Democratising the City of London

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Dear Cabinet Office,

"Several governments have tried to democratise the City of London but all, threatened by its financial might, have failed."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...

Please provide

- Names of the Governments who have tried doing this.
- What steps the Governments have taken to try & achieve it
- Any & all documents, letters, menos, emails etc

Also if you are not the right dept please advise who the right dept is.

Yours faithfully,

Anastasia

Cabinet Office

Dear Anastasia

Thank you for your recent email. Please note that we require a full, legitimate name before we can proceed with any FOI request.
If you wish to continue your inquiry, please submit the above information.

Many thanks

FOI Team
Cabinet Office
Room 1.35
Admiralty Arch
SW1A 2AS
E: [Cabinet Office request email]

dangos adrannau a ddyfynnir

Dear Cabinet Office,

I have requested information from the Cabinet Office before and there has not been an issue with just 'Anastasia' as the name, why is there an issue now?

Yours faithfully,

Anastasia

Cabinet Office

Dear Anastasia

This is current policy.

Many thanks

FOI Team

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Dear Cabinet Office,

Please just provide the information I have requested

Yours faithfully,

Anastasia

Gadawodd Becky Bbear anodiad ()

Anastasia - In the context of the article you refer to, it seems as though the reference is to 'democratising' legislation such as the Financial Services Act, intended to increase government requlation over the 'City of London' as a financial centre - rather than as an actual geographic location or administrative authority within national government.

Assuming this to be the case, then just about every UK Government between the 1700's (the South Sea Bubble) and the present day (the Great Banking Bailout) has passed related legislation regulating Banks, Insurance Brokers and other type of financial institution operating out of the City.

Realistically, there is no prospect of that vast amount of information being released in response to an FOIA request - more likely a requester would simply be directed to the British Library or the National Archives collections, where the information is already publicly available.

On a separate note,the apparent change of 'names' policy by the Cabinet Office may be connected with a more general trend by authorities to reduce the volume of requests that are within the 'spirit' of FOIA as it stands, but are either general questions asking for reasons/explainations or are just plain 'because I can' requests - such as 'how many red pens did x authority order between 2000 and 2010'.

My understanding is that at present a number of authorities may be considering similar 'policy' changes in the way they classify and respond to FOI requests falling into those categories.

Whether this is an indication of a possible wider change in current FOI legislation is yet to be determined - but it's certainly a possibility.

Something to think about for the 'serious' users of the current legislation.

Of course you could just tell them your surname is Romanov!

Becky

Gadawodd Anastasia anodiad ()

Thank you Becky, I guess in that case I'll withdraw this then.

Gadawodd Becky Bbear anodiad ()

Anastasia - That would be your choice, but before you make a final decision check out the request I have just submitted to the ICO on the subject.

Given the wider implications of such possible changes we decided it was best to open up the debate now, rather than risk them being 'slipped' through as revised guidance or internal handling policies within the various authorities.

My take on your request is that it could simply be 'tuned' slightly, to avoid getting caught by any such internal handling changes.

Becky

Gadawodd Anastasia anodiad ()

Ok thanks Becky Bbear

How should I tweek the request to make it a bit better?

Gadawodd Becky Bbear anodiad ()

Anastasia - Seriously?

Well, I suppose you could try asking for a list of all recorded information held by the authority relating to legislation effecting the regulation/control of financial institutions within the City of London, if possible cross-referenced to indicate the Government in office at the time of their introduction/coming into force.

Assuming the response doesn't just refer you to the National Archives/British Library, that would give you a starting point to collate the information - and make one or more refined follow up requests, focusing on recorded information relating to particular Governments of the day or particular legislation.

Either way, going to be a major job (for both you and the authority) collating and identifying which legislation was intended to 'democratise' the City's practices, rather than simply regulating them in some way.

Would help if you could give a clear picture of exactly what information you want, in terms of what recorded information the authority is likely to hold.

If your looking for something other than a list of legislation/dates, you will need to make clear what that information is.

My point is, in its current form your request could be read as asking for the authority to interpret which information fell within the description of 'democratising' in the context of the linked newspaper article. That's outside the scope of FOIA and that's the part that really needs to be 'tweeked' to bring it inside.

Asking for reasons/intentions why particular legislation was introduced isn't itself subject to FOIA.

The names issue looks like it could be resolved just by providing a full name - but Romanov is probably not going to be a great choice, so ignore my pretty lame attempt at humor.

Hope this gives you some ideas.

Becky

Gadawodd Anastasia anodiad ()

Ok thanks in the help Becky

Gadawodd Anastasia anodiad ()

In fact, am going to withdraw this & speak to the article writer first.

Dear Cabinet Office,

I am withdrawing this request, as I need to speak to the article writer first.

Yours faithfully,

Anastasia

Gadawodd Becky Bbear anodiad ()

Anastasia - If you decide to pick this up again feel free to email me with your ideas. I'll be happy to offer suggestions where I can before you re-submit.

Sscarebbear@aol.com

Becky