Merseyside fire &rescue proposed new operation room in Bridle Road

john hardaker made this Rhyddid Gwybodaeth request to Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council

This request has been closed to new correspondence from the public body. Contact us if you think it ought be re-opened.

Roedd y cais yn llwyddiannus.

Dear Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council,I noted in the daily post that planning papers have been lodged for a new 999 center at Bridle Road with a proposed cost of £6.6 million pounds & my question to you as a member of the merseyside fire & Rescue authority is why this is being proposed when in 2008 a purpose built facility was built in warrington at Langley mere business park & remains empty at a cost of I believe of about £40,000.oo a year in interest charges alone under a labour PFI contract which is managed by I understand a company based in a channel island tax haven.
Have merseyside fire & rescue authority forgotten about this facility & are blithely going ahead with another expensive project at a great expense to wirral ratepayers.A reply within the 21 day statutory period would be very much appreciated.For your information see daily mail online article 20thSeptember 2011 under Prescots Folly.

Yours faithfully,Jonathan Hardaker

Corrin, Jane, Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council

Good Morning,

Thank you for your recent request for information shown below.  The
Council has no recorded information to supply to you on this occasion as
it is not a council proposal but a Merseyside Fire and Rescue one.

To assist you further, if you see the link below, you will be able to
redirect your enquiry to the correct organisation who I am sure will be
able to help you.

 

[1]http://www.merseyfire.gov.uk/aspx/pages/...

 

 

Kind Regards

Jane Corrin

Information Manager

Wirral Council

[2][email address]

 

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Dear Corrin, Jane,I am not satisfied with your response quite frankly we as ratepayers I pay a precept to you & in turn you allocate the funds to the merseyside fire & rescue & you in turn pass on the funds on & as there are several wirral councilors who are members of the fire & rescue authority & I think it is up to these members to answer the questions raised as they are taking the expenses they should respond. It is not up to me to approach fire & rescue direct as my rates & precept are paid to you & therefore I demand a reply from wirral & its councilors instead of "PASSING THE BUCK".
I understand the wirral councilors on the M.F.&R are
Darren Dodd
Steve Niblock
Leslie Rennie
Denise Roberts
To whom my question should be addressed.
Thanks anyway for your quite response albeit inadequate

Yours sincerely,

john hardaker

Dear Corrin, Jane,By the time you receive this request the statutory period to reply will have elapsed therefore could you get the councilors responsible & on the fire authority to answer my legitimate question also clarifying why they are spending over £6 million on land they do not own but only rent This should delay my original request. Thanks Jane much appreciated .

Yours sincerely,

john hardaker

Corrin, Jane, Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council

Good Afternoon
I refer to your request for information contained in your email of 23 January 2013 and apologise for the delay in responding to you.

Having taken legal advice, I consider that your request for information should be considered under the Environmental Information Regulations 2004. Environmental information includes "measures (including administrative measures) such as policies, legislation, plans, programmes, environmental agreements, and activities affecting or likely to affect the elements and factors referred to in (a) or (b) as well as measures or activities designed to protect those elements." (Regulation 2 (1) (c) ). The information you are seeking concerns activities affecting land.

Regulation 10 of the 2004 Regulations provides that where a public authority that receives a request for environmental information, does not hold the information requested but believes that another public authority holds the information, the public authority shall either transfer the request to the other authority or supply the applicant with he name and address of that authority.

The Council believes that Merseyside Fire and Rescue hold the requested information and that your request for information should be transferred under Regulation 10 (1) (a) of the Environmental Information Regulations 2004.Merseyside Fire and Rescue are a separate local authority and Councillors (who are members of this authority) are treated as conducting the business of the Merseyside Fire and Rescue when considering matters which relate to Merseyside Fire and Rescue.

I am therefore refusing your request for information on the basis that the Council does not hold the information and that the request will be transferred to Merseyside Fire and Rescue. I will transfer your enquiry today.
Kind Regards
Jane Corrin
Information Manager
Wirral Council

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Dear Corrin, Jane,Hi thanks for your response & I have noted you have passed on my request to the fire authority as obviously the councilors involved appear to be unwilling or unable to commit to an answer despite them being on the committe & presumably been involved in the day to day decisions.
Let us hope I do not have to wait another 21 days for them to reply. Thanks anyway

Yours sincerely,

john hardaker

Corrin, Jane, Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council

Thank you for your email

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Yare, Julie,

1 Atodiad

Dear Mr Hardaker

 

Thank you for request which has been transferred by Wirral Borough Council
under regulation 10 of the Environmental Regulations 2004 to Merseyside
Fire & Rescue Authority. Please see attached letter, we will be in touch
in due course.

 

Kind Regards

 

Julie Yare

Corporate Information Sharing Officer

Strategic Planning Directorate

Knowledge & Information Management Department

Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service HQ

Bridle Rd

Bootle

Liverpool

L30 4YD

 

(T) 0151 296 4479

(F) 0151 296 4631

Mailto: [1][email address]

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Yare, Julie,

Dear Mr Hardacker

 

Thank you for your recent request made under the Freedom of Information
Act 2000, this request was originally made to Wirral Borough Council and
was then transferred to us under Regulation 10 of the Environmental
Regulations 2004.

“Dear Corrin, Jane, By the time you receive this request the statutory
period to reply will have elapsed therefore could you get the councilors
responsible & on the fire authority to answer my legitimate question
also clarifying why they are spending over £6 million on land they do not
own but only rent This should delay my original request. Thanks Jane much
appreciated”.

We are not sure we have your full query, could you please clarify exactly
what your question is and clarify exactly what you mean by the Fire
Authority spending £6 million on land they do not own but only rent. We
have stopped the clock on your request and will start it again as soon as
we receive clarity.

Please do not hesitate to contact me on the number below or by email if I
can be any assistance.

Kind Regards

 

Julie Yare

 

Corporate Information Sharing Officer

Strategic Planning Directorate

Knowledge & Information Management Department

Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service HQ

Bridle Rd

Bootle

Liverpool

L30 4YD

 

(T) 0151 296 4479

(F) 0151 296 4631

Mailto: [1][email address]

           [2][email address]

 

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Internet: [4]www.merseyfire.gov.uk

 

 

 

 

 

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Gadawodd john hardaker anodiad ()

Attention Miss Yare if you go onto my original request to wirral council you will see my first request from day one I am sorry I am not computer savvy enough to copy & paste the item so if you look on what do they know & tppe in wirral council and the same header you should be able to view the original.cheers for now & the name is Hardaker for your information

Dear Yare, Julie,hi I don't know what went wrong with Wirral council passing the whole of my original request but if you log onto the original request to wirral council you will get the full gist of my original question & hopefully come up with a substantive answer

Yours sincerely,

john hardaker

Yare, Julie,

I am currently out of the office until Monday 4th th March 2013 am. If you
need any assistance in relation to Data Protection, Freedom of
Information, Information Sharing  or Records Management please contact
Jean Crimmins on 0151 296 4474 [email address] or Deb
Appleton The Director of Strategic Planning on 0151 296 4402
[email address].uk 

Kind Regards
Julie Yare
Corporate Information Sharing Officer
Knowledge and Information Management
Strategic Planning

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Yare, Julie,

Dear Mr Hardacker

 

Thank you for your response to my e-mail below, unfortunately I must have
deleted it by mistake but if I remember rightly you referred us to the
Wirral Borough Council website to view your full request. As I no longer
have your email I cannot be a 100% certain about this, but in order for us
to process your request under Regulations 10 of 2004 Environmental
Regulations it must be transferred in full so that it is clear what you
are requesting or they should provide you with the name and address of the
public authority in question. We are not obliged to go looking for you
request.

 

Bearing this in mind could you please supply us with a full copy of the
information you are requesting. If I can be of any further assistance
please do not hesitate to contact me on the number below.

 

Kind Regards

 

Julie Yare

Corporate Information Sharing Officer

Strategic Planning Directorate

Knowledge & Information Management Department

Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service HQ

Bridle Rd

Bootle

Liverpool

L30 4YD

 

(T) 0151 296 4479

(F) 0151 296 4631

Mailto: [1][email address]

           [2][email address]

 

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Internet: [4]www.merseyfire.gov.uk

 

 

 

 

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Dear Yare, Julie,Can I suggest that you scroll up to the top of the page with your last request which shows the whole history of my request including my original requests to wirral council & the request sent to you.If you cant find it go onto what do they know & type in the above heading & you will get the full original request so you are in a position to answer. thank you.

Yours sincerely,

john hardaker

Yare, Julie,

Dear Mr Hardacker

After you kindly directing me I now have a copy of your request which was transferred under the Environmental Regulations 2004 by Wirral Borough Council to Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service. I will now process your request.

Kind Regards


Julie Yare
Corporate Information Sharing Officer
Strategic Planning Directorate
Knowledge & Information Management Department
Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service HQ
Bridle Rd
Bootle
Liverpool
L30 4YD

(T) 0151 296 4479
(F) 0151 296 4631
Mailto: [email address]
[email address]

http://intranetportal/sites/KIM/default....
Internet: www.merseyfire.gov.uk

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Dear Yare, Julie,STILL WAITING FOR A DEFINITIVE REPLY???

Yours sincerely,

john hardaker

Yare, Julie,

I am currently out of the office until 18th March 2013 am. If you need any
assistance in relation to Data Protection, Freedom of Information,
Information Sharing  or Records Management please contact Jean Crimmins on
0151 296 4474 [email address] or Deb Appleton The Director
of Strategic Planning on 0151 296 4402 [email address].uk 

Kind Regards
Julie Yare
Corporate Information Sharing Officer
Knowledge and Information Management
Strategic Planning

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Yare, Julie,

Dear Mr Hardacker

Because your request was transferred to Merseyside Fire and Rescue
Authority from Wirral Council under the Environmental Regulations 2004
the clock was stopped for your request on 25/02/2013, 4 days having
elapsed. The clock was started again on 13/03/2013, when I looked up
your request on the whatdotheyknow website. As a result, there are 16
days left and the new deadline for providing the information requested
is 08/04/2013, however every effort will be made to provide the
requested information before this date.

Kind Regards

Julie Yare
Corporate Information Sharing Officer
Strategic Planning Directorate
Knowledge & Information Management Department
Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service HQ
Bridle Rd
Bootle
Liverpool
L30 4YD

(T) 0151 296 4479
(F) 0151 296 4631
Mailto: [email address]
[email address]

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Dear Yare, Julie,With respect julie the clock started ticking on the 20th febuary when wirral council transfered the request to you & it was only through constant reminders which enabled you to find it within your "system" & it is now well over the 20 days by which you should have replied so please dont insult my intelligence when you admit you found the original dated the 20th febuary & suggesting the clock is 4 days old when in fact it is OVERDUE, A prompt reply to this outstanding matter would be apprecisted.

Yours sincerely,

john hardaker

Yare, Julie,

I am currently out of the office until 21st Thursday March 2013 am. If you
need any assistance in relation to Data Protection, Freedom of
Information, Information Sharing  or Records Management please contact
Jean Crimmins on 0151 296 4474 [email address] or Deb
Appleton The Director of Strategic Planning on 0151 296 4402
[email address].uk 

Kind Regards
Julie Yare
Corporate Information Sharing Officer
Knowledge and Information Management
Strategic Planning

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Yare, Julie,

Dear Mr Hardaker

 

We have tried to be as helpful as we possibly could by advising you that
we hadn't received your full request and you directed us to the
whatdotheyknow website.

 

We are not obliged under the Environmental Regulations 2004 to go looking
for your request on other data controller's websites as confirmed by the
Information Commissioners Office. We did in fact do this however in order
that your request was fulfilled as soon as possible for you, as we do
understand having the request transferred may cause frustration. We found
the full copy of your request on 13/03/2013.

 

As a separate data controller to Wirral Council the clock starts ticking
on your request when we receive a full copy it, either written or verbally
under Regulation 10 of the Environment Regulations 2004, we then have 20
working days to meet your request. We received a partial request for you
on the 18/02/2013 from Wirral Council, as we didn't advise you until the
25/02/2013 that we had not received your full request, this was because
staff were out of the office we decided to include the four working days
that had elapsed in this time. Under the Environmental Regulations we were
not obliged to do this as we hadn’t received a full copy of your request
from Wirral Council or yourself in writing or verbally.

 

Can we assure you again every effort will be made to meet your request
before the deadline of 8^th April 2013.

 

 

Kind Regards

 

 

Julie Yare

Corporate Information Sharing Officer

Strategic Planning Directorate

Knowledge & Information Management Department

Merseyside Fire & Rescue Service HQ

Bridle Rd

Bootle

Liverpool

L30 4YD

 

(T) 0151 296 4479

(F) 0151 296 4631

Mailto: [email address]

           [email address]

 

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Crimmins, Jean,

6 Atodiad

Dear Mr Hardaker,

 

Further to your request for information, please see the attached
correspondence.

 

Kind regards,

 

Jean Crimmins

Corporate Information Sharing Officer

 

 

Knowledge and Information Management

Strategic Planning Directorate

Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service Headquarters

Bridle Road

Bootle

L30 4YD

 

(T) 0151 296 4474

(F) 0151 296 4631

 

Mail to: [1][email address]

 

 

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Dear Crimmins, Jean,thank you for all the information you have kindly sent me & after going through all the various files you do not appear to have answered part of my request in as much as the new building being built on land owned by Scottish power & I cannot see where the rental charges are shown as an expense, Also
the purpose Built facility in Warrington by the last labour administration was not considered bearing in mind this was PFI funded & still is for the next 25 plus years & in this day & age where telecomunication & Radio services can be placed anywhere rather than on an existing site which was already owned by MFR needs explaining where you already owned the land rather than paying rent to a landlord. Thanking you for your help so far but if you can enlighten on the above points i would be gratefull. Thanking you again.

Yours sincerely,

john hardaker

Crimmins, Jean,

Dear Colleague

I am currently out of the office until Tuesday 9th April 2013

My normal working days are Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

If you need any assistance in relation to Data Protection, Freedom of
Information, Information Sharing or Records Managemnet please contact
Julie Yare on 0151 296 4479 [email address]

Kind regards,
Jean Crimmins
Corporate Information Sharing Officer.
0151 296 4474

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Crimmins, Jean,

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Dear Mr Hardaker,

Thank you for your e-mail.

Please see the following response in answer to your questions.

A copy of the High Level Options Analysis is also attached and may be helpful to you in understanding the decision that was made with regard to the Joint Control Centre.

• The new JCC is being built on the site of the current Fire and Rescue Service Headquarters in Bootle. This land is already in Fire and Rescue Authority ownership. The ownership is a long leasehold from Sefton Council (not Scottish power). There is an annual lease charge of approximately £25k for the site - this will not change with the building of the extension to house the JCC.

• Consideration was given to the option of joining with North West colleagues in using the facility at Warrington at the Fire and Rescue Authority meeting of the 27 September 2011. The full papers are available on the website but the attached Summary of the issues considered might be useful in understanding the decision taken.

The Authority decided:-

Potential Opportunities for a North West Control Room (CFO/117/11)

Members carefully considered report CFO/117/11 of the Deputy Chief Executive and discussed the options available to them in that either MFRA could remain as it is in terms of its Mobilising Command and Control functions, or could enter into a collaborative approach with other FRA’s in the North West.

Members also discussed a further option to consider investigating further the possibility of joint Command and Control working with the Police and Ambulance Service. After careful deliberation which in particular recognised

(1) The significant investment in both purchasing a new system in advance of the (failed) national project and exploiting that system to maximise the use of technology in Merseyside.

(2) That MFRA would not receive the significant technological benefits that may be afforded to the other authorities in the North West who have older possibly less advanced systems.

(3) That the financial benefits of a North West collaboration remain relatively small compared to the risks and the efforts involved in delivering the savings compared to the overall level of savings and strategic aims for the Authority in its financial planning.

(4) The critical role that mobilisation plays within MFRA’s emergency response capabilities and in particular the role its local control room staff plays in the delivery of an excellent service for the people of Merseyside – as recently exemplified in response to the civil disorder.

(4) That there are a number of lessons to be learnt from the excellent joint working to manage the recent incidents in Merseyside working closely with the Police and other agencies and that significant work has already been undertaken within the Merseyside Resilience Forum in relation to the closer integration of Emergency Planning and Command and Control functions.

Councillor Hanratty proposed a draft Resolution which was seconded by Councillor Mahon,
Councillor Rennie and Councillor Clein made representation from their Groups in that lessons should be learned from the National Project.
17 Members voted in favour of the proposed resolution moved by Councillor Hanratty.

Members resolved that

(a) A local solution be progressed as the most potentially cost efficient and operationally effective solution for Merseyside FRA.

(b) Collaboration with other Authorities in the North West on this project be suspended until the outcome of negotiations with Merseyside Police and North West Ambulance Service are known.

(c) The Chief Fire Officer be instructed to formally approach the Police Authority and the North West Ambulance Service (NWAS) to enter into negotiations on behalf of the Fire Authority to develop a proposal for effective joint working around a resilient combined Command and Control function and a report be presented to the next Authority meeting detailing progress with these discussions

(d)The LACC staff team be formally thanked for the excellent work in bringing forward the information to allow the Authority to consider the project and that colleagues across the North West be offered good wishes for the scheme moving forward.

Kind regards,

Jean Crimmins
Corporate Information Sharing Officer


Knowledge and Information Management
Strategic Planning Directorate
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service Headquarters
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD

(T) 0151 296 4474
(F) 0151 296 4631

Mail to: [email address]


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Dear Crimmins, Jean,Thank you for answering my question in full much appreciated.

Yours sincerely,

john hardaker

Crimmins, Jean,

Dear Mr Hardaker,

Many thanks for your acknowledgement.

Kind regards,

Jean Crimmins
Corporate Information Sharing Officer


Knowledge and Information Management
Strategic Planning Directorate
Merseyside Fire and Rescue Service Headquarters
Bridle Road
Bootle
L30 4YD

(T) 0151 296 4474
(F) 0151 296 4631

Mail to: [email address]


Intranet/Portal http://intranetportal/sites/KIM/default....
Internet www.merseyfire.gov.uk

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