The Minute Fabricated in 2010

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Dear Local Government Ombudsmen,

Regarding the minute fabricated (incompetently) in 2010 by Nigel Karney, Deputy Chief Executive, about Tony and Mrs Redmond's holiday at public expense in 2005.

Purportedly this was based on written confirmation by the attendees of a meeting from which everybody else was excluded. Please provide copies of these three written statements.

Yours faithfully,

Mr R Smith

Gadawodd Trevor R Nunn anodiad ()

Mr Karney's first attempt at creating a meeting minute 5 years after the meeting took place.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/40...

Mr Karney's second attempt at creating a meeting minute 5 years after the meeting took place.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/42...

Gadawodd A Johnson anodiad ()

They confirm on the second attempt to get it right that it was based on on written confirmation by the attendees.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/42...

These are the attendees, take away those that were excluded and their should be a written statement from all the others including Mr Karney.

Present: Mr T Redmond (Chairman) Mrs P A Thomas (Vice Chairman) Ms A Abraham Mr J R White
In attendance: Mr N H Jones Mr N J Karney Mr M King Mr P MacMahon Mr D Nice (item 9) Mr A L Creech

Gadawodd Pauline Nunn anodiad ()

I would like any information you hold including emails
and letters to and from Pat Thomas over the last 5 years that would explain how, why and where she signed the minutes of the said meeting on the 20th June 2010 nearly 5 years after she retired together with any information you hold that would explain why the
said minutes were not signed earlier.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/re...

Authoritarians have an extreme contempt for facts as such, for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of the man who can fabricate it (Hannah Arendt: Origins of Totalitarianism).

Foi Officer, The Local Government and Social Care Ombudsman

Dear Mr Smith

Our ref: CS/10/113

This is to acknowledge receipt of your I request below received on 26 August. I will respond within the 20 working day target (which would be by 24 September 2010) or, if unable to do so, I will write to you again explaining why.

Yours sincerely

Hilary Pook
Communications & Records Manager | DL: 020 7217 4734 |
Local Government Ombudsman's office | 10th Floor |
Millbank Tower | Millbank | London | SW1P 4QP |
www.lgo.org.uk |

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Dear Foi Officer,

I wrote above "Please provide copies of these three written statements." May I amend that to all of the written statements, please?

Yours faithfully,
r smith

Gadawodd Trevor R Nunn anodiad ()

I think there should be four, Thomas, Abraham, White and Karney. Only these were present for the top secret Australian tour bit of the meeting. The bit which wasn't minuted or recorded as having taken place at all until more than 5 years later by the Secretary of the CLAE, Mr Karney.

Mr Karney also produce the document outlining Mr Redmond's Australian tour, also dated the same day as the meeting took place on the 8th March 2005.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/42...

As Thomas signed two different minutes recording the same 2005 event once in July 2010 and another in August 2010 there may well be two written statements from her.

Gadawodd Pauline Nunn anodiad ()

This may help explain things. I have just had a response to my FOI request.

Karney couldn't even remember if he was at the meeting or not. It looks like Ann Abraham was they only one who could remember anything specific.

Read all the correspondence to/from Pat Thomas.

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/43...

Foi Officer, The Local Government and Social Care Ombudsman

Dear Mr Smith

We need some clarification of your request. You refer to a minute "about Tony and Mrs Redmond's holiday at the public expense in 2005". We have no such minute. Can you clarify to what you are referring? Is it the minute authorising Mr Redmond's study tour of Australia in 2005, or some other document?

Yours sincerely

Hilary Pook
Communications & Records Manager | DL: 020 7217 4734 |
Local Government Ombudsman's office | 10th Floor |
Millbank Tower | Millbank | London | SW1P 4QP |
www.lgo.org.uk |

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Dear Foi Officer,

Thank you for your response. It is the minute produced by Nigel Karney in 2010 "authorising" Tony Redmond's "study" tour in 2005 to be at public expense. This is the "study" tour during which Mrs Redmond (who was with Tony Redmond) was on holiday at all times, and Tony Redmond was stated as being on holiday and personal business, as well as "self-improving" (Nigel Karney's term) at public expense, by Nigel Karney in 2005.

I hope that this has clarified the question.

I am now wondering how many minutes were fabricated in 2010!

Yours sincerely,

r smith

Foi Officer, The Local Government and Social Care Ombudsman

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Dear Mr Smith

I attach a letter in response to your request, along with all the written statements.

Yours sincerely

Hilary Pook
Communications & Records Manager | DL: 020 7217 4734 |
Local Government Ombudsman's office | 10th Floor |
Millbank Tower | Millbank | London | SW1P 4QP |
www.lgo.org.uk |

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