Rolling stock

David banks made this Rhyddid Gwybodaeth request to Transport for London

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Gwrthodwyd y cais gan Transport for London.

Dear Transport for London,
Have you any data on 1938 tube carriages and motors and bogies please

Yours faithfully,
David banks

FOI, Transport for London

Dear David Banks


Our ref: FOI-2679-2122


Thank you for your request received by Transport for London (TfL) on 17
February 2022 asking for information about 1938 Rolling Stock.


Your request has been considered under the requirements of the Freedom of
Information Act 2000 and our information access policy.


Unfortunately we do not hold the information you require. Information is
only held for a maximum of 7 years, or where there is an operational
requirement, and therefore we would not hold this information. The 1938
Rolling Stock was in operation until 1987. I have passed your request to
my colleagues in Corporate Archives to see if they hold anything about
these trains.


If you are not satisfied with this response please see the attached
information sheet for details of your right to appeal.


Yours sincerely


Eva Hextall

FOI Case Officer

Transport for London



dangos adrannau a ddyfynnir

FOI, Transport for London

1 Atodiad

Dear Mr Banks


Our Ref:         FOI-2600-2122 / FOI-2722-2122


Thank you for your recent requests asking for various pieces of
information relating to the class 1938 train stock.


Your requests have been considered in accordance with the requirements of
the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act and our information access policy.


We apologise that you do not feel you have been supported in your research
to date. As you may be aware, our physical collections are stored off site
and access for staff and researchers to all original physical files is via
a public search room following an arranged delivery of requested files. We
have been unable to open and therefore facilitate access to our physical
archives since March 2020 for a number of reasons, including the
restrictions in place during the pandemic as well as a physical move from
our location in St James Park to our new facility in Stratford.


We will return to the office this month, March 2022, and complete
refurbishment with a view to a phased re-opening to users from April 2022.
We appreciate this is frustrating for people like yourself who wish to
access the archive, but we are doing all we can to expedite this process.


Our records show that you have made at least seven requests to TfL, not
including those made to the London Transport Museum, in a continuous
period of 37 working days (excluding bank holidays) up to and including
the date of your most recent request of 24 February 2022.


Under Section 12 of the FOI Act, we are not obliged to comply with a
request if we estimate that the cost of determining whether we hold the
information, locating and retrieving it and extracting it from other
information would exceed the appropriate limit of £450 provided for in the
Freedom of Information (FOI) and Data Protection (Appropriate Limit and
Fees) Regulations 2004. This is calculated at £25 per hour for every hour
spent on the activities described.


We have estimated that, to date, it has cost £125 to provide a response to
your earlier requests, equating to an estimated 5 hours spent locating,
retrieving and compiling the information you requested. We believe to
respond to your remaining outstanding requests would require at least 56
hours to retrieve, assess and compile the information at a further cost of
£1400 totalling 61 hours of work at an overall cost of £1525. Please note
that this figure is at the lower end of the estimated time it would take
to respond to your requests and does not include the time it would take to
scan the requested information, so the time taken would likely be much


One of your requests, dated 17 February 2022, asks: ‘Have you any data on
1938 tube carriages and motors and bogies please?’ We estimate that this
request alone would take over 30 hours to process due to the broad nature
of your request. We would have to identify all material that we hold that
may be relevant to your queries. Time would then still be needed to scan
anything that might be of interest.


We are now applying an aggregate cost limit to the other outstanding
requests which we received from you between 17 and 24 February 2022,
inclusive under section 12 of the FOI Act. Please note any further
requests that we receive within a 60 working day timeframe may also be
subject to consideration under section 12 of FOI.


I understand that you have made a request for a copy of the 69 rule book
and some photos to the London Transport Museum. They will respond to these
requests separately. Please also note that your most recent request of 24
February 2022 does not constitute a request for information that we can
help you with.


While we appreciate that you have an interest in this subject, there is a
small team available to respond to these requests and the burden placed on
them has to be balanced with their substantive roles. To help bring the
cost of responding to your request within the £450 limit, you may wish to
prioritise the information you are most interested in and make a single
request on a topic to us directly rather than sending several requests to
different areas of the business in a short period of time in order to make
the best use of the processing time available to you under the FOI Act.


Please see the attached information sheet for details of your right to


Yours sincerely


Gemma Jacob

Senior FOI Case Officer

FOI Case Management Team

General Counsel

Transport for London


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17/2 - CAR-189-2122


Good morning I have written to andy I am a disabled author of 75 and
getting no help in re writing Moorgate as in 1975 I was a guard on the
northern line and two weeks away from the front seat . Can you help me in
anyway obtaining a photo of the wrecked 1938 train other than what’s
public domain . It’s essential to be in the book and it will I hope stop
all these conspiracies floating around . My website validates who I am at
www. it proves who I am and why I write.



17/2 - CAR-193-2122


Have you any data on 1938 tube carriages and motors and bogies please



18/2 - CAR-192-2122


Good morning sadly I’m a disabled gentleman of 75 and unable to walk due
to arthritis in my knees and feet. I’m writing the Moorgate story and as I
was 29 in 1975 and a employee of the London Transport I never thought that
I would be writing such not at this age. As I am can you help me have you
any drawings of the cab layout of a 1938 tube driving car please? If you
have could you kindly send them to me to use in the book. It is of
importance and would help the readers understand better what is involved
for at the 1975 inquest they didn’t bring any drawings to bear, nothing to
support where the equipment was in a cap,and to people who have no
knowledge of how a driver operates the train it was indeed a serious flaw.
Can you help me please



7/2 - CAR-194-2122/FOI-2600-2122


I seek information about the operation of 1938 stock braking systems and
rear dbvic photos



24/2 – CAR-195-2122


Hello Im in the throes of writing a book Im seeking information about
Guard Harris because he is guilty of not carrying out his duties as a
guard in 1975. He could have prevented that accident and he broke the rule
book and the result people were killed. Can you help me with why he wasnt
prosecuted and imprisioned. In 1975 I was a guard on the Undergroud and a
stickler for rules and regulation now Im 75 and disabled and I think Guard
Harris should be brought back. to justice and also McNaughton for letting
himof the hook. Is there anyway you can help me make this request legal
and help me finish the book with either an appology for what happened
though that wont bring the driver back but one must file negligence to the
Guard for we all know if he was doing his duty driver Leslie Newson would
be with43 other passengers alive.







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