Do we Have a Bond created on our Birth Certificate at Birth
Dear General Register Office, @ Selwyn Hughes
FOI request:I am hoping that you can clarify some information that I have come across
1) When a live birth is recorded in the registrars books, is a bond then created to that certificate that represents an account for the use of that child on reaching adulthood?
2) If so who is the recipient of the bond that acts as the fiduciary representative for the child who's birth event was recorded?
3) If so Why wasnt the child informed about this bond created for them at birth when they reached adulthood?
Yours faithfully,
Amanda-Jane: Phillips
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Dear Amanda-Jane: Phillips,
Thank you for your recent e-mail (below). Please allow me to respond on behalf of my colleague, Selwyn Hughes.
To explain, a birth registration is simply a record of a birth that has taken place. It is a “snapshot” of information given to the registrar – usually by the mother – which is then signed by the informant (usually the mother) and the registrar. The entry in the register remains in the register office as a permanent record. Copies can then be purchased, either from the register office or from GRO.
A birth is registered primarily as a protection for the baby who has been born. It formally records their existence, noting the date and place of birth. It shows the mother’s details, and the name in which it is intended (by the person giving information to the registrar) that the baby be brought up in. This helps to establish an identity, and can be used in the future to support evidence of age (eg entitlement to a passport or pension), and for the mother in supporting claims for eg child benefit. Registration of all births also helps central and local planning (eg likely demand for maternity or school services).
The registration is not “owned” in and of itself; the register is held by law (Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953) with the Superintendent Registrar of the district where the birth was registered. But the data in the entry is not “owned”. The birth registration does not therefore create a Government bond or asset that would be then be the property of each person registered - it is simply a record of an event.
I hope this information is helpful to you.
Kind regards,
Barry Whittaker
Corrections Manager
Casework Team | Civil Registration
Her Majesty's Passport Office, General Register Office
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Dear GRO Casework,
Thank you for getting back to me Barry
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The Documentation I have actually proves you do have a bond attached to each birth certificate so Im afraid Im going to have to disagree with you as I have proof of claim.
How can I get the proof on here for you to see and prove I am telling the truth?.
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Yours sincerely,
Amanda-Jane
Dear GRO Casework,
Just wondering how long it takes for a simple request to be replied to.
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I have the proof and you dont want to see it! that doesnt make any sense.
Yours sincerely,
Amanda-Jane
Dear Amanda-Jane: Phillips,
The advice I provided to you in my initial e-mail (below) still stands. I am sorry we are unable to help you any further.
Kind regards,
Barry Whittaker
Corrections Manager
Casework Team | Civil Registration
Her Majesty's Passport Office, General Register Office
Room D2.09 | Smedley Hydro | Trafalgar Road | Southport | PR8 2HH
T: 0300 123 1837 | Text Relay Prefix 18001
E: [email address]
www.gov.uk
Dear GRO Casework,
Dear Barry ...
I asked you how to put the documents on here to prove we have bonds against our birth certificate...so by repeating yourself is not actually answering the question...[extraneous material removed]
So I will ask again Barry How do I put the evidence.. my proof of claim on here for all to see[extraneous material removed]
My reply is way overdue.
Namaste !
Yours sincerely,
Amanda-Jane
Dear General Register Office,
Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.
I am writing to request an internal review of General Register Office's handling of my FOI request 'Do we Have a Bond created on our Birth Certificate at Birth'.
I have 100% proof we have bonds against our birth certificates and your afraid the truth will be public.
I wanted to know how to put my evidence on here and someone doesn't want the truth out otherwise there wouldn't be a problem.
A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/d...
Yours faithfully,
Amanda-Jane
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Dear Amanda-Jane,
Thank you for your enquiry.
I have handled your request as official correspondence rather than under
the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act, but this has made no
difference to the content of my response.
In your e-mail you ask for an internal review of the General Register
Office's handling of the FOI request you submitted on the 28^th May 2017.
I can confirm the information you have been provided is correct.
The registration is not “owned” in and of itself; the register is held by
law (Births and Deaths Registration Act 1953) with the Superintendent
Registrar of the district where the birth was registered. But the data in
the entry is not “owned”. The birth registration does not therefore create
a Government bond or asset that would be then be the property of each
person registered - it is simply a record of an event.
I am sorry we are unable to help you any further.
Kind regards
Alex
Alex Gaskill
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Dear GRO First Point of Contact,
Dear Alex,
I am going to have to disagree with you as I have 100% proof that we do have bonds created on the registration of our birth.
I ASKED HOW TO PUT THE PROOF ON HERE TO PROVE WE DO HAVE BONDS, [extraneous material removed]
1) You have a short and a long more detailed birth certificate each has a different number.
2) Each number is attached to 8 bonds a total of 16 bonds.
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Yours sincerely,
Amanda-Jane
Dear Amanda-Jane
Thank you for your enquiry.
I have handled your request as official correspondence rather than under
the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act, but this has made no
difference to the content of my response.
As previously advised a birth registration does not create a Government
bond or asset that would be then be the property of each person
registered, it is simply a record of an event.
Please note the number on the certificate is a serial number, it does not
relate to any bond.
We are unable to assist any further with your enquiry.
Kind regards
Alex
Alex Gaskill
CCU Email Team Manager
Her Majesty's Passport Office, General Register Office
I Smedley Hydro I Trafalgar Road I Southport I PR8 2HH
T:+44(0)300 123 1837 | Text Relay Prefix 18001
E: [email address]
Gadawodd Amanda-Jane anodiad ()
@APM
I suggest you look at my heading of my FOI"Do we have a bond created on our birth certificate"
I have to disagree with you ,I have 100% proof we have bonds against our birth certificates and that was what my request was about and when you register a birth it goes into the register where the number comes from and your parents get a copy of the Birth Certificate.
funnily enough they don't want me to put the proof on here as it would shut a lot of people up especially when its in black and white and not going away, and neither am I until I prove my claim.
Dear General Register Office,
Please pass this on to the person who conducts Freedom of Information reviews.
I am writing to request an internal review of General Register Office's handling of my FOI request 'Do we Have a Bond created on our Birth Certificate at Birth'.
This FOI is way overdue and you have an obligation to reply, you say there are no bonds attached to the birth certificates and I rebut your claims with my proof of claim which you are avoiding, either because you know what Im saying is true or you dont want to be proved wrong, I can back up my claim with evidence what can you back your denial up with!!.
I have even tried to meet you halfway by stating I would send you a pdf of the evidence, there is no smoke without fire and what I have is an inferno of proof.
If you claim there are no bonds then let me prove you wrong.
What are you afraid of ...The truth.
A full history of my FOI request and all correspondence is available on the Internet at this address: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/d...
Yours faithfully,
Amanda-Jane
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appropriate department listed below:
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ordered from the General Registrar’s Office, please complete the
certificate service order enquiries form.
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Gadawodd Becky Bbear anodiad ()
Amanda-Jane...
It seems from the way your request is structured that there may be a little confusion.
The UK Government, through National Savings and Investments, created Child Trust Funds and Children's Bonds as a tax and capital gains free form of saving for children. These were not however linked to a child's Birth Certificate, which was used only as evidence of age and therefore qualification (being under 18 years of age) to take part in the savings scheme.
These Trust Funds and Bonds were discontinued in 2017 when the savings Scheme closed to new applicants, only existing under 18 savers are able to continue depositing into their accounts and gain interest on the amount saved.
Here are links to the full details on the Gov.UK and NS&I websites -
(i) https://www.gov.uk/child-trust-funds.
(ii) https://www.nsandi.com/childrens-bonds.
I would very be interested in seeing the proof you say you have that shows anything different to the above. I'll message you through WDTK to take up your offer.
Otherwise, if you want to post the proof you have on this site then just create a free website of your own, post the evidence and add an annotation here leading to that site. Free website design packages are easy to use and easy to find on the internet.
Becky
Gadawodd michael john anodiad ()
😂😂becky on damage controll as per..
How much do they pay you becky??
Gadawodd michael john anodiad ()
the registration of the birth is not the bond" , yes that is the correct informationfrom the GRO, But its not all the information as i believe Amanda was referring to the certificate and Not the registration, the birth certificate its self is proof of the Bond and the GRO/Treasury know it however they are bound by the OFFICAL secrets act and therefore can not divulge the truth even if they wanted to .
They know we know and we can now provide the evidence of their Deception, slavery is illegal however voluntary slavery is not ,, THEIR interpretation of voluntary normally involves a £ 1000 fine or a threat of some kind i.e you could be guilty of an offence if you don’t do as we ask .
Namaste Amanda felow (wo) man ,,,, SHAME ON YOU BECKY i must say your picture is very apt.
Truth only fears concealment .
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Gadawodd APM anodiad ()
Unfortunately you are confusing the birth register entry (which has no serial number) with a birth certificate (which does).
But as anyone can buy as many copies of any birth certificate they like ( their own or any other person), and at any time, the whole suggestion of it having any sort of bond attached becomes rather irrelevant and tends to fall apart as a theory.