Driving license

:Paul-brian. made this Rhyddid Gwybodaeth request to Asiantaeth Trwyddedu Gyrwyr a Cherbydau

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Asiantaeth Trwyddedu Gyrwyr a Cherbydau Nid oedd gan y wybodaeth y gofynnwyd amdani.

Dear Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency,

Would you please provide information on the design of the driving license. I would like to know the 'Menu of Styles' used. Is it the 'Oxford Menu of Styles' of some other menu used?

Yours faithfully,

Paul-brian

FOI, Asiantaeth Trwyddedu Gyrwyr a Cherbydau

Dear Mr Paul-brain

Before we can proceed with your request for information can you clarify exactly what you mean when you say 'menu of styles' as this is not a phrase we are familiar with.

Regards

Ian Davies
Freedom of Information Team, Data Sharing & Protection Group | Strategy, Policy & Communications Directorate| C2 - West | DVLA | Swansea | SA6 7JL
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Hi Ian,

So sorry it was a typo I meant 'Manual of Styles' the reason for the request is

What is the reason for the DVLA choosing not to use English on the Driving License? I'm requesting information on the Manual of Styles used, because if it's the Oxford or Chicago Manual of Styles then the Language used is either Dog Latin, or Debased Latin or Glossa not English.

Yours sincerely,

:Paul-brian.

FOI, Asiantaeth Trwyddedu Gyrwyr a Cherbydau

Dear Mr Paul-brian

Thank you for your e-mail requesting information. The DVLA are dealing with your request under the terms of The Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Your request has been given reference number: FOIR8039.

You should expect to receive a reply to your request by 27 November.

If you have any further questions or enquiries on this request please quote the reference number.

Regards

Debbie Leaker
Freedom Of Information
Strategy, Policy & Communications Directorate | C2W | DVLA | Swansea | SA6 7JL
Twitter: @dvlagovuk

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FOI, Asiantaeth Trwyddedu Gyrwyr a Cherbydau

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Dear Mr Paul-brian

 

Please see the attached reply to your Freedom Of Information request,
FOIR8039.

 

Regards

 

Terry Price

Freedom of Information

Strategy, Policy and Communications Directorate | C2/W  | DVLA  | Swansea
| SA6 7JL

Twitter: [1]@dvlagovuk

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Correspondents should note that all communications to DVLA may be
automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for lawful purposes.

Please visit [6]www.gov.uk/browse/driving for government information on
all aspects of motoring, ranging from log books and driving licences to
driving tests and vehicle tax.
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Dear Mr Price.

Thank you for the link to Directive 2006/126/EC Of The European Parliament and of the Council on driving licences (Recast) having read through it I see

ANNEX 1 s3 (a) the words "Driving Licence' printed in large type in the language or Languages of Member State issuing the licence.

The language used on the UK driving licence is NOT English. under FOI request please can you tell me who decided and when it was decided not to use English and what language is used. What Manual of Styles was used as reference?

Kind regards

Paul-brian.

FOI, Asiantaeth Trwyddedu Gyrwyr a Cherbydau

Dear Paul-brian

 

Thank you for your email – our response is below.

 

• “Driving Licences” is used in the current governing European directive
(2006/126/EC), and also in the directive it replaced (1991/439/EC) and the
one before that (80/1263/EEC).  It is worth noting that the directives are
in a number of languages -  the Italian version has “patenta di guida”
which is translated on online translation tools as “driving licences”,
whereas  the French “permis de conduire” translates as “driver’s licence”.

• The wording in British legislation was “driving licence” at least since
the Road Traffic Act of 1960,  some 20 years before the first European
directive (1980) was published.

 

Information on what Manual Of Styles was used when determining the
terminology to be printed on the licence is not held by the DVLA.

 

Regards

 

Terry Price

Freedom of Information

Strategy, Policy and Communications Directorate | C2/W  | DVLA  | Swansea
| SA6 7JL

Twitter: @dvlagovuk

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Dear Terry,

I think you're not understanding, 'Driving Licence' is English 'DRIVING LICENSE' is not English. All Caps is not English. The address is also in all caps which is also not English. That is why it's important to know what Manual of Styles was used as reference. Someone decide to use a language other that English on the driving license. Under freedom of information I would like to know who and when was it decided not to use English on the driving license.

I have another question. My signature is on the driving license but I have never signed the driving license. How is this possible?

Yours sincerely,

:Paul-brian.

FOI, Asiantaeth Trwyddedu Gyrwyr a Cherbydau

Dear Mr Paul-brian

 

Thank you for your email. My responses are below:

 

Question 1 - The DVLA does not hold the information you are requesting. I
can only reiterate that the term "Driving Licence" is used in accordance
with the current governing European directive (2006/126/EC).

 

Question 2 - This is not a request for recorded information and therefore
is outside the scope of the Freedom Of Information Act. The
"whatdotheyknow" website is intended to be a means for requesting recorded
information from a public body and not a means for asking routine
questions.

 

You may wish to redirect your question using the "contact DVLA" link
below.

 

[1]https://www.gov.uk/contact-the-dvla

 

Regards

 

Terry Price

Freedom of Information

Strategy, Policy and Communications Directorate | C2/W  | DVLA  | Swansea
| SA6 7JL

Twitter: @dvlagovuk

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Dear Terry,

Your reply is not correct, my request is within the scope of FOI act. In particular item s7 Item 15

The right to recorded information and requests for documents
Freedom of Information Act Environmental Information Regulations
Section 7
Defining ‘recorded information’
13. A request for a copy of a document is a valid request for all of the ‘recorded information’ in that document.
14. ‘Recorded information’ can be defined as any feature or characteristic of a document that imparts information or knowledge to the viewer.
15. This means that the term ‘recorded information’ doesn’t just apply to the text; it covers any component of the document
that conveys information, for example:
 Design and layout: this can reveal something about the nature of the document. For example, whether it is recorded in the form of a report, spreadsheet or letter.

Yours sincerely,

:Paul-brian.

Dear Terry,

I am still awaiting a reply.

Yours sincerely,

:Paul-brian.

Dear Terry,

Eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation

Your reply: Question 1 - The DVLA does not hold the information you are requesting. I
can only reiterate that the term "Driving Licence" is used in accordance
with the current governing European directive (2006/126/EC).

My reply: 'Driving License' is not on UK Driving Licenses, 'DRIVING LICENSE' is. The DVLA are using a language other than English 'DRIVING LICENSE is not English.

Using All Caps on UK driving Licenses is NOT in accordance with the current governing European directive (2006126/EC

'DRIVING LICENSE' is not English, according to the Oxford Manual of Styles, Chicago Manual of Styles, (referenced by the BAR) or Government Styles Manual, https://www.gov.uk/guidance/style-guide/...

Under FOI.

1. What foreign language has been adopted and now used by the DVLA on UK Driving Licenses?

Yours sincerely,

:Paul-brian.

FOI, Asiantaeth Trwyddedu Gyrwyr a Cherbydau

Dear Mr Paul-brian

Thank you for your e-mail requesting information. The DVLA are dealing with your request under the terms of The Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Your request has been given reference number: FOIR8121.

You should expect to receive a reply to your request by 14 January.

If you have any further questions or enquiries on this request please quote the reference number.

Regards

Debbie Leaker
Freedom Of Information
Strategy, Policy & Communications Directorate | C2W | DVLA | Swansea | SA6 7JL
Twitter: @dvlagovuk

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dangos adrannau a ddyfynnir

FOI, Asiantaeth Trwyddedu Gyrwyr a Cherbydau

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Please see the attached reply to your Freedom Of Information request,
FOIR8121.

 

Regards

 

Terry Price

Freedom of Information

Strategy, Policy and Communications Directorate | C2/W  | DVLA  | Swansea
| SA6 7JL

Twitter: [1]@dvlagovuk

 

[2]cid:image001.png@01CFCB6E.B7248A20

 

We can always spot an untaxed car. Tax it or lose it.

Go to [3]www.gov.uk/vehicletax

Twitter: [4]@dvlagovuk  |  Facebook: [5]dvlagovuk  |  YouTube: dvlagov

 

************************************************************************************
Correspondents should note that all communications to DVLA may be
automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for lawful purposes.

Please visit [6]www.gov.uk/browse/driving for government information on
all aspects of motoring, ranging from log books and driving licences to
driving tests and vehicle tax.
************************************************************************************

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6. http://www.gov.uk/browse/driving

Dear Mr Toft,

You have taken a long time to simply refuse to answer a question you have a legal duty to answer. It is almost comical to see the DVLA who are responsible for issuing millions of licenses, floundering on such a simple question as what language they are using on UK driving licenses. I'm beginning to believe that no one at the DVLA has even read or understands the Directive 2006/126/EC Of The European Parliament and of the Council on driving licences, and neither do you or anyone at the DVLA know what is and is not English.

To remind you Mr Toft and for those that will read this FOI request:
Directive 2006/126/EC Of The European Parliament and of the Council on driving licences.
ANNEX 1 s3 (a) the words "Driving Licence' printed in large type in the language or Languages of Member State issuing the licence.

Mr Toft, for the honour and integrity of the DVLA, I shall ask you again:

1. Have you or anyone at the DVLA read and understand the Directive 2006/126/EC Of The European Parliament and of the Council on driving licences?
2. Do you as Head of Data Protection Policy & Freedom of Information Team or anyone at the DVLA understand the importance of not using a foreign language on documents such as the UK Driving license?
2. Do you believe that the DVLA, are and have been following the Directive 2006/126/EC Of The European Parliament and of the Council on driving licences?
3. The EU directive states 'printed in large type in the language or Languages of Member State' The DVLA has chosen not to use English, even though the directive used English as an example 'Driving License' in ANNEX 1 s3(a) so the DVLA are using another language as in the directive 'language or languages' what other language has the DVLA choosen to use?
4. Or do the DVLA consider All Caps to be English?

Yours sincerely,

:Paul-brian.

FOI, Asiantaeth Trwyddedu Gyrwyr a Cherbydau

Dear Mr Paul-brian

Thank you for your request for an Internal Review in response to your original FOI request FOIR8121.
You should expect to receive a response by 10 February.
Any enquiries regarding your request please quote FOIR8121-IR.

Regards

Debbie Leaker
Freedom Of Information
Strategy, Policy & Communications Directorate | C2W | DVLA | Swansea | SA6 7JL
Twitter: @dvlagovuk

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Dear Debbie Leaker

NOTICE:
I DID NOT REQUEST AN INTERNAL REVIEW... FREEDOM OF INFORMATION FOIR8121

AMEND, THIS IS INCORRECT

Yours sincerely,

:Paul-brian.