Enfield Homes Encroachment of Land

D.Rodwell made this Rhyddid Gwybodaeth request to Hertfordshire County Council

This request has been closed to new correspondence from the public body. Contact us if you think it ought be re-opened.

Roedd y cais yn llwyddiannus.

Dear Hertfordshire County Council,
We are deeply dismayed that after 4 month request, Hertfordshire Council has failed to clarify or advance any opinion, regarding the encroachment by the London Borough of Enfield within Hertfordshire Land.

Request Freedom of Information Disclosure.
Relating to all hard copy, data and communication records with the London Borough of Enfield (Enfield Homes Almo) claim to Hertfordshire land,as advised your Mr Warby Asst Asset manager.
Being Hertfordshire Highways land, the verges A1000 & B556 Mutton Lane, Potters Bar. Hertfordshire. That Enfield has since November 2012 provided tree service maintenance, with expenditure, though all over services provided by Hertsmere or Hertfordshire Councils within this land boundary. Without having any historical association evidence, of any title, or interest in this land ever before.

Thanking you
David Rodwell

Yours faithfully,

D.Rodwell

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6 Atodiad

Dear D.Rodwell

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Herts Direct,

Dear Mr Rodwell
This request is being dealt with as "business as usual"  as Mr Warby is
collating the documentation you require to send you.
 
Yours Sincerely,
 
Information Access Team
Postal Point CHN 305
Hertfordshire County Council, County Hall, Pegs Lane, Hertford, SG13 8DE

dangos adrannau a ddyfynnir

Dear Herts Direct,
You have failed in replying in time through this system of Freedom of Information Request, this is breaking the law.

It is noted a token communication was sent to my private email address.

This is not what is required.
It also did not address at all, or provide the data or information as requested within the original request dated 1st April 2013.

Please provide the information as originally requested as presented 1st April 2013. Including all data and communications relating to your acceptance, of the public expenditure, by Enfield Homes (Enfield Council) within Hertfordshire Highways boundaries, at date of first origin of Enfield Homes presence within Hertfordshire.

Enfield Homes have been operating, with public financial expenditure within your land since before November 2012.
As previously requested I require all data and information relating to the original land title claim, and all financial expenditure by Enfield Homes. With all supporting communications of land title claims, with your responses since the original first date of claim, being at least prior to November 2012.

I trust your earliest response, for which I thank you.

Yours sincerely,

D.Rodwell

Dear Hertfordshire County Council,

You have failed in replying in time through this system of Freedom of Information Request, this is breaking the law.

It is noted a token communication was sent to my private email address.

This is not what is required.
It also did not address at all, or provide the data or information as requested within the original request dated 1st April 2013.

Please provide the information as originally requested as presented 1st April 2013. Including all data and communications relating to your acceptance, of the public expenditure, by Enfield Homes (Enfield Council) within Hertfordshire Highways boundaries, at date of first origin of Enfield Homes presence within Hertfordshire.

Enfield Homes have been operating, with public financial expenditure within your land since before November 2012.
As previously requested I require all data and information relating to the original land title claim, and all financial expenditure by Enfield Homes. With all supporting communications of land title claims, with your responses since the original first date of claim, being at least prior to November 2012.

I trust your earliest response, for which I thank you.

Yours faithfully,

D.Rodwell

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6 Atodiad

Re: Ref No 89107

Dear D Rodwell,

Thank you for your further enquiry.

This has been forwarded to the relevant department for their attention. We
will contact you once we have received a reply.

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D.Rodwell To Herts Direct
<[FOI #155374 email]> <[email address]>
cc
03/05/2013 14:04 Subject Re: Fw: Freedom of
Information request - Enfield
Homes Encroachment of Land
89107

     Dear Herts Direct,
    You have failed in replying in time through this system of Freedom
    of Information Request, this is breaking the law.
   
    It is noted a token communication was sent to my private email
    address.
   
    This is not what is required.
    It also did not address at all, or provide the data or information
    as requested within the original request dated 1st April 2013.
   
    Please provide the information as originally requested as presented
    1st April 2013. Including all data and communications relating to
    your acceptance, of the public expenditure, by Enfield Homes
    (Enfield Council) within Hertfordshire Highways boundaries, at date
    of first origin of Enfield Homes presence within Hertfordshire.
   
    Enfield Homes have been operating, with public financial
    expenditure within your land since before November 2012.
    As previously requested I require all data and information relating
    to the original land title claim, and all financial expenditure by
    Enfield Homes. With all supporting communications of land title
    claims, with your responses since the original first date of claim,
    being at least prior to November 2012.
   
    I trust your earliest response, for which I thank you.
   
    Yours sincerely,
   
    D.Rodwell
   
   

dangos adrannau a ddyfynnir

Herts Direct,

6 Atodiad

Re: Ref No 89107

Dear Enquirer,

Thank you for your further enquiry.

This has been forwarded to the relevant department for their attention. We
will contact you once we have received a reply.

Kind regards

Toni at HertsDirect
        Hertfordshire County Council

 

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dangos adrannau a ddyfynnir

Herts Direct,

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and will be dealt with as soon as possible. Our customer service
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Herts Direct,

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Your message has been received by Hertfordshire County Council
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Herts Direct,

Dear Mr. Rodwell,
Thank you for your email. I understand that copies of correspondence we
hold on this matter were supplied to you on 29th April.
 I also understand that the boundary maps are currently being
investigated, I apologise that this is taking longer than anticipated but
note that you have been informed of the reason for the delay on each
occasion.
 
 

D.Rodwell To Herts Direct
<[FOI #155374 email]> <[email address]>
cc
03/05/2013 14:04 Subject Re: Fw: Freedom of
Information request - Enfield
Homes Encroachment of Land
89107

 

    Dear Herts Direct,
   You have failed in replying in time through this system of Freedom
   of Information Request, this is breaking the law.
   
   It is noted a token communication was sent to my private email
   address.
   
   This is not what is required.
   It also did not address at all, or provide the data or information
   as requested within the original request dated 1st April 2013.
   
   Please provide the information as originally requested as presented
   1st April 2013. Including all data and communications relating to
   your acceptance, of the public expenditure, by Enfield Homes
   (Enfield Council) within Hertfordshire Highways boundaries, at date
   of first origin of Enfield Homes presence within Hertfordshire.
   
   Enfield Homes have been operating, with public financial
   expenditure within your land since before November 2012.
   As previously requested I require all data and information relating
   to the original land title claim, and all financial expenditure by
   Enfield Homes. With all supporting communications of land title
   claims, with your responses since the original first date of claim,
   being at least prior to November 2012.
   
   I trust your earliest response, for which I thank you.
   
   Yours sincerely,
   
   D.Rodwell
   
   

dangos adrannau a ddyfynnir

Dear Herts Direct,

I am unaware of any response to this overdue freedom of information request.

Private emails are not as requested, and not applicable to this request.

Kindly supply to this email address requested data & evidence as requested and repeated 30th March & 3rd May 2013.

This must be forwarded to the What Do You Know website email.Soonest.

You are now 12 days overdue with any form of meaningful or valid response

Yours sincerely,

D.Rodwell

Herts Direct,

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Herts Direct,

6 Atodiad

Dear D Rodwell,

Please accept our apologies for the delay in sending a response to your
email, Reference:  89107

We have contacted the department responsible for providing the information
and have asked for them to respond as soon as possible.

When we have a response we will ensure that this is forwarded onto you
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D.Rodwell To Herts Direct
<[FOI #155374 email]> <[email address]>
cc
11/05/2013 11:32 Subject RE: Fw: Freedom of
Information request - Enfield
Homes Encroachment of Land
89107

     Dear Herts Direct,
   
    I am unaware of any response to this overdue freedom of information
    request.
   
    Private emails are not as requested, and not applicable to this
    request.
   
    Kindly supply to this email address requested data & evidence as
    requested and repeated 30th March & 3rd May 2013.
   
    This must be forwarded to the What Do You Know website
    email.Soonest.
   
    You are now 12 days overdue with any form of meaningful or valid
    response
   
    Yours sincerely,
   
    D.Rodwell
   
   

dangos adrannau a ddyfynnir

Dear Herts Direct,
Your response is required by Week ending 17th May 2013.
You are breaking the law, being now overdue by 17 days. An internal review will be proceeded after the forementioned date.
I am regarding your failure to comply as obstructive.

Yours sincerely,

D.Rodwell

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Information Governance, Hertfordshire County Council

Dear Mr. Rodwell,

 

Thank you for your email. I understand that a full response is in
preparation. I have been unable to identify when this will be sent as both
the extent of highways officer who has been carrying out extensive
research into your query and the Highways Officer who has been in regular
communication with you are on annual leave this week.

 I expect to be able to provide a full response early next week.  As you
may be aware Potters bar was part of Middlesex until the mid 1960's and
several different local authorities have had responsibility for housing,
therefore it hasn't been a simple matter to unpick the responsibility you
are querying.

 

However in order to answer part of your enquiry, I can confirm that
Hertfordshire County Council does not hold any information  with regard to
finances for Enfield Homes.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Elaine Dunnicliffe

 

 

Information Access Manager

Information Governance Unit

Hertfordshire County Council

Postal Point CHN 305

County Hall,

Hertford, SG13 8DQ

Telephone: 01992 555848

Email: [email address]

dangos adrannau a ddyfynnir

Dear Hertfordshire County Council,

Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.

I am writing to request an internal review of Hertfordshire County Council's handling of my FOI request 'Enfield Homes Encroachment of Land'.

[ You have failed to respond with data and or documentation to my FOI request dated 1st April 2013
Also further chased requests dated 11th & 16th May 2013.
THIS FOI REQUEST HAS NO RELEVANCE AT ALL TO MY COMPLETELY SEPERATE GENERAL PRIVATE ENQUIRIES, WHICH COMMENCED WITHOUT CONCLUSION SINCE NOV 2012.
THIS IS A COMPLETELY SEPERATE AND INDEPENDANT
REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN RESPONDED TO AS SUCH BY YOUR OFFICERS.
NOW being 19 days Overdue.
You have ignored any response to this matter at all, until this week, and appear confused with regard to my original FOI request.
This is not acceptable at all, and is in breach of the FOI act. All
responses to this separate matter of FOI, only to this site please
]

A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/en...

Yours faithfully,

D.Rodwell

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Herts Direct,

6 Atodiad

Dear D.Rodwell

Thank you for your email. Your message has been sent to the relevant
department and will be dealt with as soon as possible. Should you need to
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19515

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Information Governance, Hertfordshire County Council

Dear Mr. Rodwell,

I understand that a full response has now been sent to you. For reference
I have included here the descriptive text but not the 14 attachments.

 

In the light of this response, I would be grateful if you would confirm
whether you wish us to proceed with an internal review? If I do not
receive confirmation I will assume you no longer require the internal
review. However if you are not satisfied with your response we will
conduct an internal review as described at the bottom of this letter.

 

In response to this enquiry, please find attached a plan showing the areas
of land at this location which are considered to be highway maintainable
at public expense coloured yellow.  (Attachment No 1)  The County
Council's opinion on the highway status of these areas of land rests on
the Inland Revenue map IR/522 (produced in accordance with the Finance
(1909-1910) Act) which shows these lengths of roads being uncoloured. 
This is strong evidence that highway rights were considered to exist at
that time, over these areas of land.

 

An extract from this Revenue map is also attached for your information. 
(Attachment No 2)  The original map may be inspected at the Hertfordshire
Archives and Local Studies (HALS) at County Hall.

 

It should be noted that, at that time, the residential development now
owned by the London Borough of Enfield (formerly the Edmonton Borough
Council) was not in existence.  Furthermore, prior to the introduction of
the London Government Act 1963, this part of Potters Bar was situated
within the County of Middlesex.  It  was only transferred into the County
of Hertfordshire on 1st April 1965 when the provisions of this Act came
into effect.

 

Following extensive research through the committee minutes of Potters Bar
Urban District Council (Potters Bar UDC) at HALS, it would appear that on
20th November 1952 the Edmonton Borough Council made a Compulsory Purchase
Order under Section 74 of the Housing Act 1936 to acquire land within the
Urban District of Potters Bar for development purposes.  At that time,
this proposed development was known as "Potters Bar Farm" and comprised of
Field Nos 646; 647, 648, 649, 672 and 673 as shown on the 1935 Ordnance
Survey map of Middlesex (Sheet No 1/12).  (Attachment No 3)  A copy of
this 1935 Ordnance Survey map is also attached with the areas of land in
question edged in green.  (Attachment No 4)  It is considered that this
development which was subsequently transferred by Edmonton Borough Council
to the London Borough of Enfield (as its successor following the
reorganisation of the municipal London Boroughs in 1965) is the subject of
Mr Rodwell's enquiry.

 

For reference purposes, the area edged green from the 1935 Ordnance Survey
map has been transposed onto the present day Ordnance Survey map which
clearly defines the extent of the London Borough of Enfield's housing
development  (Attachment No 5).

 

With reference to the committee minutes of Potters Bar UDC, it would
appear that at their meeting held on 16th December 1953, a request was
made by Edmonton Borough Council to Potters Bar UDC for their approval to
the layout of this development.  This layout was agreed in principle
subject to an increase in the minimum width of some of the roads on the
estate.  (Attachment No 6)

 

At its meeting held on 5th May 1954, Potters Bar UDC were informed that
the construction of the roads and sewers on the estate had commenced and
it was resolved that the roads and sewers on the estate could be "taken
over" (commonly known as being "adopted") in stages.  It was also resolved
that Potters Bar UDC were willing to plant the trees on the estate (at
Edmonton Borough Council's expense) , but a decision on the future
maintenance of the grass verges on the estate would be deferred for
consideration at a later date.  (Attachment No 7)

 

Since the planting of any trees would be upon these areas of grass verge,
it is considered that the question of the maintenance of these trees would
also form part of any future decision made by Potters Bar UDC.

 

At its meeting held on 14th September 1955, a resolution was made by
Potters Bar UDC agreeing to the suggested street names for the roads on
this estate.  (Attachment No 8)  These road names correspond to those
shown within the green edged land on the present Ordnance Survey map. 
(Attachment No 5)

 

At its meeting held on 11th February 1959, notification was given to
Potters Bar UDC that all the works on the above estate roads had been
satisfactorily completed and a formal request was made by Edmonton Borough
Council for these roads together with certain lengths of footways
connecting these roads to be formally adopted.  (Attachment No 9)

 

These roads and footways are shown coloured light green for reference
purposes on Attachment No 10.

 

It should be noted that the above committee resolution refers to the
adoption of the roads and footways on the estate.  It makes no mention of
the adoption of any grass verges nor the trees planted on these verges.

 

This office provides information on the extent of highway maintainable at
public expense based on the documentary evidence to support that claim and
even searching through the committee minutes of Potters Bar UDC post the
adoption date for the roads and footways has found no reference to the
possible dedication/adoption of the grass verges (and trees) on the
estate.  Therefore, on this basis, and in the absence of any documentary
evidence to the contrary, these areas of grass verges (and associated
trees) do not form part of the highway maintainable at public expense. 
These areas of land are shown coloured pink on Attachment No 11 

 

I would also mention that from previous investigations, the Borough of
Edmonton also built housing developments within the Cheshunt and Waltham
Cross areas in the 1950's.  With reference to the associated committee
resolutions, it was resolved that the grass verges on these housing
estates would not be adopted and consequently responsibility for the
maintenance of these grass verges would remain with Edmonton Borough
Council (now the London Borough of Enfield).  (Attachment Nos 12 and 13)

 

From my investigations, it would appear that Potters Bar UDC adopted the
same approach in respect of this Edmonton Borough Council housing
development within their district.

 

It is also evident from the 1968 Ordnance Survey map that the public has
gained uninterrupted pedestrian access over the length of footway situated
on the southern side of Mutton Lane shown coloured yellow (hatched black)
on the plan for many years.  In this instance, sufficient time seems to
have passed for dedication to be presumed.  The Highways Act 1980 have
presumed dedication after twenty years and the courts have presumed
dedication after periods as short as seven years.

 

In conclusion, it is considered that the areas of land shown coloured
yellow; yellow (hatched black; and light green on Attachment No 14 are
considered to be highway maintainable at public expense and in this
respect should be maintained by Hertfordshire County Council, as highway
authority.  The areas of land shown coloured pink on the plan are not
considered to be highway maintainable at public expense and in this
respect should be maintained by the London Borough of Enfield as land
owner.

 

If you are unhappy with the way the County Council has handled your
request for information you may request an internal review of the request.
This will be carried out by a member of the County Council Legal Services
Team, who has had no prior involvement with the request. Requests for an
internal review should be sent to the Information Governance Unit at the
address above.

 

If you are unhappy with the outcome of the internal review you are
entitled to ask the Information Commissioner to investigate your
complaint. You should write to: FOI/EIR Complaints Resolution, Information
Commissioner's Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9
5AF.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Elaine Dunnicliffe

 

 

Information Access Manager

Information Governance Unit

Hertfordshire County Council

Postal Point CHN 305

County Hall,

Hertford, SG13 8DQ

Telephone: 01992 555848

Email: [email address]

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Dear Information Governance,
Yes the internal review still required, further to the outstanding FOI requests, and subsequent chasing.
I am still awaiting this information within the WhatDoYouKnow FOI system.

I have received no relevant response as to my official request dated 1st April 2013. Being that Enfield Homes on the behalf of Enfield Council have encroached your land, for the very first time, commencing within the year 2012. The information as requested as to the presence of Enfield Homes, contracting Enfield expenditure within your boundaries.
Enfield Homes only funding one service being tree maintenance. on land still today being fully maintained by Hertfordshire Highways, including tree maintenance in apparent duplication. This despite Hertfordshire who have always provided all road traffic services, including speed cameras, grass cutting, surrounding parking zones, bollard fitting, road and verge cleaning, and repair, traffic signs to both sides surrounding and within the encroached land. Also all Utility companies work being legally mandated by Hertfordshire not Enfield.

Hertfordshire must have data and documentation relating to this recent only presence of another councils representative, performing concurrent financed tree maintenance work, within the otherwise always known Hertfordshire land. This within a fully serviced area fully controlled by Hertfordshire.

I request all information pertaining to today’s current land registration legality, and all communications between Hertfordshire highways and Enfield Homes, within the period 2012/13. This being applicable to the initial apparent encroachment, of the land already financed with full services, already being provided fully by Hertfordshire Council.

All of which all services are still being provided and continued by Hertfordshire today.?

Please provide 2013 information response, 1954 minutes have no relevance to my request.

Yours sincerely,

D.Rodwell

Information Governance, Hertfordshire County Council

11 Atodiad

Dear Mr. Rodwell,
Thank you for your email. I am happy to send all of the attachments to what do they know in addition to providing them to you already. Attached to this email are attachments 1-9 a second email will follow with the remaining attachments.

Please note that Enfield are not encroaching on County Council Land, and we have gone to considerable lengths to show you this in the attached documents.
Because of this Hertfordshire County Council do not hold any of the other documentation you are requesting.

Yours sincerely,

Elaine Dunnicliffe

Information Access Manager
Information Governance Unit
Hertfordshire County Council
Postal Point CHN 305
County Hall,
Hertford, SG13 8DQ
Telephone: 01992 555848
Email: [email address]
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Information Governance, Hertfordshire County Council

5 Atodiad

Dear Mr. Rodwell,

Please find attached to this email the remaining documents.

 

 Please note that Enfield are not encroaching on County Council Land, and
we have gone to considerable lengths to show you this in the attached
documents.

Because of this Hertfordshire County Council do not hold any of the other
documentation you are requesting.

 

 The internal review will be conducted by one of our solicitors who has
had no previous involvement in this matter. We aim to provide a response
by 25th May 2013.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Elaine Dunnicliffe

 

Information Access Manager

Information Governance Unit

Hertfordshire County Council

Postal Point CHN 305

County Hall,

Hertford, SG13 8DQ

Telephone: 01992 555848

Email: [email address]

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Information Governance, Hertfordshire County Council

1 Atodiad

Dear Mr. Rodwell,

 Please find attached the internal review in to your request for
information.

 

If you have any queries about this request please contact me.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Elaine Dunnicliffe

 

 

Information Access Manager

Information Governance Unit

Hertfordshire County Council

Postal Point CHN 305

County Hall,

Hertford, SG13 8DQ

Telephone: 01992 555848

Email: [email address]

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Information Governance, Hertfordshire County Council

Dear Mr. Rodwell,

Your request for us to send all of your email to the What do they know
email address has been passed to me.

 

You have chosen to communicate with the County Council using a variety of
email addresses, we have responded to the email address given on each
piece of correspondence as it arrives, this is a reasonable approach, it
would be irresponsible of us to send correspondence to a public website if
you had not written to us from that website.

 

 I am sorry but we do not have the resources to go back through your
correspondence and forward everything to one email address, nor are we
required to under the legislation. If you wish everything to be held on
the what do they know website, I suggest you discuss this with the website
proprietors and forward it yourself.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Elaine Dunnicliffe

 

Information Access Manager

Information Governance Unit

Hertfordshire County Council

Postal Point CHN 305

County Hall,

Hertford, SG13 8DQ

Telephone: 01992 555848

Email: [email address]

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Gadawodd D.Rodwell anodiad ()

Hertfordshire Council have failed to address my requests in a proper and correct way.
I have had only ancient un-supported documentation provided. Hertfordshire have been delaying any attempts to clarify the request (for months).
Advising that meetings have been ongoing for over 10 months?
Only partly only using this site, delaying any positive outcome with irrevelant information.
With no evidence of todays situation being provided, as initially requested.
The request remains outstanding.

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