Bedroom Tax

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Dear Department for Work and Pensions,
The "Under Occupancy Benefit Reduction"(Bedroom Tax) comes into effect in April 2013.

1) Could you please supply me with a Cost Benefit Analysis of the new measure?

2) Could you please supply me with an Inpact Assesment of the new measure?

3) How many households will be effected by the new measure?

4) How many individual adults(over 18)will be effected by the new measure?

5)How many children (under 18) will be effected by the new measure?

When I say effected I mean that they will potentially have to downsize to a smaller property.

6)How many houses does Ian Duncan Smith MP own?

7) How many bedrooms does each of Ian Duncan Smith MP properties' contain(individually)? I am assuming that he has more than one property.

8) Is Ian Duncan Smith MP's salary paid by the taxpayers of this country?

I look forward to hearing from you. Thank You.

Yours faithfully, S.Rotheram

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Dear Department for Work and Pensions,
Should read "Impact Assesment".

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S. Rotheram

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Gadawodd B. Adams anodiad ()

S.R. Have you seen the possible loophole in the bedroom tax... Advice agencies say tenants might be able to get around the tax because the law is unclear about what is classed as a bedroom... Re. The definition of a bedroom,.. the only guidance uncovered was in the Rent Officer Handbook produced by HM Revenue & Customs, which "makes the important point that actual use by an actual household is usually critical".... It would be "going wrong in law" if a local authority determined every room that could possibly be slept in was classified as a bedroom, whatever its characteristics or use. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...p...

Gadawodd S. Rotheram anodiad ()

B.A. Thank you for the information.

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<<VTR983 13.03.27.doc>>

Housing Delivery Division | Contracted Customer Services Directorate |
Department for Work and Pensions Operations | Caxton House, Tothill
Street, London SW1H 9NA

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Gadawodd S. Rotheram anodiad ()

Hello. It is going to take me some time to read through what the DWP have sent me. There is one thing that I find strange though ; it is that the DWP do not hold information as to whether Iain Duncan Smith has his salary paid by the taxpayers of this country. As he is Secretary of State at the DWP, I would have thought the answer was an obvious YES. It just goes to show how difficult it is for the DWP to give a straight answer.
I welcome any annotations on the content that the DWP have sent me. If you wish to do so could you please keep within the rules of this marvellous website. Thanks.

Gadawodd Purple-chelle anodiad ()

If you want to find ot about Ministers and MP's pay you would need to send that part of your request to the Houses of parliament (www.parliament.uk).
On a slightly different note, it's actually best practice for them to forward on FOI's to other departments if they know who should respond to it; or get the other department to provide the required information for the response.
(Sorry for the ramble I use to work in oe of the departments)

Gadawodd S. Rotheram anodiad ()

Purple Chelle. Thanks. My reqest was not how much. It was IF he Iain Duncan Smith M.P. draws his salary from the tax payer of our country. The DWP could not even confirm that. He is Secretary of State for the DWP. It is not rocket science for them to confirm it. You did not ramble. I am really happy that you took the time to give some feedback. Thank you.

Gadawodd S. Rotheram anodiad ()

Purple Chelle. P.S. I take your point.

Gadawodd Mark Goodge anodiad ()

They wouldn't be able to confirm something like that, even if it seems obvious, because in some cases it might actually not be obvious and getting it wrong could be embarrassing at best and severely misleading at worst.

It is not unknown, for example, for ministers to decline to draw their ministerial salary. So, even if there's no reason to believe that IDS is one of them, the question can't be answered for certain without looking it up. And the department answering the request doesn't have access to payroll records, so can't look it up. You really would need to ask the relevant authority for that information.

The information about IDS's own properties wouldn't be provided anyway, as that's personal data and excluded from the remit of FOI.

Gadawodd J Roberts anodiad ()

It is reported in the Mirror that: "The man behind the controversial bedroom tax lives rent-free in a £2million aristocratic country house… with at least FOUR spare bedrooms."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bed...

Gadawodd S. Rotheram anodiad ()

Hello, Here my initial findings on the Under Occupation Penalty, " Bedroom Tax".
"The Bedroom Tax" will effect 660,0000 (approx) households.
50,000 of of these housholds contain people over 60 years old. There are no figures for single occupancy over 60 or couples of mixed age (one over one under 60). Therefore the number of individual people effected in this group could be anywhere between 50,000 and 100,000. This is not counting the children, grandchildren or children in the guardianship of these people.
There are going to be 70,000 couples (under 60) with children effected. That is 140,000 people. Even on the basis of one child per couple that is 70,000 children.
There will be 150,000 lone parents (under 60) effected. This means that there will be at least 150,000 (but in reality many more) of our children effected.
There will be 80,000 couples without children (under 60) effected. This is 160,000 people.
There will be 320,000 single people (under 60) a percentage who may need a spare room for and if they have their child/children visiting or staying with them.
Here are the sums.
This will effect at a conservative estimate 820,000 adults.
This will effect at a very conservative estimate 220,000 children.
That is over ONE MILLION people.
These people are the poorest and most vulnerable in our society.
The government are not even sure if they are going to save any money doing this (Section 47 of doc).
They estimate a saving of between £10 milllion to £30 million per week (between 1/2 to 1 1/2 billion a year, approx.) on the Housing Benefit bill
I would like to point out that HB also subsidises low paid and or part time employed people.
This measure is from an unelected government that happily gives a 1 Billion pounds sterling a year to a failed Work Programme, is about to upgrade Trident (billions), happily gives milliomaires a tax cut, fails to stop tax avoiders draining billions in taxes from our country (Vodaphone an estimated 7 billion, allegedly) and wrings its hands when bankers award themselves £680 million in bonuses.
I suppose children, single parents, the poor, sick and disabled people are an easier target.
I will come back to the question of Iain Duncan Smith M.P.'s houses, later.
P.S. I would advise any interested parties to read the document that the DWP provided for me in amswer to this FoI request.

Gadawodd S. Rotheram anodiad ()

The government are expecting :-
"36. The research also suggested that around 35% of claimants would be quite or very likely to fall into arrears if their Housing Benefit were to be reduced."(Impact Assessment).
This is 231,000 households but well more than 231,000 people. Where are these people going to go too when they are evicted for rent arrears and thrown out of their homes? At what social cost? At what financial cost?

Gadawodd S. Rotheram anodiad ()

Hello. I was going to try to find out if Iain Duncan Smith had house in his constituency and maybe a flat in central London. I have been unable to find out although I must say that I have not looked too hard. Does anybody know?
On a secondary point I see that the Government has legislated for a subsidy for rich people to buy second homes. In effect it is O.K. for wealthy people to have a spare house but poor people cannot have a spare room.

Gadawodd S. Rotheram anodiad ()

Update. It appears that I have overestimated the "savings". "....the DWP admitted its own projection was way off: annualised savings in 2013 were likely to be £393m." Article can be found here http://www.theguardian.com/society/patri.... Thank you Guardian and Patrick Butler.

Gadawodd S. Rotheram anodiad ()

Update. Extract from a longer piece of writing :-
"IDS claimed in 2013 when the policy started in April that year that the bedroom tax would save £480 Million, that figure based on the assumption that nobody affected would move and all of them would pay the rent shortfall. 660,000 households were to be affected, and IDS based his projected savings on the assumption that they would not only all stay put but that none of them would be exempt.

By November 2013, it was obvious that the few people who could move were doing so and there were many more exemptions than he had calculated - so the projected savings were £160 Million less according to a research study but denied by IDS.

So within months, the planned savings were shown to be nonsense and the likelihood was that the £480M was going to be £320M for that year, less the DHP funding which was £190M - leaving a saving of £130M.
That was 2013 - since then, DWP has allocated even more cash to LAs( Local Authorities) for DHPs (Discretionary Housing Patments) and the total is now £345M since the policy came in.

These "savings", which may amount to £100M to £200M at best, make no allowances for the extra costs of higher rents (still being paid for by HB) in the private sector where those who have moved went to; nor does it make any allowances for the cost of evictions and temporary accommodation, finding new homes elsewhere for those rendered homeless - and it certainly hasn't factored in the costs of all the legal actions which are going on all over the country all the time.

Thank you Guardian and Ephermerid.