020.
 
 
Kent County Council (KCC) acknowledges your request for information, which
we will consider under the relevant legislation (Freedom of Information
Act 2000 and/or Environmental Information Regulations 2004).
 
Assuming KCC holds this information, we will endeavour to supply the data
to you as soon as possible but no later than 6 February 2020 (20 working
days from date of receipt).
 
We will advise you as soon as possible if we do not hold this information
or if there are exemptions to be considered and/or any costs for providing
the information.
 
Please quote our reference - 11335177 in any communication regarding this
particular request.
 

Please see our [1]Information Rights Privacy Notice for details of how we
process your personal data.

 
Yours sincerely
 
 
Kelly Leeson
Strategic and Corporate Services
 
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Dear Ms Thornton
 
Thank you for your request for information received on 9 January 2020.
 
Please find attached our response to your request.
 
Yours sincerely
 
 
Carly Wattle
Information Access Officer
Strategic and Corporate Services
+443000417061

 
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Dear Kent County Council,

thank you very much for your response, please can you clarify which of the two dover tests the data refers to since i believe the girls and boys tests are different tests with different exam boards. I am particularly interested in Dover boys.
Could i also have the same data for the harvey grammar school, please.

Yours sincerely,

Claire Thornton

Dear Ms Thornton

Thank you for your email, which I have passed on to the relevant team to
deal with in regards to the below question:

thank you very much for your response, please can you clarify which of the
two dover tests the data refers to since i believe the girls and boys
tests are different tests with different exam boards. I am particularly
interested in Dover boys. 

To clarify, this is now being dealt with as a follow-on query to your
previous request, under the same reference ' 11335177.

The FOIA does not legislate for follow on request and therefore there is
no statutory timeframe for us to respond within. However, I will endeavour
to supply the data to you as soon as possible but no later than 5th March.

The following question will be dealt with as a new request:

Could i also have the same data for the harvey grammar school, please.

I will acknowledge this separately very shortly.

Kind regards

Kelly Leeson

Information Access Officer

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Dear Kent County Council,

thank you very much for your response, please can you clarify which of the
two dover tests the data refers to since i believe the girls and boys
tests are different tests with different exam boards. I am particularly
interested in Dover boys.
Could i also have the same data for the harvey grammar school, please.

Yours sincerely,

Claire Thornton

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Dear Ms Thornton
   
Thank you for your email which we received on 6 February 2020.
 
 
Kent County Council (KCC) acknowledges your request for information, which
we will consider under the relevant legislation (Freedom of Information
Act 2000 and/or Environmental Information Regulations 2004).
 
Assuming KCC holds this information, we will endeavour to supply the data
to you as soon as possible but no later than 5 March 2020 (20 working days
from date of receipt).
 
We will advise you as soon as possible if we do not hold this information
or if there are exemptions to be considered and/or any costs for providing
the information.
 
Please quote our reference - 12009233 in any communication regarding this
particular request.
 

Please see our [1]Information Rights Privacy Notice for details of how we
process your personal data.

 
Yours sincerely
 
 
Kelly Leeson
Strategic and Corporate Services
 
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Dear Ms Thornton
 
Thank you for your request for information received on 6 February 2020.
 
Please find attached our response to your request.
Yours sincerely,
 
Kelly Leeson 
Information Access Officer
 
NOTE: Please do not edit the subject line when replying to this email.

Dear Kent County Council,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Kent County Council's handling of my FOI request '11+ and Kent grammar school entrance tests'.

How many children have sat both the dover test and the Shepway test for each
year, for the past 10 years –
As far as KCC are aware, no children have sat both tests in the last three admissions
rounds (including the current one) but as the schools arrange their own test, we may
not have complete information. Please contact the relevant schools for further
information

This is factually incorrect and id like a internal review. The schools should have notified KCC of all children who sat their tests and the outcome and the two lists should easily be checkable to show that at least one of the children who could have sat both tests due to the fact the harvey grammar had a sitting in the afternoon had opportunity to sit both tests. I will not disclose the outcome of the tests as it will allow kcc to identify the child concerned but i would like accurate linked anonymous data to show the number of children who sat both tests.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/1...

Yours faithfully,

Claire Thornton

Kent County Council

Dear Ms Thornton

 

Thank you for your email. I understand you are challenging Kent County
Council's answer to one of the questions you raised in your 3rd November
request for information.

 

You asked - “How many children have sat both the Dover test and the
Shepway test for each year, for the past 10 years?”

 

We answered - “As far as KCC are aware, no children have sat both tests in
the last three admissions rounds (including the current one), but as the
schools arrange their own test, we may not have complete information.
Please contact the relevant schools for further information.”

 

You have indicated that you believe this to be factually incorrect, on the
assumption that both schools must have sent KCC a list each year of all
the children they have tested on any date, which we could compare to
produce the figure you are looking for. This is not correct.

 

Firstly, KCC does not hold 10 years’ data, because Shepway did not
introduce their test until the 2014 Admissions round (the first test in
2013). Our initial response used the data from our current system Synergy.
It confirms that no children took both tests, which is to be expected,
given that they are administered on the same day. As part of the review, a
colleague has now researched the archived records from Impulse, our
previous admissions database, which dates back to the 2012 Admissions
round. This also indicates that no children show as having taken both
Dover and Shepway tests. We do not hold data prior to this date.

 

The schools administer their own tests, and this is why our initial
response referred you back to the schools themselves. We do not believe
either school has offered their own test late to a child who took the
other school’s test on the shared date, but we do not hold information to
confirm one way or the other and therefore cannot answer definitively on
the schools’ behalf.

 

If you remain unhappy with this response and consider KCC has not complied
with legislation, you can appeal to the Information Commissioner, who
oversees compliance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Details of
what you need to do, should you wish to pursue this course of action, are
available from the Information Commissioner’s website
[1]https://ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/, or you can phone the ICO Helpline
on 0303 123 1113.

 

Best regards

 

Caroline Dodge | Information Governance Manager | Information Resilience &
Transparency Team | Kent County Council | Room 2.87, Sessions House,
Maidstone, ME14 1XQ | Phone 03000 416033 | Fax 03000 420303 |  [2]Access
to Information | Please see our [3]Information Rights Privacy Notice for
details of how we process your personal data in line with our data
protection obligations |  

 

 

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