Identification of Tower Blocks Affected by Fire Safety Concerns

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Dear Department for Communities and Local Government,

I read with absolute dismay an assertion by Lord Porter (of the Local Government Association) that, following tests on PIR foam insulation by the Building Research Establishment, the identity of properties at risk will not be made public because of "intellectual property" concerns (*)

That is an absurd statement, and I hope, unsustainable.

Please disclose to me a list of all 60 properties that failed the "whole system fire test".

It is overwhelmingly in the public interest that this information is made public, so that families & firemen are not left in danger (regardless of the misplaced "intellectual property" concerns of the manufacturers/installers of flammable cladding/insulation).

Yours faithfully,

P John

*vhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40749036

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Dear Mr John,
 
Freedom of Information Act 2000
 
Thank you for contacting us on 28 July 2017 requesting:
 
Dear Department for Communities and Local Government,

I read with absolute dismay an assertion by Lord Porter (of the Local
Government Association) that, following tests on PIR foam insulation by
the Building Research Establishment, the identity of properties at risk
will not be made public because of "intellectual property" concerns (*)

That is an absurd statement, and I hope, unsustainable.

Please disclose to me a list of all 60 properties that failed the "whole
system fire test".

It is overwhelmingly in the public interest that this information is made
public, so that families & firemen are not left in danger (regardless of
the misplaced "intellectual property" concerns of the
manufacturers/installers of flammable cladding/insulation).
 
We are dealing with your request under the Freedom of Information Act
2000 and aim to send you a response by 25 August 2017.
 
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Gadawodd P. John anodiad ()

BoingBoing: "Intellectual property rights" are why UK government won't say which housing failed fire safety test
http://boingboing.net/2017/07/28/lord-po...

"This is incoherent rubbish of the sort that government officials are wont to hand down all over the world, but especially in the UK. "

BBC: Lord Porter interviewed on Newsnight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIffGAmh...

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Dear Mr John
 
Freedom of Information Act 2000
 
Thank you for your request for information:
I read with absolute dismay an assertion by Lord Porter (of the Local
Government Association) that, following tests on PIR foam insulation by
the Building Research Establishment, the identity of properties at risk
will not be made public because of "intellectual property" concerns (*)

That is an absurd statement, and I hope, unsustainable.

Please disclose to me a list of all 60 properties that failed the "whole
system fire test".

It is overwhelmingly in the public interest that this information is made
public, so that families & firemen are not left in danger (regardless of
the misplaced "intellectual property" concerns of the
manufacturers/installers of flammable cladding/insulation)., which we
received on 28 July 2017.
 
We are handling it under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.
 
We are sorry to inform you that we have not been able to complete our
response to your request by the date originally stated. 

Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, we have 20 working days to
respond to a request for information unless we are considering whether the
information requested is covered by one of the 'qualified exemptions'
(exemptions which must be tested against the public interest before
deciding whether they apply to the information in question). 

Where we are considering the public interest test against the application
of relevant qualified exemptions, Section 17(2)(b) provides that we can
extend the 20 day deadline.   

For your information we are considering the exemptions at section 35 and
36 of FOIA. 

I estimate that it will take an additional 20 working days to take a
decision on where the balance of the public interest lies. Therefore, I
will respond to you by 25 September 2017.
 
 
Yours sincerely
 
 
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Dear Mr John,
 
Thank you for your request for information concerning:
 
Dear Department for Communities and Local Government,

I read with absolute dismay an assertion by Lord Porter (of the Local
Government Association) that, following tests on PIR foam insulation by
the Building Research Establishment, the identity of properties at risk
will not be made public because of "intellectual property" concerns (*)

That is an absurd statement, and I hope, unsustainable.

Please disclose to me a list of all 60 properties that failed the "whole
system fire test".

It is overwhelmingly in the public interest that this information is made
public, so that families & firemen are not left in danger (regardless of
the misplaced "intellectual property" concerns of the
manufacturers/installers of flammable cladding/insulation)..
 
Unfortunately we are unable to provide this information. We have attached
our formal response which sets out the reasons for this.
 
 
Knowledge and Information Access Team
Department for Communities and Local Government
 
 
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Dear Despatch Box,

thank you for your response to my FoIA concerning "Identification of Tower Blocks Affected by Fire Safety Concerns". I am pleased to learn that the residents & fire services have been informed of buildings affected, though without the list it is impossible to know for sure.

In your response you said; "we believe disclosure of the information without the wider context is premature and would be likely to undermine any conclusions which may emerge".

I'm not concerned about the 'wider context'. Or even the 'conclusions which may' (or may not) emerge.

On reflection, however, there is a much more compelling reason why this information should not be disclosed until all the buildings are made safe, which you might wish to consider prioritising instead.

Given affected buildings are acutely vulnerable to malicious ignition, publishing this data would jepardise the safety of lives & homes.

So.... If you are seeking a reason to withhold this information, that is the primary reason you should choose.

Your concerns about 'wider contexts' 'premature disclosure', and 'conclusions which may emerge' are barely relevant to FoI (and I would otherwise request you review this decision).

thank you,
Yours sincerely,

P. John