Removal of DNA samples, and backup records from the NDNAD

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Dear Sir or Madam,

The NDNAD is based on physical samples of DNA taken from suspects, volunteers etc. From time to time people are taken off the database. In these cases, the official documents concerned always seem to refer to the profiles being removed, but not the destruction of the original DNA sample; nor do they reference what happened to profiles stored in backups of the NDNAD. Therefore,

1. Can you confirm that when a profile is removed, the profile is also removed from backups?

2. Is the profile removed permanently, or ever restored from backups or samples or off-site copies at suppliers?

3. Can you confirm that ALL of the DNA samples are also destroyed? If so please describe the procedure(s) involved and attach a sample of the forms used to audit this. (This procedure may vary as I understand some DNA samples are held by commercial firms on behalf of the NPIA for a small annual fee).

Yours faithfully,

Paul Honigmann

Gadawodd David Mery anodiad ()

You'll find some answers to 1/ and 2/ in a request I made some time ago:
http://gizmonaut.net/foia/2008-12-12_NPI... (The question was quoted in the annual report: http://gizmonaut.net/blog/uk/2009/10/ndn... :-)

The NPIA is in charge of the NDNAD, private labs keep the samples (and hence are pushing for samples to be retained).

For the Met, when the decision has been taken, SCD12 informs all the departments concerned and wait for confirmation before informing the individual. I could not find a detailed process, it seems very ad hoc (see http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/17/... for a few more notes on this). See http://gizmonaut.net/bits/suspect.html#D... for how one is informed.

NPIA FOI Team,

Dear Mr Honigmann

Thank you for your recent request for information, about Removal of DNA samples and backup records from the NDNAD, dated 29th November 2009.

Your request was received on 29th November 2009 and I am dealing with it under the terms of the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Honigmann [mailto:[FOI #23923 email]]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:12 PM
To: NPIA FOI Team
Subject: Freedom of Information request - Removal of DNA samples, and backup records from the NDNAD

Dear Sir or Madam,

The NDNAD is based on physical samples of DNA taken from suspects,
volunteers etc. From time to time people are taken off the
database. In these cases, the official documents concerned always
seem to refer to the profiles being removed, but not the
destruction of the original DNA sample; nor do they reference what
happened to profiles stored in backups of the NDNAD. Therefore,

1. Can you confirm that when a profile is removed, the profile is
also removed from backups?

2. Is the profile removed permanently, or ever restored from
backups or samples or off-site copies at suppliers?

3. Can you confirm that ALL of the DNA samples are also destroyed?
If so please describe the procedure(s) involved and attach a sample
of the forms used to audit this. (This procedure may vary as I
understand some DNA samples are held by commercial firms on behalf
of the NPIA for a small annual fee).

Yours faithfully,

Paul Honigmann

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Please find attached the NPIA's response to your request.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Honigmann [mailto:[FOI #23923 email]]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:12 PM
To: NPIA FOI Team
Subject: Freedom of Information request - Removal of DNA samples, and backup records from the NDNAD

Dear Sir or Madam,

The NDNAD is based on physical samples of DNA taken from suspects,
volunteers etc. From time to time people are taken off the
database. In these cases, the official documents concerned always
seem to refer to the profiles being removed, but not the
destruction of the original DNA sample; nor do they reference what
happened to profiles stored in backups of the NDNAD. Therefore,

1. Can you confirm that when a profile is removed, the profile is
also removed from backups?

2. Is the profile removed permanently, or ever restored from
backups or samples or off-site copies at suppliers?

3. Can you confirm that ALL of the DNA samples are also destroyed?
If so please describe the procedure(s) involved and attach a sample
of the forms used to audit this. (This procedure may vary as I
understand some DNA samples are held by commercial firms on behalf
of the NPIA for a small annual fee).

Yours faithfully,

Paul Honigmann

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Dear NPIA FOI Team,

thank you for the comprehensive, precise, and interesting response to my FOI request.

Yours sincerely,

Paul Honigmann