Timeline for Recording Cycle Threshold (Ct) Values for rRT-PCR Positive Covid-19 Cases

J Grove made this Rhyddid Gwybodaeth request to Scottish Government

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Scottish Government Nid oedd gan y wybodaeth y gofynnwyd amdani.

Dear Scottish Government,

On what date is it recorded that a minister/ministers of the Scottish Government directed/instructed real time reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR) Test Centres to associate the Cycle Threshold (Ct) values with the positive test results for "Covid-19" (specifically the putative virus SARS-CoV-2) that are provided to the Scottish Government (and thence released to the public)?

Yours faithfully,

J Grove

Scottish Government

Our Reference: 202000087564
Your Reference: FOI - HSC - TRIAGE - Timeline for Recording Cycle
Threshold (Ct) Values for rRT-PCR Positive Covid-19 Cases - J Grove

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Dear Scottish Government,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Scottish Government's handling of my FOI request 'Timeline for Recording Cycle Threshold (Ct) Values for rRT-PCR Positive Covid-19 Cases'.

An Internal Review is requested on this FOISA 2002 request as The Scottish Government has not responded with the information that was asked for.

Given the importance of following “The Science" that is reported in daily “coronavirus updates" by First Minister Nicola Sturgeon (reporting that ceased on the BBC around middle of September 2020) then it should be the case that the scientific advice provided by the “scientific experts" to the Scottish Government will be translated into actual policy as regards testing.

Given that the UK parliament is receiving advice from experts such as Prof Christopher Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance, individuals who in Scotland may be “lobbyists" as defined by the Lobbying Act (Scotland) 2016, then it is in the public interest for the actions of The Scottish Government to be clear in the advice that it is receiving from advisers such as Professor Jason Leitch CBE. At this time it is in the public interest to identify how the scientific advice is being translated into actions on the part of Health Minister Jeane Freeman MSP.
Given the high number of deaths of very elderly patients in care homes during the initial pandemic, individuals who were excluded from hospital care, it is in the public interest to identify the Scottish Government's response to the supposed “second wave". A “dry wood" hypothesis made by some experts i.e. that the comparatively mind influenza season in 2019 meant that, sadly, lot of very vulnerable elderly patients were susceptable to novel viral infections. As many of these elderly individuals died in isolation without the love and support of their close family then history may show that the actions imposed for the “second wave” may be adding insult to injury.

Ministers in the Scottish Government will be aware of the recent speech given by Desmond Swayne MP in the House of Commons calling for a greater understanding of the Covid-19 virus and also calling for the two main government advisers (Whitty and Vallance) to be sacked for misleading the public with dubious predictions of future exponential growth of the “pandemic".

The Scottish government could be responsible for encouraging and fuelling a public panic based on a “casedemic" rather than a true pandemic, with “cases” being identified simply by virtue of high numbers of Polymerase Cycle Reaction Cycles (PCR) cycles being used which pick up traces of RNA (e.g. residual RNA from recovered infections).

Given that “SARS-Cov-2" does not appear to have met “Koch's Postulates" and it may be a combination of man-made viruses (e.g. genetically modified ZXC21 and/or ZC45 bat corona viruses) then it is in the public interest to see the date recorded that Jeane Freeman MSP instructed her department to request Ct values for each positive PCR test result.

What date is recorded for when the Health Minister of Scotland Jeane Freeman MSP requested Ct values for PCR test results? If no date is provided following this Internal Review then it can be reasonably presumed that the information does not exist and therefore no such action has been taken up to the time of this FOISA 2002 request.

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/t...

Yours faithfully,

J Grove

Scottish Government

Our Reference: 202000095265

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Dear Scottish Government,

Section 5.3 of the document "1_covid19-guidance-laboratories.pdf" provided details:

"Any positive result generated by a SARs CoV-2 assay that does not provide a CT or equivalent value AND does not differentiate between targets (e.g. Panther assay) will need to be confirmed using an alternative assay*"

Of even greater concern is that the work flow described in Appendix 2 states:

"The Ct/Cq values used to assess whether a positive result is weak/strong should be determined by the local verification work"

This shows that testing for SARS-Cov-2 in Scotland is generating "positives" where the Cycle Threshold (CT) is not recorded and even when the CT value is recorded there is not a definitive value that describes a "strong positive".

The Nobel Prize winning intentor of Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) Kary Mullis (1944-2019) had stated in interviews that PCR technology could be used for diagnostic tests but it is the interpretation of those tests that is key. Mullis pointed out that PCR technology had the potential to applify a single molecule of DNA.

Given that the document provided by The Scottish Government does not detail a date when all "COVID-19 positive" rRT-PCR rests will be associated with a CT value then it can be safely assumed that ministers such as Jeane Freeman have not made this demand (through the various departments and commissioning teams) of testing centres.

It can safely be assumed that the Scottish Government is complicit in perpetuating public fear based on a "casedemic" rather than a true epidemic or pandemic and it's claims to be "following The Science" are spurious.

This FOISA 2002 request can be closed by the Scottish Government "not having the information requested" if the Scottish Government do not provide the information that has been requested and which should be recorded on the Scottish Government's systems.

Yours faithfully,

J Grove

nss covid-19assaydevelop,

Good evening,

RE: your email dated 13^th October 2020.

We are unable to identify a specific question from your enquiry. We are
therefore unable to provide any information, as it is unclear what
information you are requesting at this time.

 

Kind Regards, 

The Antibody Evaluation Team
National Health Service (NHS) Scotland
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dangos adrannau a ddyfynnir

Dear nss covid-19assaydevelop,

The information asked for in this FOISA 2002 does not relate to serum antibody testing but specifically relates to the rRT-PCR testing assays that report a COVID "positive".

Information provided in an earlier response (links to information in the public domain) detailed that a "strong positive" in the rRT-PCR test was determined at a "local level", therefore it would appear that at the time of this request the Scottish Government is happy to accept positive test results that come from the exponential amplification of a single molecule of RNA using the invention of Kary Mullis.

The FOISA 2002 was "On what date is it recorded that a minister/ministers of the Scottish Government directed/instructed real time reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR) Test Centres to associate the Cycle Threshold (Ct) values with the positive test results for "Covid-19" (specifically the putative virus SARS-CoV-2) that are provided to the Scottish Government (and thence released to the public)?"

If no decision has been made by Jeanne Freeman MSP or any other minister to demand that Ct values are associated with positive test results then this request can be closed as "not having the information requested". If the Scottish Government do not respond to say that have not demanded Ct values with positive test results then clearly this request must be closed with a refusal to provide the information requested.

Either response would indicate that the Scottish Government are complicit in terrorising the public with a "casedemic" based on a dubious diagnostic test that does not even use an isolated virus as the reference standard.

Yours sincerely,

J Grove

Scottish Government

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Good afternoon
 
Please find attached the response to your request for a review of FOI
request 202000087564.
 
Best wishes
 
GWEN NICHOLSON
Head of Corporate Governance
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Dear Scottish Government,

Thanks for the comprehensive response following the Internal Review. This can now, obviously, be closed as the Scottish Government not having the information requested.

Yours faithfully,

J Grove