Vera Baird QC, Northumbria Police PCC and her Twitter comment on the £10k Yorkshire PCC logo ...

Martin McGartland (Ataliwyd y cyfrif) made this Rhyddid Gwybodaeth request to North Yorkshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner

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Martin McGartland (Ataliwyd y cyfrif)

Dear North Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner,Vera Baird ‏

Vera Baird QC, Northumbria PCC has stated following on her Twitter page;

@VeraBaird 14 Aug

"My Northumbria Police & Crime Commissioner logo designed 4 nowt by my great staff. N.Yorks Tory paid £10K public cash for hers, probably to G4S"

I would just like to ask, under FOIA 2000, if the above is correct.

I would also be obliged if you could supply all recorded information you hold concerning logo design, the costs etc

Kind regards

Martin McGartland

North Yorkshire PCC,

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[1]PCC logo 2013

 

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Gadawodd Jeff Hayward anodiad ()

What Hypocrisy by Vera Baird QC, PPC - Corruption is corruption - this is what Ms Baird wrote on subject of police corruption just a month before she was elected as Northumbria Police PCC;

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/vera-bai...

Why then is Vera Baird turning a blind-eye to very serious corruption at Northumbria Police in the Martin McGartland case?

This is Vera's views/position concerning police corruption,written in her own words,

Learning lessons from Hillsborough and Orgreave,Posted: 22/10/2012 15:12

Most of us are pleased to see police on the beat; we don't flinch when we come into contact with them, as people do in many other countries. But our high regard makes it essential that police mistakes and worse are urgently corrected so that healthy links can be maintained with those who guard us, sometimes at huge personal cost, as we so sadly saw with the recent brutal murder of two police officers in Manchester.

I know that most police officers understand the need for public consent and support and that this requires them to have exacting standards. Most police officers behave blamelessly in their duties.

But we do them and society no favours if we flinch from honestly assessing controversial events. The other side of the police has been exposed by the shocking revelations about Hillsborough, both in failing to prevent a disaster waiting to happen and later dishonestly concealing the truth.

However, convictions for police misconduct are rare. Allegations are usually about dishonesty in investigating crime and rarely go far, even after strong criticism from the appeal court in freeing a fitted-up defendant. Perhaps acquitting the defendant looks like justice enough or juries may shrink from finding that a whole investigation is bent. It is a scary prospect. If we have to convict the police, wholesale, of crime, on whom shall we rely?

Hillsborough is about seven miles from Orgreave where striking miners met the South Yorkshire police on a mass picket in 1984, leading to a famous riot trial at Sheffield Crown Court when about the same number of men who died at Hillsborough were on that occasion saved from the consequences of what the police did.
Just as at Hillsborough, Orgreave had a "black propaganda" group of senior officers. At Hillsborough they censored comments and facts adverse to themselves but included comments critical of the fans.

At Orgreave, detectives concocted a scene of disorder so that constables could portray those arrested as engaging in a riot, an offence that, at that time commanded a life sentence.

A typical case was that of my client Mr M. After booking him into custody his two arresting officers took dictation from detectives about events that they hadn't actually seen.

For example, somebody stupidly stretched a rope across the road at 8.15am to snare a mounted policeman but it was rightly removed five minutes later. The two officers swore on oath in court that they had seen that although neither of them (nor Mr M) had arrived at Orgreave by that time. We repeatedly exposed similar lies until the case was dropped given the hopeless prospects for convictions on such false evidence. Yet there was no inquiry into Orgreave and no officer was prosecuted.

The loss of so many loved ones at Hillsborough is in a different league but the deceit at Orgreave would have banged up innocent men for many years. What is strikingly similar, apart from the corrupt tactics is that both were wrongs done to groups of men that officers thought they could discredit with impunity: "the enemy within" as Thatcher called the miners, and the stereotype of the drunken football fan respectively.

These events were over 20 years ago but there is a continuing dilemma about training police to work in effective teams and under command structures. That will require the development of loyalty, discipline and esprit de corps but can also produce a band of insiders with a vested interest in protecting their institution. They can tell themselves how bad for public confidence it would be if their force suffered a blow to its reputation, however right the blow.

The Tories also want to break police solidarity and morale by cutting pay and pensions so that experienced officers retire early to be replaced by Tesco-trained Superintendents and many of those who are left are deskilled and privatised. Low-paid and cheaply-trained officers on short-term contracts and payment by results will hardly bring an uplift in ethical standards or an enhanced commitment to serving the public.

Public services must remain public and free of obligation to shareholders if we are to see better commitment to the public. Perhaps as they come under increasing pressure both from the recent scandals and the Tory Government the police will finally realize how much they need public support not only to keep the peace but to maintain themselves as an institution and how less likely that support becomes when they cover up errors and blame victims.

Meanwhile, Police and Crime Commissioners, at least those who are not part of the police brotherhood themselves, will present a new possibility for the task of keeping the police efficient and close to those they serve. The task of sustaining policing with consent is best served by a good turnout at the elections in November. Commissioners could lead the way in pioneering better public involvement in policing, improving checks and balances and enhancing scrutiny.

Above all, we need to work together to encourage the police to succeed with the public rather than against them on their own. We owe it to those who lost their lives at Hillsborough and in Manchester to keep the best of our police service, constantly improve it together and root out bad practice.

Vera Baird is Labour's candidate for Northumbria Police Commissioner

Gadawodd Jeff Hayward anodiad ()

Vera Baird can talk,read this ...

What Hypocrisy by Vera Baird QC, PPC - Corruption is corruption - this is what Ms Baird wrote on subject of police corruption just a month before she was elected as Northumbria Police PCC;

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/vera-bai...

Why then is Vera Baird turning a blind-eye to very serious corruption at Northumbria Police in the Martin McGartland case?

This is Vera's views/position concerning police corruption,written in her own words,

Learning lessons from Hillsborough and Orgreave,Posted: 22/10/2012 15:12

Most of us are pleased to see police on the beat; we don't flinch when we come into contact with them, as people do in many other countries. But our high regard makes it essential that police mistakes and worse are urgently corrected so that healthy links can be maintained with those who guard us, sometimes at huge personal cost, as we so sadly saw with the recent brutal murder of two police officers in Manchester.

I know that most police officers understand the need for public consent and support and that this requires them to have exacting standards. Most police officers behave blamelessly in their duties.

But we do them and society no favours if we flinch from honestly assessing controversial events. The other side of the police has been exposed by the shocking revelations about Hillsborough, both in failing to prevent a disaster waiting to happen and later dishonestly concealing the truth.

However, convictions for police misconduct are rare. Allegations are usually about dishonesty in investigating crime and rarely go far, even after strong criticism from the appeal court in freeing a fitted-up defendant. Perhaps acquitting the defendant looks like justice enough or juries may shrink from finding that a whole investigation is bent. It is a scary prospect. If we have to convict the police, wholesale, of crime, on whom shall we rely?

Hillsborough is about seven miles from Orgreave where striking miners met the South Yorkshire police on a mass picket in 1984, leading to a famous riot trial at Sheffield Crown Court when about the same number of men who died at Hillsborough were on that occasion saved from the consequences of what the police did.
Just as at Hillsborough, Orgreave had a "black propaganda" group of senior officers. At Hillsborough they censored comments and facts adverse to themselves but included comments critical of the fans.

At Orgreave, detectives concocted a scene of disorder so that constables could portray those arrested as engaging in a riot, an offence that, at that time commanded a life sentence.

A typical case was that of my client Mr M. After booking him into custody his two arresting officers took dictation from detectives about events that they hadn't actually seen.

For example, somebody stupidly stretched a rope across the road at 8.15am to snare a mounted policeman but it was rightly removed five minutes later. The two officers swore on oath in court that they had seen that although neither of them (nor Mr M) had arrived at Orgreave by that time. We repeatedly exposed similar lies until the case was dropped given the hopeless prospects for convictions on such false evidence. Yet there was no inquiry into Orgreave and no officer was prosecuted.

The loss of so many loved ones at Hillsborough is in a different league but the deceit at Orgreave would have banged up innocent men for many years. What is strikingly similar, apart from the corrupt tactics is that both were wrongs done to groups of men that officers thought they could discredit with impunity: "the enemy within" as Thatcher called the miners, and the stereotype of the drunken football fan respectively.

These events were over 20 years ago but there is a continuing dilemma about training police to work in effective teams and under command structures. That will require the development of loyalty, discipline and esprit de corps but can also produce a band of insiders with a vested interest in protecting their institution. They can tell themselves how bad for public confidence it would be if their force suffered a blow to its reputation, however right the blow.

The Tories also want to break police solidarity and morale by cutting pay and pensions so that experienced officers retire early to be replaced by Tesco-trained Superintendents and many of those who are left are deskilled and privatised. Low-paid and cheaply-trained officers on short-term contracts and payment by results will hardly bring an uplift in ethical standards or an enhanced commitment to serving the public.

Public services must remain public and free of obligation to shareholders if we are to see better commitment to the public. Perhaps as they come under increasing pressure both from the recent scandals and the Tory Government the police will finally realize how much they need public support not only to keep the peace but to maintain themselves as an institution and how less likely that support becomes when they cover up errors and blame victims.

Meanwhile, Police and Crime Commissioners, at least those who are not part of the police brotherhood themselves, will present a new possibility for the task of keeping the police efficient and close to those they serve. The task of sustaining policing with consent is best served by a good turnout at the elections in November. Commissioners could lead the way in pioneering better public involvement in policing, improving checks and balances and enhancing scrutiny.

Above all, we need to work together to encourage the police to succeed with the public rather than against them on their own. We owe it to those who lost their lives at Hillsborough and in Manchester to keep the best of our police service, constantly improve it together and root out bad practice.

Vera Baird is Labour's candidate for Northumbria Police Commissioner

Morris, Emma,

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Dear Mr McGartland

 

I write in connection with your request for information which was received
by the Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner for North Yorkshire on
the 9^th September 2013, as detailed below:

 

Vera Baird QC, Northumbria PCC has stated following on her Twitter page;

 

@VeraBaird 14 Aug

 

"My Northumbria Police & Crime Commissioner logo designed 4 nowt by my
great staff. N.Yorks Tory paid £10K public cash for hers, probably to G4S"

 

I would just like to ask, under FOIA 2000, if the above is correct.

 

I would also be obliged if you could supply all recorded information you
hold concerning logo design, the costs etc

 

Your request will now be considered in accordance with the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 (the Act).  Your request will be dealt with by the
Legal Services Department, which serves North Yorkshire Police and the
Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner for North Yorkshire.

Should you have any queries concerning this matter, please write quoting
the reference number 426.2013-14.

Kind Regards

Emma Morris

Police Lawyer (Civil Disclosure)

Solicitor

Legal Services Department

 

NOT PROTECTIVELY MARKED

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Gadawodd Martin McGartland (Ataliwyd y cyfrif) anodiad ()

Vera Baird and her broken promise - Northumbria Police Corruption in the Martin McGartland case

Read Vera's story on Police corruption, as far as I'm concerned she has a Brass Neck ... corruption is corruption no matter if its a corrupt MP, Cop, Solicitor etc;

Your above link is broken, here it is;
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/vera-bai...

Martin McGartland (Ataliwyd y cyfrif)

Dear Morris, Emma,

Would be obliged to hear from you concerning this request.

Yours sincerely,

Martin McGartland

Morris, Emma,

Classification: PROTECT

Dear Mr McGartland

 

Further to your email below, I confirm your request is currently being
processed and I will provide you with a substantive response in due
course.

 

Please note the deadline for a response to your request is the 7th October
2013.

 

Please let me know if you have any further queries.

 

Kind Regards

 

Emma Morris

Police Lawyer (Civil Disclosure)

Solicitor

Legal Services Department

 

 

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Martin McGartland (Ataliwyd y cyfrif)

Dear Morris, Emma,

Thanks for the update.

Yours sincerely,

Martin McGartland

Martin McGartland (Ataliwyd y cyfrif)

Dear Morris, Emma,

The deadline for a response to my request was the 7th October 2013. Please can you deal with this request.

Thank you,

Martin McGartland

Martin McGartland (Ataliwyd y cyfrif)

Dear Morris, Emma,

Can you please supply me with a reply and stop ignoring my correspondence and also breaking the law. By law you are required to deal with a request within 20 working days.

If I do not hear from you within the next 7 days I will make a complaint to the ICO. I hope that this won't be necessary.

Yours sincerely,

Martin McGartland

Morris, Emma,

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Dear Mr McGartland

 

Please accept my apologies for the delay in providing you with a response
to your request.  I hope to send this through to you shortly.

 

Please let me know if you have any queries.

 

Kind Regards

 

Emma Morris

Police Lawyer (Civil Disclosure)

Solicitor

Legal Services

 

 

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Gadawodd Paul Saunderson anodiad ()

Julia Mulligan, North Yorkshire Police & Crime Commissioner, owns and runs her own marketing firm.

One wonders if it was her firm that got the contract for 10K.

Martin McGartland (Ataliwyd y cyfrif)

Dear Morris, Emma,

Can you please explain reason/s for such a long delay in dealing with such a straightforward request?

You will see that the following has been posted today on this FOI request page;

"Paul Saunderson left an annotation (16 November 2013)

Julia Mulligan, North Yorkshire Police & Crime Commissioner, owns and runs her own marketing firm.

One wonders if it was her firm that got the contract for 10K."

Sixteen Hands Ltd ; http://www.forwardladies.com/members/dir... - www.sixteenhands.co.uk under FOIA can you also confirm if Sixteen Hands Ltd and or any other company that Julia Mulligan is involved with, connected to have received any payments relating to the North Yorkshire PCC logo or the design of it. If so, please supply all recorded information

Please would you now let me have your reply to my 7th September 2013 request which is long overdue; " ... I would also be obliged if you could supply all recorded
information you hold concerning logo design, the costs etc."

Yours sincerely,

Martin McGartland

Gadawodd Paul Saunderson anodiad ()

Julia Mulligan appears to be evading answering this request:

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/b...

Any guesses why?

Martin McGartland (Ataliwyd y cyfrif)

Dear Morris, Emma,

On the 6th November 2013 you wrote to me and stated; "Please accept my apologies for the delay in providing you with a response to your request. I hope to send this through to you shortly." However, I have still not had a reply nor have you dealt with my request. By law, this request should have been answered a long time ago.

Please write to me and explain reason/s for the delay in dealing with this request.

If this request is not dealt with within the next 7 days I can confirm that I will be making a complaint to the ICO.

Yours sincerely,

Martin McGartland

Martin McGartland (Ataliwyd y cyfrif)

#Dear Morris, Emma,

Please note that I am NOT requesting an Internal Review at this stage.

Yours sincerely,

Martin McGartland

Claire Askew,

2 Atodiad

Dear Mr McGartland

 

Please find attached our response to your Freedom of Information Act
request.

 

Yours sincerely

Claire Askew

Governance Support Officer

Independent Custody Visiting Scheme Administrator

 

Office of the Police & Crime Commissioner
for North Yorkshire
12 Granby Road | Harrogate | North Yorkshire | HG1 4ST
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Dear Mr McGartland

 

Please find attached our response to your Freedom of Information act
request.

 

Yours sincerely

Claire Askew

Governance Support Officer

Independent Custody Visiting Scheme Administrator

 

Office of the Police & Crime Commissioner
for North Yorkshire
12 Granby Road | Harrogate | North Yorkshire | HG1 4ST
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Martin McGartland (Ataliwyd y cyfrif)

Dear Claire Askew,

Please explain why it has taken you 3 months to deal with this request. You will be aware, by law, that FOIA requests should be dealt with within 20 working days.

I await your reply.

Yours sincerely,

Martin McGartland

Claire Askew,

Thank you for your email to the office of the Police and Crime
commissioner for North Yorkshire.

 

Unfortunately I am out of the office until Monday 16 December 2013, with
limited or no access to my emails.  If your matter is urgent please
contact the Police and Crime Commissioners office on
[email address] or telephone 01423 569 562.  Otherwise I
will respond to your email on my return.

 

Please note:  We are not the police.  In an emergency you should always
dial 999.  For all other enquiries and non-emergencies please dial 101.

Gadawodd Paul Saunderson anodiad ()

Producing an invoice - one sheet of paper - should be a five minute job.

What does Julia Mulligan have to hide here?

Claire Askew,

1 Atodiad

Dear Mr McGartland

Further to your email below, again please accept our sincere apologies for the delay in providing a response to your Freedom of Information Act request.

The information gathering exercise in order to provide you with a response was hindered time wise due to the member of staff who had originally been involved in the branding exercise having left the Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner.
Wherever possible we endeavour to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests within the 20 working days deadline however on this occasion it was not possible.

If you wish to pursue this matter further, your attention is drawn to the attached sheet which details your right of complaint.

Yours sincerely
Claire Askew
Governance Support Officer
Independent Custody Visiting Scheme Administrator

Office of the Police & Crime Commissioner
for North Yorkshire
12 Granby Road | Harrogate | North Yorkshire | HG1 4ST
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