How can police constables fine motorists when they are following motorists in unmarked police cars ?

Yn disgwyl am adolygiad mewnol gan o'u triniaeth o'r cais hwn.

Dear West Mercia Police,

It has come to me and my associates attention that you inform motorist in advance of stationary/mobile speed cameras, but this is not the case when being followed by unmarked police cars.

1) How can UK police fine/stop someone for speeding if the police are following people in vehicles/motorbikes in a unmarked police car ?

2) What happened to advance warning of speed cameras in unmarked police cars ?

Yours faithfully,

peter danby & associates.

Gadawodd francis: of the family hanney anodiad ()

Quote the bill of rights, a supreme constitutional act of parliament. Fines and forfeitures before conviction are void and illegal. Their own rules... Not ours.

Information Compliance West Mercia,

 
Dear Mr Danby
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST REFERENCE NO: RFI 7652/16
I write in connection with your request for information which was received
on 8th September 2016.  Please find below the response to your request:
It has come to me and my associates attention that you inform motorist in
advance of stationary/mobile speed cameras, but this is not the case when
being followed by unmarked police cars.
1) How can UK police fine/stop someone for speeding if the police are
following people in vehicles/motorbikes in a unmarked police car ?
2) What happened to advance warning of speed cameras in unmarked police
cars ?
 
REPLY: No specific recorded information held.
There is no obligation to advance warn of speed cameras in unmarked police
cars.
 
Every effort has been made to ensure that the response provided is as
accurate as possible
Your attention is drawn to the below which details your right of
complaint.
Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please write
or telephone the Information Compliance Unit quoting the reference number
above.
Yours sincerely
 
Mrs R Williams
Information Compliance Unit
Warwickshire Police & West Mercia Police
PO Box 55
Hindlip
Worcester
WR3 8SP
01905 331545 / 331565
 
West Mercia Police in complying with their statutory duty under sections 1
and 11 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 to release the enclosed
information will not breach the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.
However, the rights of the copyright owner of the enclosed information
will continue to be protected by law. Applications for the copyright
owner’s written permission to reproduce any part of the attached
information should be addressed to The Force Solicitor, West Mercia Police
Headquarters, PO Box 55, Hindlip, Worcester, WR3 8SP.
COMPLAINT RIGHTS
Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?
You have the right to require West Mercia Police (WMP) to review their
decision.
Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the person that dealt with your request.
Ask to have the decision looked at again -
The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is to
contact the person named at the end of your decision letter.
That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues and
assist with any problems.
Complaint
If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
WMP made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information, you can lodge a complaint with WMP to have the
decision reviewed. WMP must be notified of your intention to complain
within 20 working days of the date of its response to your Freedom of
Information request. Complaints should be made in writing and addressed
to:
West Mercia Police Headquarters
Information Compliance Unit
Hindlip Hall
Hindlip
PO Box 55
Worcester
WR3 8SP
or
Email:  [West Mercia Police request email]
In all possible circumstances, WMP will aim to respond to your complaint
within 20 working days.
The Information Commissioner
After lodging a complaint with WMP if you are still dissatisfied with the
decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for a
decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.
For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at [1]www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk
Alternatively, phone or write to:
Information Commissioner’s Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Phone: 01625 545700
 
 
 
 

View our new Warwickshire Police and West Mercia Police websites at:
[2]www.warwickshire.police.uk and [3]www.westmercia.police.uk

[4]Join the Special Constabulary and Make the Difference Make the
difference
For more information about becoming a Special Constable,
please visit,

Warwickshire Police: [5]www.warwickshire.police.uk/specialconstables
West Mercia Police: [6]www.westmercia.police.uk/specialconstables

References

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http://www.westmercia.police.uk/
5. file:///tmp/www.warwickshire.police.uk/specialconstables
6. file:///tmp/www.westmercia.police.uk/specialconstables

Dear Information Compliance West Mercia,

So no specific information held, so how can this be lawful West Mercia Police ?

Why do we have a two tier system going on with regards making the public aware of speed cameras ?

Speed cameras take £87m a year... but fail to make impact on road casualties

Speed cameras take £87m a year, so it's just another money making scam..........

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...

regards,

peter danby and associates.

Gadawodd francis: of the family hanney anodiad ()

And speed cameras have been proven to be faulty, therefore cannot be a reliable witness nor source of evidence. It's an absolute scam and an undeniable racquet.

Dear Information Compliance West Mercia,

Your reply to this FOI request is not adequate >>> There is no obligation to advance warn of speed cameras in unmarked police cars <<< .

Who has authorised police constables to use unmarked police cars to follow motorist ? Is this lawful ?

regards,

peter danby and associates

Information Compliance West Mercia,

1 Atodiad

 
Dear Mr Danby
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST REFERENCE NO: RFI 7652/16. Additional
Enquiries
I write in connection with your additional enquiries regarding our
response to FOI 7652.  Please find below the response to your enquiries:
1. Why do we have a two tier system going on with regards making the
public aware of speed cameras?
 
REPLY: Further to our advice that there is no obligation to advance warn
of speed cameras in unmarked police cars. Please be advised that there is
no obligation to advance warn drivers of static speed cameras.
 
[1]http://www.thinksaferroads.org.uk/contac... What rules and
guidelines do you have to follow?
[2]http://www.thinksaferroads.org.uk/about-...
[3]https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q64...
 
2. Who has authorised police constables to use unmarked police cars to
follow motorist? Is this lawful ?
 
REPLY: Please see attached the force Driving Standards Policy. This is the
policy for all drivers of police vehicles.
 
Every effort has been made to ensure that the response provided is as
accurate as possible
Your attention is drawn to the below which details your right of
complaint.
Should you have any further enquiries concerning this matter, please write
or telephone the Information Compliance Unit quoting the reference number
above.
Yours sincerely
 
Mrs R Williams
Information Compliance Unit
Warwickshire Police & West Mercia Police
PO Box 55
Hindlip
Worcester
WR3 8SP
01905 331545 / 331565
 
West Mercia Police in complying with their statutory duty under sections 1
and 11 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 to release the enclosed
information will not breach the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.
However, the rights of the copyright owner of the enclosed information
will continue to be protected by law. Applications for the copyright
owner’s written permission to reproduce any part of the attached
information should be addressed to The Force Solicitor, West Mercia Police
Headquarters, PO Box 55, Hindlip, Worcester, WR3 8SP.
COMPLAINT RIGHTS
Are you unhappy with how your request has been handled or do you think the
decision is incorrect?
You have the right to require West Mercia Police (WMP) to review their
decision.
Prior to lodging a formal complaint you are welcome and encouraged to
discuss the decision with the person that dealt with your request.
Ask to have the decision looked at again -
The quickest and easiest way to have the decision looked at again is to
contact the person named at the end of your decision letter.
That person will be able to discuss the decision, explain any issues and
assist with any problems.
Complaint
If you are dissatisfied with the handling procedures or the decision of
WMP made under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (the Act) regarding
access to information, you can lodge a complaint with WMP to have the
decision reviewed. WMP must be notified of your intention to complain
within 20 working days of the date of its response to your Freedom of
Information request. Complaints should be made in writing and addressed
to:
West Mercia Police Headquarters
Information Compliance Unit
Hindlip Hall
Hindlip
PO Box 55
Worcester
WR3 8SP
or
Email:  [West Mercia Police request email]
In all possible circumstances, WMP will aim to respond to your complaint
within 20 working days.
The Information Commissioner
After lodging a complaint with WMP if you are still dissatisfied with the
decision you may make application to the Information Commissioner for a
decision on whether the request for information has been dealt with in
accordance with the requirements of the Act.
For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at [4]https://ico.org.uk/ Alternatively, phone
or write to:
 
Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
 
Tel: 0303 123 1113 (local rate) or 01625 545 745 if you prefer to use a
national rate number
Fax: 01625 524 510
 
 
 
 
 

View our new Warwickshire Police and West Mercia Police websites at:
[5]www.warwickshire.police.uk and [6]www.westmercia.police.uk

[7]Join the Special Constabulary and Make the Difference Make the
difference
For more information about becoming a Special Constable,
please visit,

Warwickshire Police: [8]www.warwickshire.police.uk/specialconstables
West Mercia Police: [9]www.westmercia.police.uk/specialconstables

References

Visible links
1. http://www.thinksaferroads.org.uk/contac...
2. http://www.thinksaferroads.org.uk/about-...
3. https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q64...
4. https://ico.org.uk/
5. http://www.warwickshire.police.uk/
http://www.warwickshire.police.uk/
6. http://www.westmercia.police.uk/
http://www.westmercia.police.uk/
8. file:///tmp/www.warwickshire.police.uk/specialconstables
9. file:///tmp/www.westmercia.police.uk/specialconstables

Dear Information Compliance West Mercia, (have you got a name?)

If motorists are made aware of stationary speed cameras, then how can unmarked police cars be lawful? I say this because lawful and legal have different definitions ?
ACTS/STATUTES are by consent are they not ? Theresa May recently said UK policing is by consent, am i correct?

When did the people of the United Kingdom consent to politicians advocating the use of unmarked police cars ?

Look at thees links >>> https://youtu.be/VpaFOiQQSro >>> https://youtu.be/tMdXugZOuHI

I have seen lots of West Mercia Police cars who are not on emergency calls and are breaking the speed limits, why is this allowed to go on? Why cant you monitor the speed of police cars who are not on emergency calls? Am sure their is technology in place to monitor the speed of police cars".

Can you tell me who of our UK MPs advocated/voted for the introduction of unmarked police cars ?

Speed cameras are not for the safety of motorists, but to make money, which would cost Britain’s motorists MILLIONS, would basically be a tax on speeding. But some senior police officers say their hands are being forced by unprecedented cuts which have left many forces unfit for purpose >>> Speed cameras are NOT for safety but to make money: Police admit to ...
www.express.co.uk › News › UK
5 Nov 2015 - UK CASH COW: Speed cameras are NOT for safety but make LOTS of money, ... Speed cameras are being used as a cash cow by police forces ... powers to permanently turn on the cameras between junctions 10 (the turn-off ...

"So you lied to me about that speed cameras are for safety"

regards,

peter danby and associates

Information Compliance West Mercia,

1 Atodiad

Dear Mr Danby
 
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST REFERENCE NO: RFI 7652/16. Further
Enquiries
Please be advised that we have provided responses to the questions that
you have submitted under FOI reference 7652, and have provided additional
information in response to your request for review. If you are
dissatisfied with the response you may make application to the Information
Commissioner for a decision on whether the request for information has
been dealt with in accordance with the requirements of the Act.
For information on how to make application to the Information Commissioner
please visit their website at [1]https://ico.org.uk/ Alternatively, phone
or write to:
Information Commissioner's Office
Wycliffe House
Water Lane
Wilmslow
Cheshire
SK9 5AF
Tel: 0303 123 1113 (local rate) or 01625 545 745 if you prefer to use a
national rate number
Fax: 01625 524 510
 
No further correspondence will be entered into regarding this request.
 
Should you wish to submit a further request for information, please be
advised that to be valid a Freedom of information Act request has to
fulfil Section 8 of the Act. It is has to be a request for specific
recorded information. The Act only extends to requests for recorded
information.  It does not require public authorities to answer questions
generally, only if they already hold the answers in recorded form.  The
Act does not extend to requests for information about policies or their
implementation, or the merits or demerits of any proposal or action –
unless the answer to any such request is already held in recorded form.
 
Freedom of Information legislation cannot be used to circumvent normal
business processes in place within force to deal with issues or
complaints, and it will not be used to engage in protracted correspondence
regarding views of individuals. Should you wish to make a complaint about
the force or its employees please follow the appropriate procedure:
[2]https://westmercia.police.uk/article/855....
 
Yours sincerely
Mrs R Williams
Information Compliance Unit
Warwickshire Police & West Mercia Police
 
________
From: Peter Danby [[FOI #357040 email]]
Sent: 29 September 2016 16:29
To: Information Compliance West Mercia
Subject: Internal review of Freedom of Information request - How can
police constables fine motorists when they are following motorists in
unmarked police cars ?
 
Dear Information Compliance West Mercia, (have you got a name?)
 
If motorists are made aware of stationary speed cameras, then how can
unmarked police cars be lawful? I say this because lawful and legal have
different definitions ?
ACTS/STATUTES are by consent are they not ? Theresa May recently said UK
policing is by consent, am i correct?
 
When did the people of the United Kingdom consent to politicians
advocating the use of unmarked police cars ?
 
Look at thees links >>> [3]https://youtu.be/VpaFOiQQSro >>>
[4]https://youtu.be/tMdXugZOuHI
 
I have seen lots of West Mercia Police cars who are not on emergency calls
and are breaking the speed limits, why is this allowed to go on? Why cant
you monitor the speed of police cars who are not on emergency calls? Am
sure their is technology in place to monitor the speed of police cars".
 
Can you tell me who of our UK MPs advocated/voted for the introduction of
unmarked police cars ?
 
Speed cameras are not for the safety of motorists, but to make money,
which would cost Britain’s motorists MILLIONS, would basically be a tax on
speeding. But some senior police officers say their hands are being forced
by unprecedented cuts which have left many forces unfit for purpose >>>
Speed cameras are NOT for safety but to make money: Police admit to ...
[5]www.express.co.uk › News › UK
5 Nov 2015 - UK CASH COW: Speed cameras are NOT for safety but make LOTS
of money, ... Speed cameras are being used as a cash cow by police forces
... powers to permanently turn on the cameras between junctions 10 (the
turn-off ...
 
"So you lied to me about that speed cameras are for safety"
 
regards,
 
peter danby and associates
 

dangos adrannau a ddyfynnir

Gadawodd francis: of the family hanney anodiad ()

I think someone doesn't want to give the game away. The jig is up. 😉

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