Working Timetable for 710 training

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Dear Transport for London,

Full start of WA training next week to run a single or pair of 710s Tue to Thurs from 0940-2328 between passenger services, between Enfield and London Fields. The unit/units then stable at Chingford Thurs night-Tues morning and are used for static training on Mondays. This will be the basis of the programme for its entirety. Units can only run as 8 or 4. No splitting/coupling.

Please provide the Tuesday to Thursday working timetable that includes these scheduled training journeys.

Yours faithfully,

Philip Ridley

FOI, Transport for London

 

Dear Mr Ridley

 

TfL Ref: 3170-1920

 

Thank you for your request received by Transport for London (TfL) on 19
January 2020 asking for information about Working Timetables (WTTs).

 

Your request will be processed in accordance with the requirements of the
Freedom of Information Act and our information access policy. 

 

A response will be sent to you by 14 February 2020.

 

We publish a substantial range of information on our website on subjects
including operational performance, contracts, expenditure, journey data,
governance and our financial performance. This includes data which is
frequently asked for in FOI requests or other public queries. Please check
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We will publish anonymised versions of requests and responses on the
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In the meantime, if you would like to discuss this matter further, please
do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely

 

Sara Thomas

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London

 

 

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FOI, Transport for London

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Dear Mr Ridley

 

TfL Ref: 3170-1920

 

Thank you for your request received by Transport for London (TfL) on 19
January 2020 asking for information about Working Timetables (WTTs).

 

Your request has been considered in accordance with the requirements of
the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act and our information access policy. 
You asked:

 

Working Timetable for 710 training : Full start of WA training next week
to run a single or pair of  710s Tue to Thurs from 0940-2328 between
passenger services,  between Enfield and London Fields. The unit/units
then stable at Chingford Thurs night-Tues morning and are used for static
training on Mondays. This will be the basis of the programme for its
entirety. Units can only run as 8 or 4. No splitting/coupling.

 

Please provide the Tuesday to Thursday working timetable that includes
these scheduled training journeys.

 

Unfortunately we do not hold the information you have requested.  Neither
London Overground nor Network Rail publish WTTs for short term planning
alterations as this would be too voluminous for us to undertake each week.

 

Please see the attached information sheet for details of your right to
appeal.

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

Sara Thomas

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London

 

 

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Dear Transport for London,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Transport for London's handling of my FOI request 'Working Timetable for 710 training'.

The reason we are interested in these timetables is that they demonstrate that a shuttle to London Fields can occur off-peak, we want to see if one could occur on peak. Cheshunt needs an additional 2tph peak and we have previously proposed a London Fields shuttle but this was rejected, out of hand so it seems.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/w...

Yours faithfully,

Philip Ridley

FOI, Transport for London

Thank you for your request for an internal review which was received on 3 March 2020.

You have stated that you are dissatisfied with the handling of your request for information under the Freedom of Information Act.

The review will be conducted by an internal review panel in accordance with TfL’s Internal Review Procedure, which is available via the following URL:

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/internal-revie...

Every effort will be made to provide you with a response by 1 April 2020. However, if the review will not be completed by this date, we will contact you and notify you of the revised response date as soon as possible.

Yours sincerely

Emma Flint
Principal Information Access Advisor
FOI Case Management Team
General Counsel

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FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Ridley

I am contacting you regarding your request for an internal review concerning the response provided to FOI-3170-1920. Following your email of 3 March 2020 a review has been carried out by an Independent Review Panel (‘the Panel’) consisting of individuals who were not involved in the handling of your request.

The Panel can confirm that the response provide to FOI-3170-1920 is correct and we do not hold the information that you seek. As advised the WTT's that you require are not published for short term alterations. This is because it would be an unreasonable volume of work to continuously undertake on a weekly basis.

The Panel appreciate that the above response will come as a disappointment to you, however we hope that we have provided a better clarity in regards to the information you requested in FOI-3170-1920. If you are dissatisfied with the internal review actions to date please do not hesitate to contact me or alternately you can refer the matter to the independent authority responsible for enforcing the Freedom of Information Act, at the following address:

Information Commissioner’s Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire SK9 5AF

A complaint form is also available on the ICO’s website (www.ico.org.uk).

Yours sincerely

Emma Flint
Principal Information Access Adviser
FOI Case Management Team
Transport for London
[TfL request email]

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Dear FOI,

Given that the slots are the same each week, all I need is an example WTT that is representative of a week where the maximum training train paths are used. Please provide.

Yours sincerely,

Philip Ridley

FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Ridley

 

Our ref: FOI-0068-2021/GH

 

Thank you for your request received by Transport for London (TfL) on 10
April 2020 asking for a Working Timetable for 710 training.

 

The Government has announced a series of measures to tackle the
Coronavirus. It is essential for London, and in particular for all
critical workers, that we continue to provide a safe transport network
that enables them to make the journeys they need to.

 

In current circumstances, we are not able to answer FOI requests readily
and we ask that you please do not make a request to us at present.

 

Answering FOI requests will require the use of limited resources and the
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any event, please note that our response time will be affected by the
current situation and so you may wish to reconsider the timing of this
request. Please notify us as soon as possible if you would like to
withdraw your request at the current time.

 

Should you wish to proceed with the request we will aim to issue a
response by 12 May 2020 in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act
2000 and our information access policy. We publish a substantial range of
information on our website on subjects including operational performance,
contracts, expenditure, journey data, governance and our financial
performance. This includes data which is frequently asked for in FOI
requests or other public queries. Please check
[1]http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transpar... to see if this helps you.

 

We will publish anonymised versions of requests and responses on the
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a copy of the response to you before it is published on our website.

 

In the meantime, if you would like to discuss this matter further, please
do not hesitate to contact me.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Graham Hurt

FOI Case Officer

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London

 

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Dear FOI,

I wish to proceed, and I am happy to agree an extension of time.

Yours sincerely,

Philip Ridley

FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Ridley

 

Our ref: FOI-0068-2021/GH

 

Thank you for your request received by Transport for London (TfL) on 10
April 2020 asking for a Working Timetable for 710 training.

 

Your request has been considered under the requirements of the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 and our information access policy. I can confirm that
we do hold some of the information you require.

 

The working timetable (WTT) can be found on the network rail website which
shows the movement of all trains, freight and empty coaching stock. The
timetable is produced for a line of route e.g. Gospel Oak to Barking on
the London Overground and are not for a specific type of train fleet.
Further details can be found via the following link 
[1]https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-th...

 

The WTT will also include a unique identification code for each train.
This usually starts with the class of train, so for example if you want to
know if there is a planned 710 train running you can look for the unique
identification code in the WTT itself for a code start with '710'.

 

Hope this provides clarity on how timetable is produced. Please note the
WTT is produced and published by Network Rail.

 

If this is not the information you are looking for, or if you are unable
to access it for some reason, please do not hesitate to contact me.

 

The Government has announced a series of measures to tackle the
Coronavirus. It is essential for London, and in particular for all
critical workers, that we continue to provide a safe transport network
that enables them to make the journeys they need to.

 

In current circumstances, we are not able to answer FOI requests readily
and we ask that you please do not make a request to us at present.

 

Answering FOI requests will require the use of limited resources and the
attention of staff who could be supporting other essential activity. In
any event, please note that our response time will be affected by the
current situation.

 

If you are not satisfied with this response please see the attached
information sheet for details of your right to appeal.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Graham Hurt

 

FOI Case Officer

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London

 

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Dear Transport for London,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Transport for London's handling of my FOI request 'Working Timetable for 710 training'.

I could not see any driver training trips in the LB timetable. They probably appear on a short term planning notice, which is a supplementry timetable circular. Please provide all supplementary timetable circulars that include driver training paths on West Anglia routes towards Enfield Town, Cheshunt and Chingford.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/w...

Yours faithfully,

Philip Ridley

FOI, Transport for London

Thank you for your request for an internal review which was received on 2 May 2020.

You have stated that you are dissatisfied with the handling of your request for information under the Freedom of Information Act.

The review will be conducted by an internal review panel in accordance with TfL’s Internal Review Procedure, which is available via the following URL:

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/internal-revie...

Every effort will be made to provide you with a response by 2 June 2020. However, if the review will not be completed by this date, we will contact you and notify you of the revised response date as soon as possible.

Yours sincerely

Lee Hill
Information Access Manager
FOI Case Management Team
General Counsel

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FOI, Transport for London

 

Dear Mr Ridley,

 

I am writing to you further to your request for an internal review
received by us on 2 May.

 

Your request asked for “an example WTT that is representative of a week
where the maximum training train paths are used” in relation to London
Overground services. The response you were issued with directed you to
published material which showed working timetables as operated by the
service and your request for a review centred around the fact this did not
appear to include driver training information and you felt that the
information may appear on a short term planning notice, or a supplementary
timetable circular.

 

The internal review has therefore focused on this matter.

 

The review found that London Overground does not operate with a consistent
"traffic circular" arrangement. Scheduling of training paths is dictated
by the needs of the Class 710 training schedule, rather than via holding
fixed paths for an indeterminate period. When paths are required, they are
created and shared to stakeholders as part of the Short Term Planning
process. As you can appreciate, right now the training programme is
subject to even more short notice delay and alteration which makes it even
harder to provide a ‘representative’ picture.

 

This means that there is no representative example of "planned" training
paths within a timetable that can be shared and so the review has found
that you should have been advised that this information was not held. I
apologise for any inconvenience caused by this.

 

There might be examples from an "ad hoc" perspective of a day when
training paths were utilised, however these would vary significantly and
would not provide a representative picture. Due to the inconsistent nature
of these, there may also be resource constraints that would make collating
any such information to be particularly burdensome.

 

I also note that the wider question here is about running shuttle services
between Cheshunt and London Fields. While we cannot comment on this
particular service proposition, it is worth noting that the current
challenges of increasing service frequency on the West Anglia route have
been articulated in various ways including public meetings. I understand
you are already in contact with operational colleagues on this matter and
suggest this method of engagement might be more fruitful than submitting
speculative FOI requests for information, particularly at this time, as we
are unable to comment specifically on the matter that is of most
importance to you.

 

If you are dissatisfied with the internal review actions to date you can
refer the matter to the independent authority responsible for enforcing
the FOI Act, at the following address:

 

Information Commissioner’s Office

Wycliffe House

Water Lane

Wilmslow

Cheshire SK9 5AF

 

A complaint form is also available on the ICO’s website
([1]www.ico.org.uk).

 

Yours sincerely

 

Lee Hill

Information Access Manager

FOI Case Management Team

Transport for London

[2][TfL request email]

 

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Dear FOI,

The 710 training trains have been running pretty much the same pattern every day, by now they should have settled down there is no reason why you shouldn't provide a weekly schedule for a broadly representative week with the proviso that they often change at last minute, and it is unacceptable to characterise my FOI as "speculative". Please re-consider providing a timetabling bulletin for a recent week of training trains that is broadly representative of how they have been running, we only need something broadly consistent to understand turn-back times, etc.
Yours sincerely,

Philip Ridley

FOI, Transport for London

Dear Mr Ridley,

 

TfL Ref: FOI-0319-2021

 

Thank you for your request received by Transport for London (TfL) on 1^st
June 2020 asking for information about 710 training timetables.

 

Your request will be processed in accordance with the requirements of the
Freedom of Information Act and our information access policy. 

 

A response will be sent to you by 29^th June 2020.

 

We will publish anonymised versions of requests and responses on the
[1]www.tfl.gov.uk website. We will not publish your name and we will send
a copy of the response to you before it is published on our website.

 

In the meantime, if you would like to discuss this matter further, please
do not hesitate to contact me.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

David Wells

FOI Case Officer

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London

 

 

 

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FOI, Transport for London

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Dear Mr Ridley,

 

TfL Ref: FOI-0319-2021

 

Thank you for your request received by Transport for London (TfL) on 1^st
June 2020 asking for information about 710 training timetables.

Your request has been considered in accordance with the requirements of
the Freedom of Information Act and our information access policy. 

 

Note that due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic the Class 710 training
programme has been paused until a safe method of in-cab training can be
agreed with unions. The pause to all in-cab training is a wider industry
issue that is affecting all operators. Further to this, all driver
diagrams are being re-worked to ensure social distancing can be maintained
at turn-around and in-service crew relief points.

It is not the case, therefore, that patterns have “settled down”. As
London Overground moves forward its Class 710 driver training it will need
to be entirely re-programmed to accommodate social distancing requirements
and different ways of working. As such ,there is at this moment in time no
“representative week”. However, that said, we can provide you with the
following example from the week commencing 3^rd February 2020 when driver
training was at a fairly steady beat rate:

 

 

Class 710 Training TPU Brief

W/C 3 February, WA 710 workings are planned as below:

Planned Tuesday

3U01 09+40 Enfield to London Fields

3U02 10+11 London Fields to Enfield

3U03 11+10 Enfield to Liv St (MThFO date split)

3U03 11+10 Enfield to Liv St (TWO date split)

3U04 11+51 Liv St to Enfield (MThFO date split)

3U04 11+52 Liv St to Enfield (TWO date split)

3U05 13+10 Enfield to London Fields

3U06 13+41 London Fields to Enfield

3U07 14+40 Enfield to London Fields

3U08 15+11 London Fields to Enfield

3U09 16+40 Enfield to London Fields

3U10 17+18 London Fields to Enfield

3U11 17+54 Enfield to London Fields

3U12 18+26 London Fields to Enfield

3U13 20+10 Enfield to London Fields

3U14 20+41 London Fields to Enfield

3U15 21+25 Enfield to London Fields

3U16 21+57 London Fields to Enfield

3U17 22+31 Enfield to London Fields

3U18 23+01 London Fields to Enfield

Planned Wednesday

3U01 09+40 Enfield to London Fields

3U02 10+11 London Fields to Enfield

3U03 11+10 Enfield to Liv St (MThFO date split)

3U03 11+10 Enfield to Liv St (TWO date split)

3U04 11+51 Liv St to Enfield (MThFO date split)

3U04 11+52 Liv St to Enfield (TWO date split)

3U05 13+10 Enfield to London Fields

3U06 13+41 London Fields to Enfield

3U07 14+40 Enfield to London Fields

3T08 15+11 London Fields to Chingford CS

Planned Thursday

3T00 05+50 Chingford CS to Liv St – Transit move (ARL)

3U00 06+30 Liv St to Enfield – Transit move (ARL)

3U01 09+40 Enfield to London Fields

3U02 10+11 London Fields to Enfield

3U03 11+10 Enfield to Liv St (MThFO date split)

3U03 11+10 Enfield to Liv St (TWO date split)

3U04 11+51 Liv St to Enfield (MThFO date split)

3U04 11+52 Liv St to Enfield (TWO date split)

3U05 13+10 Enfield to London Fields

3U06 13+41 London Fields to Enfield

3U07 14+40 Enfield to London Fields

3U08 15+11 London Fields to Enfield

3U09 16+40 Enfield to London Fields

3U10 17+18 London Fields to Enfield

3U11 17+54 Enfield to London Fields

3U12 18+26 London Fields to Enfield

3U13 20+10 Enfield to London Fields

3U14 20+41 London Fields to Enfield

3U15 21+25 Enfield to London Fields

3U16 21+57 London Fields to Enfield

3U17 22+31 Enfield to London Fields

3U18 23+01 London Fields to Enfield

Planned Friday

3U09 16+40 Enfield to London Fields

3U10 17+18 London Fields to Enfield

3U11 17+54 Enfield to London Fields

3U12 18+26 London Fields to Enfield

3U13 20+10 Enfield to London Fields

3U14 20+41 London Fields to Enfield

3U15 21+25 Enfield to London Fields

3U16 21+57 London Fields to Enfield

3U17 (ThO) 22+31 Enfield to London Fields

3T14 (ThO) 23+01 London Fields to Chingford CS

Please note that these are auto-call paths and should be cancelled if not
operating to avoid possible ARS issues.

Unit diagram IL 650/651 2x710/1

These are just placeholder numbers, please advise any preferences for
something else.

Note – BT (ROG?) will be delivering the 8-car to Enfield before 0940
Tuesday which we do not have visibility of and sits outside of ARL TPU.

Note – BT to prep unit, 710 team aware.

Consequential Passenger Amendments

These are in place from Mon 13/01, includes changes for PM training which
is not operating to ensure consistency and minimise errors. These will be
includes in final driver diagram and Sheila upload. TfL aware.

2U36 1130 Liverpool Street to Enfield (Mon, Thu Fri Only) – does not stop
at Cambridge Heath and London Fields. Retimed to run 2 minutes earlier
between Hackney Downs and Seven Sisters. Public time at destination +5.

2T44 1133 Liverpool Street to Chingford (Mon-Fri) – runs 30 seconds later
Hackney Downs to Chingford. Public time at destination +5.

2D54 1822 Liverpool Street to Cheshunt (Mon-Fri) – runs 1 minute later
Hackney Downs to Seven Sisters, 2 minutes later Seven Sisters to Cheshunt.
Public time at destination +5.

2D67 2231 Cheshunt to Liverpool Street (Mon-Fri) - does not stop at
Cambridge Heath and London Fields. Retimed to run 1 early Bethnal Green to
Liverpool Street. Public time at destination +5.

2U59 1651 Enfield to Liverpool Street (TWThO) – does not stop at Cambridge
Heath and London Fields. Retimed to depart Hackney Downs later and run FL
to Bethnal Green and arrive Liverpool Street later.

Additionally, 5V60 11+17 Chingford to Ilford “Q path” is cancelled due to
being used by 3U03/04.

 

 

If this is not the information you are looking for please do not hesitate
to contact me.

 

On a more general matter, please note that the Government has announced a
series of measures to tackle the coronavirus. It is essential for London
that we continue to provide a safe transport network for essential
journeys.

 

In current circumstances, we are not able to answer FOI requests readily
and we ask that you please do not make a request to us at present.

 

Answering FOI requests will require the use of limited resources and the
attention of staff who could be supporting other essential activity. In
any event, please note that our response time will be affected by the
current situation.

 

Please see the attached information sheet for details of your right to
appeal as well as information on copyright and what to do if you would
like to re-use any of the information we have disclosed.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

David Wells

FOI Case Officer

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London

 

 

 

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Dear FOI,

Thank you very much for these patterns, they will help our transport group see whether they indicate that peak London Fields shuttles are a possibility. This is exactly the information we needed

Hopefully the Unions see sense before their moronic requests for 2m distance between colleagues and passengers collapse the entire public transport industry, resulting in mass redundancies and economic collapse with no workers left for Unions to represent. They obviously have not carried out any risk assessment of the impact that social distancing will have on job losses and have not been listening to the news shows / podcast on https://ukcolumn.org.uk that expose COVID-19 to be a total hoax that is being used by government to re-purpose the economy and government away from serving the people towards Orwellian micro-management and debt servicing for the banking cartel.

The Unions, as with the Cabinet Office are obviously also not listening to The 4 nations public health HCID group and The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) who have both been of the opinion since March 19th that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID due to amongst other things more information being available about mortality rates (low overall).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequ...

Yours sincerely,

Philip Ridley